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    Pulling a few statistics off the Internet, Americans drink 15 billion gallons of soda and 15.7 million gallons of beer every year.

    Broken down into 12-ounce cans (recyclable!), how much could be accumulated if a mere $.05 were taxed on each can? (My calculator won't go that high.)

    Could some sort of equitable health care reform be paid for with such a tax?
     
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    Proposing another "sin" tax again ... what's next, taxing beef?
     
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    Four billion dollars for the just the soda, so double it.

    64 x 15b / 12 x .05 =

    LOL - correction 128 in gallon so double = 8 billion

    I miss the milk man and several brain cells.
     
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    Maggie's not proposing it, Congress is.

    Maggie -- every "sin tax" ever conceived fails to bring in the projected revenue, because of the change of behavior desired. This is why they always fail. Taxes used as behavior modification, social engineering, punishing success, or for any other reason besides RAISING REVENUE fail every time they are tried.

    Example: Cigarette taxes designed to get people to quit -- if they do, you DON'T get the fucking revenue projected, therefore all the money you thought you were gonna get, does not appear. Problem is, you already earmarked it in the same bill, to be spent on this or that. THIS is how you get such huge deficits!

    Taxes aren't a social engineering or behavior modification or a punishment of success tool, they are for raising revenue.
     
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    Look up the obesity rate, dear. As a health problem, it now surpasses cigarette smoking. Yes, I'm ALL FOR taxing shit that causes people to unnecessarily need costly health care. It's a no-brainer.
     
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    Yeah, I thought about all of that. However, the main sticking point seems to be mobility to handle the cost projections at the front end, not down the line. If cost containment in Medicare/Medicaid really do happen within 10 years, the "sin" tax wouldn't be needed.

    I don't know. Just throwing stuff out there for conversation purposes.
     
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    Social control thru taxes....

    That's a "winner" Hitler had!
     
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    Damned if you do, damned if you don't. You don't think something needs to be done to curb the fat pandemic? It ultimately will be YOU who pays for their diabetes, heart disease treatment, bypass surgeries, etc., etc., whether there is government health care or not.
     
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    Are you a believer in evolution? Then look up Darwin's law of natural selection and get back to me.

    Let it WORK!
     
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    Okay, aside from what Midnight pointed out, you are so full of myths it's sad ... the scary part is that too many people still believe these same myths.

    Obesity as defined by the government is not the unhealthy people, it's just people who don't fit in the outdated and already proven inaccurate BMI. Meaning, even the healthiest athletes are considered obese. ;)

    That's one myth. Their healthcare does not cost more than anyone else. Heart attacks are more common among "skinny" people who live with a lot of stress than people who are "obese", statistics on this keep changing based on the products they are endorsing, that should be your clue there.

    Lastly, "sin" taxes just don't work.
     

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