I met President Bush Sunday!

Why should I have to give my hard earned money to others.. Its my money not theirs.. If i want to help people who are less fortunate, I will donate to charities.. Currently i dont donate because enough of my money is going in taxes to pay for these people..
 
Why should I have to give my hard earned money to others.. Its my money not theirs.. If i want to help people who are less fortunate, I will donate to charities.. Currently i dont donate because enough of my money is going in taxes to pay for these people..

I’m waiting for an answer from CSM but while I am waiting, I’ll answer your question. You should give to the needy because it would be better for society than to have people die in the street. It helps makes for a cleaner and healthier society.

I’m glad that you do not voice an objection to giving in all fashions.
 
You are so deluded and incorrect about my views. Let me set you straight about me. I think that people who are successful should help those who are needy. Sometimes it takes a small hand of government, in addition to private charity, to help people to any significant degree. Let me ask you 5 straight questions:

1.) Do you realize that there are many mentally restarted and physically handicapped people in America?

yes

2.) Do you think that all forms of government-run welfare should be removed and suddenly disappear? That would include Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Food Stamps, and Aid to Dependent Children, Unemployment, and a host of other programs.

yes

3.) Do you realize that if such programs were to vanish completely, there would not be enough private charity to support the needy to any significant degree?

yes

4.) Do you think that such people should be left to die in the streets?

yes

5.) If you answered yes to the first two questions and no to the third question, how do you think that such people will be cared for?

By their frikkin families!

It is my wish that everyone be self-reliant. I want there to be as few dependent, irresponsible, non working ne'er do wells as possible. Yet, I understand that there are people who, through no fault of their own, will be dependent if only for a short time. There are also people who will forever be dependent (not so much because they are irresponsible but because they have mental and physical handicaps). There is a need for programs to remain to help such people.

Finally, to address your last comment, I am not a victim either, if that makes any difference. What does being a victim have to do with the discussion about government support for the needy?

I do not believe in government support for the needy. The reason we have it is because one political party in particular bases their entire platform on victimhood:

poor good
rich bad
nonwhite good
white bad
uninformed good
too smart bad
illegal alien good
citizen bad
personal irresponsibility good
personal responsibility bad
homosexual good
heterosexual bad
surrender monkey good
military bad


and on and on ... That party needs victims to have control.


Your posts prove my point. You think I am a bad person because I do not believe the government should be involved in socialism.


Before you accuse me of being a right wing extremists etc. you should know that I absolutely DETEST politicians regardless of party affiliation. I consider them all to be a bunch of pandering, lieing, power hungry assholes.

If there is a pair of balls between the lot of them you can bet they got them from some poor working slob who was intimidated into cutting them off and handing them over.
 
I do not believe in government support for the needy. The reason we have it is because one political party in particular bases their entire platform on victimhood.

Your posts prove my point. You think I am a bad person because I do not believe the government should be involved in socialism.

You said that those who aren’t self reliant should die in the streets. Okay. At least you answered my questions.

By the way, many families can’t afford to care for the mentally ill and physically handicapped. Yet, you said that such people should left to die in the streets. So that is pretty well covered.

The reason why we have government programs that distribute some tax money to the needy is because people (Democrats and even some Republicans) realize that such is good for society.

I don’t get personal and call names. We simply disagree on what is best for America.

I don’t think that pure capitalism is good for America. I don’t think that pure socialism is good for America. The question is not whether or not to draw the line but where to draw the line.
 
I don’t think that pure capitalism is good for America. I don’t think that pure socialism is good for America. The question is not whether or not to draw the line but where to draw the line.


I agree. Obviously where I would draw the line is miles away from where you would.

Look...my objection is not to helping the needy or the handicapped. If an individual chooses to do that then bless their pea pickin lil hearts. I just don't want the government, you, some politician or ANYBODY telling me I MUST and then enact laws to make me do so. I'll help whomever I want whenever I want. I dont wnat some government flunky telling me I MUST provide healthcare for somebody. I will pay for healthcare for whomever and whenever I want.

