I lost a friend today.

[froggy]

You know, here's how I feel about the birthers, the truthers, and all those other conspiracy nuts out there.

Just because you saw something, you should investigate ALL of it. And, when the truth doesn't look like what you'd expected, check to make sure that it's right, but if the evidence is slanted (like most 9/11 truthers is), you may wish to check again.

First off, magnesium is a light, strong metal used in aircraft. It will catch fire at the levels of heat generated by aircraft fuel. When the magnesium parts start to burn? It burns at 1500 - 2000 degrees.

And........don't forget, the insulation painted over the steel beams wasn't there to fireproof them, it was there for rust proofing. It afforded a little protection, but not much.

Then, consider the fact that they crashed them 1/3 of the way down the building. When the first floor gave away, it had not only the weight of the floor above it coming down, but the weight of the entire top 20 stories of the building, landing on something that wasn't designed to take a 15 ft fall of a 20 story building.

But.......that's no reason to end a friendship. If your friends have to think and act like you, then you're not looking for friends, you're looking for followers.

In all the building i build all steel columns girders steel joist have to be fire proofed with monokote with a 4 hour rating, i'm sure a skyscraper would be at a higher rating .

You are also assuming that the building codes were very stringent like today and there wasn't any short cuts, and inpectors that took some money under the table to look the other way. This is NY after all.

They wouldn't have let that slide.

 

[uscitizen]

In all the building i build all steel columns girders steel joist have to be fire proofed with monokote with a 4 hour rating, i'm sure a skyscraper would be at a higher rating .

You are also assuming that the building codes were very stringent like today and there wasn't any short cuts, and inpectors that took some money under the table to look the other way. This is NY after all.

They wouldn't have let that slide.

Sure they would for the proper amount of money being "slid"....

 

[froggy]

You are also assuming that the building codes were very stringent like today and there wasn't any short cuts, and inpectors that took some money under the table to look the other way. This is NY after all.

They wouldn't have let that slide.

Sure they would for the proper amount of money being "slid"....

i'm sure the arch. would have said "oh your leaving that off, well okay"

 

[uscitizen]

They wouldn't have let that slide.

Sure they would for the proper amount of money being "slid"....

i'm sure the arch. would have said "oh your leaving that off, well okay"

Who says the "arch" would know?
And the part he looked at might have been fine.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

get over yourself.

I have friends that believe I'm going to hell and they are not. It's as if they have no clue.

 

[froggy]

Sure they would for the proper amount of money being "slid"....

i'm sure the arch. would have said "oh your leaving that off, well okay"

Who says the "arch" would know?
And the part he looked at might have been fine.

Every arch. i've every dealt with check the job regurally

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

why does that disqualify him as your friend?

I cannot trust someone whose judgement is so poor.

I give up here at post #? I cannot read your self righteous bullshit any further.

Buy a gun. All you need is one bullet if your hands are steady and your balls haven't shriveled up into your brain.

you truly are the 'real deal' aren't you?

gawd, you must have no friends.

 

[uscitizen]

i'm sure the arch. would have said "oh your leaving that off, well okay"

Who says the "arch" would know?
And the part he looked at might have been fine.

Every arch. i've every dealt with check the job regurally

and all archs are above being bribed?

We need them in government.

 

[Ravi]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

why does that disqualify him as your friend?

I cannot trust someone whose judgement is so poor.

Just the fact that they considered you a friend means their judgment was poor.

 

[rightwinger]

I lost a friend today.


I lost a quarter today......DAMN!

 

[ABikerSailor]

I lost my virginity in 1981.............damn...........

 

[Lost Soul]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

Better than losing a sister.

My socialist sister has disowned the whole family because we will not turn our freedoms over to the federal govt and lock step to the liberal socialism.

She called my oldest sister a warmongering pig a few years ago that got her a slap across the face. My brother then told her to get the hell out of his house until she could show a little more respect in front of her family.

She hasnt been back and no one misses her. She was always the type to start shit with everyone after she was told to keep her views to herself or not show up at family events only to try and ruin them.

