I think hillary will steps down as secretary of state...

[washamericom]

You sound silly when you pontificate, so I am not worried about it. The country is politically divided, but your belief group is very small not mainstream and will have little effect. Let's move on.

fine, clean up your quotes, we'll call it even

 

[MaggieMae]

What I meant was the shear size of the bureaucracy, number of registered lobbyists, Internet chatter 24/7 creating small or non-issues, the ridiculous bickering, all the while trying to maintain a modicum of polite leadership amid the constant concern for trying to deal with the crisis du jour together with ongoing crises. As we all know, it's all laid right at the President's doorstep, no matter who might be in power. Either that person must try to completely insulate him/herself from the insanity and let the handlers deal with each issue off to the side, or step right out into the middle of the arena and arm him/herself for the incoming onslaught. Every single day.

But you did forget to add the investigation of the Clinton Christmas Card list, which Republicans spent about 8 weeks on (more time than they spent investigating the Abu Ghraib incidents).

Abu Ghraib.. Yup.. Democrats sure proved how much they cared about the soldiers there.

Yes they did

They showed how much they respect soldiers who do not engage in torture, how they respect soldiers who were not involved but had their honor soiled by abusive soldiers

I'm beginning to think Lumpy's lost his marbles. He doesn't even try to make any sense anymore.

 

[MaggieMae]

Abu Graib, Glenn Beck was the only right wing radio host to condemn the brutality and illegal behavior there.

When will you freaks understand you don't mistreat prisoners of war?

Freaks.. which freaks?

I don't recall anyone being in favor of mistreating POW's...

you know. abu ghraib was the turning point in the decline of the beginning of the war and the piling on of the democrats to sellout their own president. a few misguided soldiers treated the iraqi combatants like the oregon cops treated rambo in first blood, and used it as a tool to beat bush instead of saddam. as it turns out.... they were right, no harm done.

I recall seeing some unedited film clips of soldiers and Marines shortly after Baghdad fell. Apparently the commanders at home and in the field neglected to tell these younguns that America was not "at war" with the Iraqi people, as some of those guys were hollering and screaming and throwing feces at Iraqis from their tank positions, all the while calling them fucking ragheads and that they intended to kill 'em all. There was a lot of mental abuse, as well as physical abuse, no doubt about it, until the Abu Ghraib incident which put a stop to such behavior.

 

[Shadow]

Abu Graib, Glenn Beck was the only right wing radio host to condemn the brutality and illegal behavior there.

When will you freaks understand you don't mistreat prisoners of war?

Freaks.. which freaks?

I don't recall anyone being in favor of mistreating POW's...

Puppy...that was the progressives and thier campaign to heap ridicule and verbal abuse on Jessica Lynch.

They have a selective memory...

 

[MaggieMae]

Abu Graib, Glenn Beck was the only right wing radio host to condemn the brutality and illegal behavior there.

When will you freaks understand you don't mistreat prisoners of war?

Freaks.. which freaks?

I don't recall anyone being in favor of mistreating POW's...

Puppy...that was the progressives and thier campaign to heap ridicule and verbal abuse on Jessica Lynch.

They have a selective memory...

I suggest it's you who has a selective memory. Jessica was a heroine to everyone until SHE told the truth about her ordeal. Seems it had been, shall we say, embellished greatly. But I still don't think anyone blamed HER.

Jessica Lynch Sets Record Straight - The Early Show - CBS News

 

[washamericom]

I recall seeing some unedited film clips of soldiers and Marines shortly after Baghdad fell. Apparently the commanders at home and in the field neglected to tell these younguns that America was not "at war" with the Iraqi people, as some of those guys were hollering and screaming and throwing feces at Iraqis from their tank positions, all the while calling them fucking ragheads and that they intended to kill 'em all. There was a lot of mental abuse, as well as physical abuse, no doubt about it, until the Abu Ghraib incident which put a stop to such behavior.

where in the world did you get this ?

 

[Shadow]

Freaks.. which freaks?

I don't recall anyone being in favor of mistreating POW's...

Puppy...that was the progressives and thier campaign to heap ridicule and verbal abuse on Jessica Lynch.

They have a selective memory...

