I understand now -- It's NOT a tax!

[Midnight Marauder]

PART 1--INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY
SEC. 401. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

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‘PART VIII--HEALTH CARE RELATED TAXES

‘subpart a. tax on individuals without acceptable health care coverage.

‘Subpart A--Tax on Individuals Without Acceptable Health Care Coverage

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‘SEC. 59B. TAX ON INDIVIDUALS WITHOUT ACCEPTABLE HEALTH CARE COVERAGE.

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‘(a) Tax Imposed- In the case of any individual who does not meet the requirements of subsection (d) at any time during the taxable year, there is hereby imposed a tax equal to 2.5 percent of the excess of-- ...

H.R.3200

Excise Tax. The consequence for not maintaining insurance would be an excise tax. If a taxpayer‘s MAGI is between 100-300 percent of FPL, the excise tax for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or an individual claimed as a dependent) is $750 per year. However, the maximum penalty for the taxpayer unit is $1,500. If a taxpayer‘s MAGI is above 300 percent of FPL the penalty for failing to obtain coverage for an individual in a taxpayer unit (either as a taxpayer or as an individual claimed as a dependent) is $950 year. However, the maximum penalty amount a family above 300 percent of FPL would pay is $3,800.

The excise tax would apply for any period for which the individual is not covered by a health insurance plan with the minimum required benefit but would be prorated for partial years of noncompliance. The excise tax would be assessed through the tax code and applied as an additional amount of Federal tax owed. No excise tax will be assessed for individuals not maintaining health insurance for a period less than or equal to three months in the tax year. However, assessed excise taxes for those not insured for more than three months include the entire duration the individual was uninsured during the tax year.

Baucus bill, page 32

Nope, it's not a tax.

But.... But..... But.....

OBAMA says it's NOT a tax! You just proved it IS a tax! He's LYING isn't he!

 

[Polk]

Using the logic applied in this thread, a parking ticket is a tax.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Using the logic applied in this thread, a parking ticket is a tax.

Read the text of the bill....and then get back to us genius.....

Here's a hint: See the word TAX? Good. Now look up that definition.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Using the logic applied in this thread, a parking ticket is a tax.

Where's that? Who said anything like that?

Did you bother to read the thread, where the part about the TAX is pasted, FROM BOTH bills currently in committee?

CONGRESS calls it a TAX, plain as day. Thus far, only Obama and his mindless, loyal kool-aid drinking and regurgitating minions aren't calling it a tax!

It's a TAX!

 

[Polk]

It's not a tax unless you consider a parking ticket a tax also.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

It's not a tax unless you consider a parking ticket a tax also.

Ridiculous. A parking ticket is a fine for violating a traffic law. It's administered on the local level, not federal. The IRS doesn't levy it. You have a right to fight it, plea it out, or just pay it. And there isn't a bill in existence that CALLS it a tax. Because it is not a tax.

BOTH the House bill AND Baucus' bill SAY this is a tax. Are you going to continue to just be dishonest, even with yourself? Is that the price for being a loyal Obamaphile?

 

[Midnight Marauder]

Not to mention the complete IDIOCY of the possibility of a YEAR in jail for those who don't comply! What jail? State? County? City? Federal? This proposal says, "Hey, if you don't help defray the costs of your health care by either buying the gubmint insurance, getting an approved private plan, or paying extra tax we're gonna levy, we might put you in jail for a year."

WHO PAYS FOR THAT? Joe Taxpayer! It costs $58,000 to house, feed, clothe and provide MEDICAL CARE per year per inmate! Who's picking up that tab?

"If you don't comply, we are going to give you a one year FREE vacation, provide all your housing, food, medical care, for a year. If you have a major medical condition while in our custody, we'll be spending hundreds of thousands to correct that for you as well. In this way, the government saves money and cuts the cost of health care for all."

C'MON NOW!

 

[Polk]

It's not a tax unless you consider a parking ticket a tax also.

Ridiculous. A parking ticket is a fine for violating a traffic law. It's administered on the local level, not federal. The IRS doesn't levy it. You have a right to fight it, plea it out, or just pay it. And there isn't a bill in existence that CALLS it a tax. Because it is not a tax.

BOTH the House bill AND Baucus' bill SAY this is a tax. Are you going to continue to just be dishonest, even with yourself? Is that the price for being a loyal Obamaphile?

The bill could refer to it as an ice cream and candy mountain, but that wouldn't make it that either.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

It's not a tax unless you consider a parking ticket a tax also.

Ridiculous. A parking ticket is a fine for violating a traffic law. It's administered on the local level, not federal. The IRS doesn't levy it. You have a right to fight it, plea it out, or just pay it. And there isn't a bill in existence that CALLS it a tax. Because it is not a tax.

BOTH the House bill AND Baucus' bill SAY this is a tax. Are you going to continue to just be dishonest, even with yourself? Is that the price for being a loyal Obamaphile?

The bill could refer to it as an ice cream and candy mountain, but that wouldn't make it that either.