 

[eots]

Who says the "arch" would know?
And the part he looked at might have been fine.

Every arch. i've every dealt with check the job regurally

and all archs are above being bribed?

We need them in government.

James Quintiere, Ph.D., former Chief of the Fire Science Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST), has called for an independent review of NIST’s investigation into the collapses of the World Trade Center Towers on 9/11.

Dr. Quintiere made his plea during his presentation, “Questions on the WTC Investigations” at the 2007 World Fire Safety Conference. “I wish that there would be a peer review of this,” he said, referring to the NIST investigation. “I think all the records that NIST has assembled should be archived. I would really like to see someone else take a look at what they’ve done; both structurally and from a fire point of view.”

Dr. Quintiere, one of the world’s leading fire science researchers and safety engineers, also encouraged his audience of fellow researchers and engineers to scientifically re-examine the WTC collapses. “I hope to convince you to perhaps become 'Conspiracy Theorists', but in a proper way,” he said

In my opinion, the WTC investigation by NIST falls short of expectations by not definitively finding cause, by not sufficiently linking recommendations of specificity to cause, by not fully invoking all of their authority to seek facts in the investigation, and by the guidance of government lawyers to deter rather than support fact finding

Dr. Quintiere said he originally “had high hopes” that NIST would do a good job with the investigation. “They’re the central government lab for fire. There are good people there and they can do a good job. But what I also thought they would do is to enlist the service of the ATF [Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives], which has an investigation force and a laboratory of their own for fire. And I thought they would put people out on the street and get gumshoe-type information. What prevented all of this? I think it’s the legal structure that cloaks the Commerce Department and therefore NIST. And so, instead of lawyers as if they were acting on a civil case trying to get depositions and information subpoenaed, those lawyers did the opposite and blocked everything.”


OpEdNews - Article: Former Chief of NIST's Fire Science Division Calls for Independent Review of World Trade Center Investigation

 

[froggy]

Dr. Quintiere also expressed his frustration at NIST’s failure to provide a report on the third skyscraper that collapsed on 9/11, World Trade Center Building 7. “And that building was not hit by anything,” noted Dr. Quintiere. “It’s more important to take a look at that. Maybe there was damage by the debris falling down that played a significant role. But other than that you had fires burning a long time without fire department intervention. And firefighters were in that building. I have yet to see any kind of story about what they saw. What was burning? Were photographs taken? Nothing!”
How strange.

 

[eots]

Dr. Quintiere also expressed his frustration at NIST’s failure to provide a report on the third skyscraper that collapsed on 9/11, World Trade Center Building 7. “And that building was not hit by anything,” noted Dr. Quintiere. “It’s more important to take a look at that. Maybe there was damage by the debris falling down that played a significant role. But other than that you had fires burning a long time without fire department intervention. And firefighters were in that building. I have yet to see any kind of story about what they saw. What was burning? Were photographs taken? Nothing!”
How strange.

yet popular mechanics reported unprecedented access to such materials

 

[goldcatt]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

I hear you Mr. Fitnah. I do, with much effort however, maintain my friendships with others if we disagree on politics, but have lost respect for them.

I think this is one of the saddest things I've ever read. Seriously.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

I lost my virginity in 1981.............damn...........

I lost a friend today.


I lost a quarter today......DAMN!

and I think I've lost my patience for people as clueless as Fitnah.

 

[mal]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

I didn't say that... You just Removed me...

Oh, this is someone else?...

Carry on.



peace...

 

[Mr.Fitnah]

When a friend has difficulty seeing the truth, that is when they need us the most.

He has seen the truth .
It is contained between the opening credits and final flickers of reason in Loose change, Zero and Zeitgeist.

 

[PixieStix]

He told me he believes the government was responsible for the 911 attacks and that there were explosives used.
It was very sad

I am sorry. This person must have been a long time friend.

Your friend has lost perspective for some odd reason. Did you ask him why he decided to believe that garbage? Because as far as I am concerned that kind of thinking has nothing to do with logic. it was a turning point in his mind and a bad decision on his part.