I suggest it's you who has a selective memory. Jessica was a heroine to everyone until SHE told the truth about her ordeal. Seems it had been, shall we say, embellished greatly. But I still don't think anyone blamed HER.

Jessica Lynch Sets Record Straight - The Early Show - CBS News

Try reading her biography. Where the medical records of her brutal rape are published. And about the horrible treatment she experienced at the hands of her captors. Jessica should be considered a heroine....because she is one.

 

[rightwinger]

Puppy...that was the progressives and thier campaign to heap ridicule and verbal abuse on Jessica Lynch.

They have a selective memory...

I suggest it's you who has a selective memory. Jessica was a heroine to everyone until SHE told the truth about her ordeal. Seems it had been, shall we say, embellished greatly. But I still don't think anyone blamed HER.

Jessica Lynch Sets Record Straight - The Early Show - CBS News

Try reading her biography. Where the medical records of her brutal rape are published. And about the horrible treatment she experienced at the hands of her captors. Jessica should be considered a heroine....because she is one.

Aren't all rape victims heroines?

 

[zzzz]

I suggest it's you who has a selective memory. Jessica was a heroine to everyone until SHE told the truth about her ordeal. Seems it had been, shall we say, embellished greatly. But I still don't think anyone blamed HER.

Jessica Lynch Sets Record Straight - The Early Show - CBS News

Try reading her biography. Where the medical records of her brutal rape are published. And about the horrible treatment she experienced at the hands of her captors. Jessica should be considered a heroine....because she is one.

Aren't all rape victims heroines?

Here I have a problem with the use of the word hero or heroine. To me, a hero/heroine is someone who at the risk of life or limb does some action to save another person or people from harm. Being a victim is not heroic no matter how bad we feel about their experience.

 

[rightwinger]

Try reading her biography. Where the medical records of her brutal rape are published. And about the horrible treatment she experienced at the hands of her captors. Jessica should be considered a heroine....because she is one.

Aren't all rape victims heroines?

Here I have a problem with the use of the word hero or heroine. To me, a hero/heroine is someone who at the risk of life or limb does some action to save another person or people from harm. Being a victim is not heroic no matter how bad we feel about their experience.

Then Jessica is a victim and not a heroine

 

[Lumpy 1]

Freaks.. which freaks?

I don't recall anyone being in favor of mistreating POW's...

you know. abu ghraib was the turning point in the decline of the beginning of the war and the piling on of the democrats to sellout their own president. a few misguided soldiers treated the iraqi combatants like the oregon cops treated rambo in first blood, and used it as a tool to beat bush instead of saddam. as it turns out.... they were right, no harm done.

I recall seeing some unedited film clips of soldiers and Marines shortly after Baghdad fell. Apparently the commanders at home and in the field neglected to tell these younguns that America was not "at war" with the Iraqi people, as some of those guys were hollering and screaming and throwing feces at Iraqis from their tank positions, all the while calling them fucking ragheads and that they intended to kill 'em all. There was a lot of mental abuse, as well as physical abuse, no doubt about it, until the Abu Ghraib incident which put a stop to such behavior.

Yup.. I think what you say is true but there is another perspective your not considering.. the younguns themselves. These young soldiers are prepared for war, their not trained to love the enemy their trained to kill the enemy. Consider putting your life and body on the line, the excitement and fear, the stress, the relieve that your still alive, the unknown. Perhaps to us civilians war doesn't make sense but we train these young people to do the unnatural dirty work, and there are proven methods of training to get the job done, to win, survive, protect their fellow soldiers and consider the fact that the enemy wasn't dressed up in identifiable opposing army garb, they could easily be part of the crowd..
No doubt there was outrageous abuses and the war turned politically correct after Abu Ghraib but still to use it as a political tool, was chicken shit by the media and the Democrat Party leadership and no doubt put our soldiers in additional danger for political gain..

 

[JakeStarkey]

Shadow has a selective memory, and now that Shadow is in the sunlight, Shadow's simplistic statement shrinks to . . . nothing.

 

[Lumpy 1]

Shadow has a selective memory, and now that Shadow is in the sunlight, Shadow's simplistic statement shrinks to . . . nothing.