Your dishonesty knows no bounds.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

Go to page 204 of the Baucus bill.......then after you re-enter reality.....let us know about the "Revenue Items" you find there and the term used to discuss it.

and yes...Obama lied right to the face of America on all of the Sunday morning talk shows a few days ago.....no tax increase my ass!!!

 

[Polk]

If you commit a crime and are fined for it, is that a tax?

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

A parking ticket is not forced upon you if you don't drive or haven't parked your car. It is on the state level. This proposal is on the federal level imposed upon everyone.

The feds have no right to do this in the first place per the Constitution.

How you can say there is no tax when the word tax is used over and over in the legislation, is amazing Polk.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

If you commit a crime and are fined for it, is that a tax?

That is not a tax. It doesn't show up on your tax bill, isn't administered by the IRS, and isn't mandated in a bill that CALLS it a tax.

Try to be honest, just a little. No one is going to buy Obama's argument on this. Even George didn't.

 

[PatekPhilippe]

It's not a tax unless you consider a parking ticket a tax also.

Ridiculous. A parking ticket is a fine for violating a traffic law. It's administered on the local level, not federal. The IRS doesn't levy it. You have a right to fight it, plea it out, or just pay it. And there isn't a bill in existence that CALLS it a tax. Because it is not a tax.

BOTH the House bill AND Baucus' bill SAY this is a tax. Are you going to continue to just be dishonest, even with yourself? Is that the price for being a loyal Obamaphile?

The bill could refer to it as an ice cream and candy mountain, but that wouldn't make it that either.

Libtard logic just escapes all rational, coherent thought processes.....it really must suck to be one of you nattering nabobs of negativism.

 

[Midnight Marauder]

A parking ticket is not forced upon you if you don't drive or haven't parked your car. It is on the state level. This proposal is on the federal level imposed upon everyone.

The feds have no right to do this in the first place per the Constitution.

How you can say there is no tax when the word tax is used over and over in the legislation, is amazing Polk.

James K. Polk, polkfan's hero, is spinning in his grave right now.

 

[alan1]

When they penalize us 15% of our income for not buying an approved health insurance policy, it's not a tax.

Although they will use the IRS to enforce this, and this penalty will show up on our tax bill, it's not a tax.

It's simply money the government takes from us, and keeps.

See? Not a tax! I get it!

Aren't you the fuckwit that spent last week trying to convince us that fees and penalties weren't taxes?

Oh, yeah!

It's classified as a penalty, if it even exists, because you can appeal a penalty but you cannot appeal a tax. In other words, if you can make your case the penalty will be waived.

Also, aren't you the fuckwit that wanted to tax the poor and spent another week trying to convince us that we should?

Oh, yeah!

Guess what, if you are talking about a 15% penalty at medicare rates, if you make $100,000 per year...and even paying the employee/employer portion of medicare...your "penalty" would be a whopping $435. EVEN at 10 times that it would be $4350...and for your "penalty" you'd easily recoup your losses from just one emergency room visit. A sweet little tax on the poor, fuckwit.

Have I called you a fuckwit lately? I must be slipping.

I'm the one that started the thread about taxing the poor, not Mr Midnight Marauder.
The politicians love people like you that don't pay attention and comprehend what is actually happening around them.
Now run off and be a good little proletariat.

 

[alan1]

Hey, he promised no taxes. You must all lie.

He promised no increase in taxes if you make less than $250k.
I guess every smoker in the country makes over $250k
Every person that opts out of health insurance will make $250k also.

The government should declare that only people that make a million dollars will get taxed more, then create a federal tax on the water that flows from your tap, that way we will be millionaires.

 

[Polk]

Hey, he promised no taxes. You must all lie.

He promised no increase in taxes if you make less than $250k.
I guess every smoker in the country makes over $250k
Every person that opts out of health insurance will make $250k also.

The government should declare that only people that make a million dollars will get taxed more, then create a federal tax on the water that flows from your tap, that way we will be millionaires.

You know the easy way to avoid taxes on tobacco? Don't smoke and don't dip.

 

[Si modo]

Hey, he promised no taxes. You must all lie.

He promised no increase in taxes if you make less than $250k.
I guess every smoker in the country makes over $250k
Every person that opts out of health insurance will make $250k also.

The government should declare that only people that make a million dollars will get taxed more, then create a federal tax on the water that flows from your tap, that way we will be millionaires.

You know the easy way to avoid taxes on tobacco? Don't smoke and don't dip.

We have ourselves a fan of social engineering.

 

[BasicGreatGuy]

Hey, he promised no taxes. You must all lie.

He promised no increase in taxes if you make less than $250k.
I guess every smoker in the country makes over $250k
Every person that opts out of health insurance will make $250k also.

The government should declare that only people that make a million dollars will get taxed more, then create a federal tax on the water that flows from your tap, that way we will be millionaires.

You know the easy way to avoid taxes on tobacco? Don't smoke and don't dip.

If this legislation goes through as shown, how do you avoid the tax penalty, if you don't believe the government has the right in the first place?