I never thought it possible for our country to go to war based on assumptions

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    Or false information, or unverified facts as explained to us from the powers that can and do create "WAR". Let me put this into perspective.

    I am a three time veteran of the Viet Nam experience. I didn't serve a full tour there but I was sent three times on temporary duty to perform missions that were and are classified. I believed in the Viet Nam altercation as of benefit to Democracy. I still think it could have been but let's not rake over old coals.

    I also did the Grenada thing. I believed and saw American lives and aspirations in danger there. I performed my mission and continue to be satisfied that what I did was the correct thing to do.

    I was heavily involved in the Panama/Noriega thing. Yes, I still think it proper that we went in and pay no attention whatsoever to the "Just Because" accusation as it relates to the "Just Cause" operation.

    Last, but not least by any stretch, I served in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere from November '90 until June '91. Hussein was kicked out of Kuwait and rightly so. But now to the present war against not Hussein but the peoples of Iraq. Hussein is in American custody,, correct me if I'm wrong.

    We went into Iraq to find and destroy weapons of mass destrucion that were heavily advertised as being both directly aimed at us, the US, and to facilitate a "regime change" that made these purported WMD's such a threat to us. The "regime change" has been substantially completed. The promised WMD's as stated for our purposes for WAR have not been found. In fact, all intelligence that led us to believe in their existense and their intent has been overwhelmingly disproven. I can't buy that we went into Iraq based on such erroneous information unless there is something much more sinister involved.

    I cannot produce or understand praise for the decisions of an Administration that has so misled us. Americans can and will do better. I certainly still believe in the goodness as well as the Greatness of our American ideology and ways of life. I used the plural of "way" to exemplify our diversity. I choose honesty over ignorance, I choose peaceful demonstration over adversarial violence. I choose reliable information over perception. I choose Peace against War except in cases where there is no choice except War. I think we made a wrong choice in this War against the peoples of Iraq. Time will certainly tell whether my perception in this case are accurate or not. So far, it appears that I am correct.
     
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    Psycho, at face value let me say thank you, thank you for all of your service. I agee, we went into Iraq with WMD at the forefront, though by no means the only justification, just the most popular and publicized. I truly believe that the administration though they were there, so you are correct on that count. The rest of the world agreed with their assumption, while they may be proven right someday, that day is not now.

    However, the less publicized reasons included Saddam's support for terrorists, via Palestinians that was a good enough reason. Point 2, terror in general, specifically Al-Queda, again, the nexus becomes clearer by the day.
     
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    The propagation of WMD's, Kathianne, were the ONLY overwhelming reason that we went into Iraq as is much more widely known and perceived by others than myself. So, stop that, you're only bullshitting yourself.

    The Palestinians also pose no threat to Americans. I presently work with several of them in a verry mundane small town job. They neither present a problem for me or embrace an ideolgy that might be misconstrued as such. In all my experience in the Mid East I never met a Palestinian that desired confrontation with American people or ideolgy. And I met some fairly high level types within the Palestinian communities.

    You indicate, as our Administration has many times, a connection with "terror" as another cause for our invasion of Iraq. There quite simply is no connection. Hell, George W. Bush terrorizes me and my view of freedom far more than any Iraqi ever has including Saddam Hussein. Your allusion to the Hussein connection to the Palestinians, well, they share an Arabic brotherhood. It's a regional thing and should in no way involve American intervention other than our attempts to promote Democracy. I submit that WAR is not a viable introduction to Democracy within any society that does not within itself create the will and indoctrination that compels the ideological transformation. In other words, Democracy can't be forced on anyone. Just look at our own political quagmire.

    You repeat yourself, as is a common Reich Wing propensity. But truth be told, there is and never has been any substantial connection between Hussein and Al Queda. Stop promoting that falsehood, Kathianne.
     
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    I never thought we'd go to war at the behest of the Jews, but now that we've done it three times and counting, I'm getting used to it.
     
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    Been watching a little too much FOX TV, eh, William Joyce?
     
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    I agree with Kathianne in thanking you for your service.
    And while we are all entitled to our views, we cannot undo the past.
    What do you suggest we do now?
     
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    Kathianne...let me get this straight...it is OK to use the reason for targeting Saddam, is partly, because he supported the Palistinian terrorists attacking Israel, but it is not our 'War on Terror' to actually defend Israel, let alone attack the Palistinian terrorists?
     
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    Examples?

    Then where are all these suicide bombers and other terrorists coming from then? Can't you at least admit that the Arab countries have done little to solve the problems the Palestinians face? All they offer is anti-Israel/anti-US rhetoric and they encourage them to keep attacking Israel with suicide bombers. Where has that gotten them? There also have been times where Israel tries to offer something and some Palestinian representatives (like Arafat) would not accept it?

    And about WMD. I hope you were just as pissed off when Democrats and many others around the world claimed Iraq had them since 1998. You might say that maybe they had them then and don't now, but it's just as likely that they might not have had them then. And don't forget about the Iraq Liberation Act by Clinton. Speaking of Clinton, I also hope you were just as pissed off about Kosovo and the so-called ethnic cleansing. It was pretty much a civil war, and the KLA are not exactly the good guys and it was not such a one-sided campaign.
     
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    What we should do now is a much more complex and involved circumstance than you might imagine . I could give you a 500 page report but I'll spare you the indulgence. Spare me, as well.
     
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    It's on the chillin' side, Sir Evil!!!!!! Wassup wit U?

    Germany has experienced unilateralism. France has been a victim or it. Russia definitely has political problems but what about China? What about truth? My man, Sir Evil, the world is a round thing. And we keep going in circles. I can't change that, how 'bout your ideas? :)
     

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