I pledge allegiance..

[Cuyo]

"...and to the nation for which it stands."

How does that part fit in with the idea that the flag is a political symbol?

Them ain't the words I learnt.

 

[Meister]

What it means now, and what it meant in another time:

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYHLVUVctQk]YouTube - ‪American Pledge of Allegiance by Red Skelton‬‎[/ame]

 

[Quantum Windbag]

The law doesn't always reflect reality.

All the school has to do is say 'we didn't suspend you for not repeating the script; we suspended you for being a classroom distraction and disrupting the learning environment...' Kind like if I fire you because I don't learn you're pro-abortion, Ican't say I'm firing you because you're pro-abortion- I have to give no reason at all or say we felt you were no longer an asset to the company and we no longer required your services.

They will loose, period. SCOTUS has clearly ruled that students are not required to participate in reciting the pledge.

 

[JBeukema]

they will loose?

 

[washamericom]

Fuck a flag.
Brainwashed idiots.

jagoff... you look old

 

[JWBooth]

Is harmless as the pledge is you have to admit it's some cute propaganda. I mean, who isn't allegiant to the republic? Do we need to a pledge to prove that we're not one of those non pledge evil doers? Aside from a harmless tradition I've never seen the point but then again I never questioned it as a kid like they do today. I can't help but loathe the silly fools who get bent over it's usage however.

and to the republic for which it once stood...

 

[JBeukema]

Is harmless as the pledge is you have to admit it's some cute propaganda. I mean, who isn't allegiant to the republic? Do we need to a pledge to prove that we're not one of those non pledge evil doers? Aside from a harmless tradition I've never seen the point but then again I never questioned it as a kid like they do today. I can't help but loathe the silly fools who get bent over it's usage however.

and to the republic for which it once stood...

until ~1869 (or 1861, depending on how you want to mark it)

 

[JWBooth]

Is harmless as the pledge is you have to admit it's some cute propaganda. I mean, who isn't allegiant to the republic? Do we need to a pledge to prove that we're not one of those non pledge evil doers? Aside from a harmless tradition I've never seen the point but then again I never questioned it as a kid like they do today. I can't help but loathe the silly fools who get bent over it's usage however.

and to the republic for which it once stood...

until ~1869 (or 1861, depending on how you want to mark it)

Somewhere along in there. By the time the socialist Bellamy wrote the poa, the Republic was long gone.

 

[007]

Day in and day out children all across the United States begin their school day with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. While this practice seems as American as the Fourth of July and apple pie, there is something very distressing with declaring your allegiance to a flag, and even worse impressing children with the idea that true patriotism comes from mindlessly reciting pledges and creeds, in drone-like fashion.

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

Oh really? Then I would imagine you have a problem with this as well...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_l8KK3gGxQ]YouTube - ‪School Kids Taught to Praise Obama‬‎[/ame]

 

[Meister]

Day in and day out children all across the United States begin their school day with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. While this practice seems as American as the Fourth of July and apple pie, there is something very distressing with declaring your allegiance to a flag, and even worse impressing children with the idea that true patriotism comes from mindlessly reciting pledges and creeds, in drone-like fashion.

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

Oh really? Then I would imagine you have a problem with this as well...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_l8KK3gGxQ]YouTube - ‪School Kids Taught to Praise Obama‬‎[/ame]

I have an idea that he's good with that one.

 

[Gunny]

Day in and day out children all across the United States begin their school day with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. While this practice seems as American as the Fourth of July and apple pie, there is something very distressing with declaring your allegiance to a flag, and even worse impressing children with the idea that true patriotism comes from mindlessly reciting pledges and creeds, in drone-like fashion.

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

*yawn*

 

[uscitizen]

Day in and day out children all across the United States begin their school day with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. While this practice seems as American as the Fourth of July and apple pie, there is something very distressing with declaring your allegiance to a flag, and even worse impressing children with the idea that true patriotism comes from mindlessly reciting pledges and creeds, in drone-like fashion.

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

This type thinking has contributed to Americas downfall, United we stand divided we fall. All those who stress to divide shouldn't have the privilege to be called American.

You mean like the loyalists in both parties that do all they can to divide America?

 

[JBeukema]

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

Oh really? Then I would imagine you have a problem with this as well...

[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_l8KK3gGxQ"]YouTube - ‪School Kids Taught to Praise Obama‬‎[/ame]

I have an idea that he's good with that one.

I get the distinct impression that you're retarded

 

[historyguy12485]

I have an idea that he's good with that one.

Um...no. I'm actually the author of the blog piece. I'm a libertarian, writing on a libertarian blog. We hate all forms of mind control. Try again...

 

[cad]

I have an idea that he's good with that one.

Um...no. I'm actually the author of the blog piece. I'm a libertarian, writing on a libertarian blog. We hate all forms of mind control. Try again...

is the pledge of allegience really a form of mind control?

 

[johnrocks]

I just checked into the history of the Pledge last year, I don't plan on ever reciting it again.

 

[Flopper]

The pledge has been around a long time, since 1892. It's a tradition and a good one. It serves as a useful reminder that we owe an allegiance to our country. The pledge is required in public schools in most states. I see nothing wrong it.

 

[uscitizen]

Day in and day out children all across the United States begin their school day with a recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance. While this practice seems as American as the Fourth of July and apple pie, there is something very distressing with declaring your allegiance to a flag, and even worse impressing children with the idea that true patriotism comes from mindlessly reciting pledges and creeds, in drone-like fashion.

"I Pledge Allegiance?? | Libertarian Minds

This type thinking has contributed to Americas downfall, United we stand divided we fall. All those who stress to divide shouldn't have the privilege to be called American.

As in libtard vs consuckative?

 

[uscitizen]

I have an idea that he's good with that one.

Um...no. I'm actually the author of the blog piece. I'm a libertarian, writing on a libertarian blog. We hate all forms of mind control. Try again...

is the pledge of allegience really a form of mind control?

It is a form of programming. To pledge allegiance to a flag?

But then most people require an object or figurehead to pledge allegiance to.

 

[cad]

Um...no. I'm actually the author of the blog piece. I'm a libertarian, writing on a libertarian blog. We hate all forms of mind control. Try again...

is the pledge of allegience really a form of mind control?

It is a form of programming. To pledge allegiance to a flag?

But then most people require an object or figurehead to pledge allegiance to.

what's wrong with that? is there something wrong with holding allegiance to your country?

i guess i'm just a mindcontrolled fool for feeling a sense of pride when i see the flag.