You know Jake.. you're starting to get on my nerves...

 

[JakeStarkey]

I could not give a fart what you think, Lumpy: got it? Until you wing nut reactionaries account for your bias and start acting rational in discussion, then count on being rightfully mocked.

 

[Lumpy 1]

I could not give a fart what you think, Lumpy: got it? When you wing nut reactionaries account for your bias and start acting rational in discussion, then count on being rightfully mocked.

Thanks Jake.. I needed a laugh..

I love irony.....

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are welcome, Lumpy. The irony is that the joke is on you. Try being objective for a season.

 

[Ozmar]

she could break any day now. all she has to do is back away and say "i can't stand by and watch this lunatic destroy the country. shame on you barrak obama, for ramming through a health care that nobody wanted, but you. shame on you for letting the economy and the debt and respect from the world decline, for turning your back on iran when they rised up for democracy, for stealing our children's financial future... for blowing off the boy scouts of america to be on the view...shame on you barrak obama". and "vote for me and you get bill, times were good when we had bill" and "the barrier of having a black president has been broken, but the first black president is a failure, now let's try a strong and experienced woman".
i can see it all, the latter shares the open door with sarah palin, that's why i've been saying for a year that the '12 election general will be sarah against hillary, perhaps america is finally once again coming back to it's senses.

What do you define as America being at its senses?

 

[Toome]

Wow. Sometimes I have to wonder about the quality of education in America.

Secretaries of State rarely go over 4 years in office not because of any change in the political winds or other reasons but mostly because this job takes a lot out of them. George Shultz during the Reagan administration, Dean Rusk during the JFK-LBJ administrations and John Foster Dulles during the Eisenhower administration stand out as Secretaries of State who popped the 4 year mark. Cordell Hull was SECSTATE for about 11 and a half years during the FDR administration. So if Hillary Clinton were to step down in 2012, it should not be a surprise nor should it be interpreted as anything significant. It's par for the course.

As far as running in 2012, you've got to kidding. For the Democrats, it's a lose-lose situation. UNLESS Obama decides on his own to NOT seek re-election, then he is the defacto nominee for the Democrats. However, he's so much of an idealist that I don't see him stepping aside for the good of the Party; I see him as too stubborn to admit that his concept of politics is wrong. It's not a matter of him going down with the ship; he's scuttling it! If the Democrats were stupid enough to ask him not to run, it would be the political kiss of death because it would be construed as having significant problems within the party.

The smart money is on Hillary probably stepping down in order to spend more time with her family (yeah, think that one over and then ROFL your ass all over the floor), watch the Train Wreck of 2012 from the sidelines, and then step forward in 2016 and the Great Savior of the Democratic Party. I think she has the patience for it. I think it's a great mistake to underestimate her political skills.

 

[gautama]

she could break any day now. all she has to do is back away and say "i can't stand by and watch this lunatic destroy the country. shame on you barrak obama, for ramming through a health care that nobody wanted, but you. shame on you for letting the economy and the debt and respect from the world decline, for turning your back on iran when they rised up for democracy, for stealing our children's financial future... for blowing off the boy scouts of america to be on the view...shame on you barrak obama". and "vote for me and you get bill, times were good when we had bill" and "the barrier of having a black president has been broken, but the first black president is a failure, now let's try a strong and experienced woman".
i can see it all, the latter shares the open door with sarah palin, that's why i've been saying for a year that the '12 election general will be sarah against hillary, perhaps america is finally once again coming back to it's senses.

No doubt about it.....MARXIST & Racist Obami Salaami the EXPOSED MONUMENTAL FRAUD,Muslim PC Protector, Palestinian Guardian, Supporter of the VICTORY MOSQUE and the KNOWN Terrorists and semi-Terrorists and their Organizations, using our tax dollars to send shit like Imam Rauf to the Mid East (ever wonder why?), Suporter of Illegal Immigration, and Mexican Drug Cartels' Pussy.......IS TOAST !!!

 

[Shadow]

Shadow has a selective memory, and now that Shadow is in the sunlight, Shadow's simplistic statement shrinks to . . . nothing.

I don't have a selective memory at all. I remember very well how the progressives treated the troops. Very shabby.