I strenusously object to those who think THEY know what is best for society and then force their philosophy on me as an individual. I strenuously object to ANYONE telling me I have to LIKE, ACCEPT and provide special priviliges those whose life-style I find abhorent.

You will notice that nowhere in my posts did I call you names, make fun of you or anything of that sort. I didn't even use the "rolls eyes" smiley.

As for a politician REALIZING anything...I simply do not believe it. ALL they care about is staying in power and collecting the bennies being a politician confers on them. NOT ONE of them has the best interest of this country or its citizens at heart.

I strenuously object to those who want to judge me based on their preconceived notions of who I am and what I am. I am sick and tired of those espousing utopian ideals trying to impose those ideals on me while not holding themselves to the same standard.

If those objections make me a wicked, wicked man then so be it.
 
Seemed like a very down to earth guy to me.. Photo to come

In other words, not exactly presidential material. Most puppets are nice, down to earth guys, amiable, willing to please their masters, like a dog.
 
But I guess someone's public image can be very different from their true persona and / or motives?
 
I agree. Obviously where I would draw the line is miles away from where you would.

Look...my objection is not to helping the needy or the handicapped. If an individual chooses to do that then bless their pea pickin lil hearts. I just don't want the government, you, some politician or ANYBODY telling me I MUST and then enact laws to make me do so. I'll help whomever I want whenever I want. I dont wnat some government flunky telling me I MUST provide healthcare for somebody. I will pay for healthcare for whomever and whenever I want.

I strenusously object to those who think THEY know what is best for society and then force their philosophy on me as an individual. I strenuously object to ANYONE telling me I have to LIKE, ACCEPT and provide special priviliges those whose life-style I find abhorent.

You will notice that nowhere in my posts did I call you names, make fun of you or anything of that sort. I didn't even use the "rolls eyes" smiley.

As for a politician REALIZING anything...I simply do not believe it. ALL they care about is staying in power and collecting the bennies being a politician confers on them. NOT ONE of them has the best interest of this country or its citizens at heart.

I strenuously object to those who want to judge me based on their preconceived notions of who I am and what I am. I am sick and tired of those espousing utopian ideals trying to impose those ideals on me while not holding themselves to the same standard.

If those objections make me a wicked, wicked man then so be it.

I agree. I've no objection to helping the 70 year old widow, left on social security along. No objection to helping the Down's syndrome child/adult whose family can't care for them, or any in this type of situation.

Now the poor family that bought a 200k home, can't make the payments, while 3 cars sit in the driveway? Sell the shit. Sell the house, for whatever you can get. Then we'll talk.

If one is on drugs, alcohol, what have you; get into a program, then I'll help, private wise.
 
I agree. I've no objection to helping the 70 year old widow, left on social security along. No objection to helping the Down's syndrome child/adult whose family can't care for them, or any in this type of situation.

Now the poor family that bought a 200k home, can't make the payments, while 3 cars sit in the driveway? Sell the shit. Sell the house, for whatever you can get. Then we'll talk.

If one is on drugs, alcohol, what have you; get into a program, then I'll help, private wise.

So you feel that only the people worthy of your charity receive it? Why not treat all people the same? Drug addiction is a harrowing experience and has severe emotion & psychological reasons behind it. No sympathy for people who are suffering if they are not suffering as you see fit?
 
So you feel that only the people worthy of your charity receive it? Why not treat all people the same? Drug addiction is a harrowing experience and has severe emotion & psychological reasons behind it. No sympathy for people who are suffering if they are not suffering as you see fit?

Who are you to tell anyone how they should be charitable with the money they EARN? And who are you to decide who is and is not worthy of charity anymore than Kathianne is?

Taking what someone earns and posesses without their permission is theft, regardless what you wish to do with it.
 
Who are you to tell anyone how they should be charitable with the money they EARN? And who are you to decide who is and is not worthy of charity anymore than Kathianne is?

Taking what someone earns and posesses without their permission is theft, regardless what you wish to do with it.

And having no compassion for the plight of others is...militaristic.
 
Clinton bashers don't need to sink into fantasy to do their bashing, however. He actually provides grist for the mill.

Bush bashers, however, depend upon lies, rumors and, well, lies.
 

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