I liked Obama in 2004.

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    I liked Obama in 2004. I saw a lot of potential in the guy.

    I also appreciated that in those early days he said he wouldn't run for president in 2008 because he knew that he was too inexperienced for the job. That was reasonable and responsible. What was not to admire about that?


    I liked some of the principles he seemed to (want to) claim for his own as a Senator. Like how he said John Roberts was highly qualified for the court and it would be wrong to vote against a president's nominations for ideological reasons and so he was considering voting yes.

    I did not like how quickly he betrayed his ideals when it was whispered in his ear that ideals such as those could stand in the way of his potential aspirations to higher office.





    I did not like him taking part in what appeared to be the Democrats obstructing the war effort for what appeared to be partisan reasons, in ways which to me extended the uncertainty of the situation in Iraq and thus made Iraqis less willing to come out and take a risk for their own success and thus extended the duration of the war by years. (imho)




    I did not like the reaction Geraldine Ferraro received for accurately pointing out that a white person with as thin a resume as Obama's would have been hurried off the stage during the primaries. With Ferraro getting treatment like that, you know that Republicans didn't have a chance for having a fair hearing of their objections.



    I do not like the media which gave Obama unlimited redos when he handled himself clumsily, to the point of them telling us what they thought he really meant in spite of what he actually said, and other forms of unworthy self-censoring which some of us saw at the time, and others discovered in retrospect. A media which used their power and influence to convince Americans that the price of Palin's shoes was more important than Obama's opinions about China.


    I do not like how he overpromised. That was pandering or naivete, and either way it was a sign that he was not right for the office, and he should have been interrogated about it before the elections and held accountable for it after. One big big biggie is how he explicitly promised the Hispanic community that he would not be that kind of politician who made promises to get their votes and then violated the promises after he had them in his pocket. When he made a promise to them, he would meant it. He was very explicit that he would not treat them the way politicians have in the past. And in that context he made a carefully worded promise. He could not promise that comprehensive reform would be passed in his first year in office - that would have been unrealistic - but he explicitly promised that legislation would be introduced in that first year and he would throw his weight behind it.

    What good is all his skill at careful talk when at the end of the day he is exactly the kind of politician he explicitly promised that he would not be?

    Another biggie is in Dec. 2010 when he said he would not compromise on extending tax cuts for the wealthy and then wham bam before you could blink, he rolled on it. Didn't even try to fight for his promise.

    And his lack of transparency is a punchline to a very unfunny joke.

    There's more but this post has already become quite long.





    All that said ......

    I do not appreciate the Republicans being unwilling to find any common ground at all with Obama, but I do not like it on behalf of Americans such as myself. Obama himself is owed no bipartisanship. He lost the right to expect it by his partisan actions as a Senator, and by his partisan rhetoric after he took office. He has called us the enemy. I do not forgive him for that.

    But I still wish the Republicans in Washington would find more common ground with Democrats so that Americans could see a little bit of progress being made.
     
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    I wish the Democrats in Washington would find more common ground with Republicans so that Americans could see a little bit of progress being made.


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    Why is it that the Republicans ALWAYS have to compromise with the Democrats???

    Why NEVER the other way around?
     
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    Some things cannot be compromised on.....
     
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    I don't see that as being the case.

    I think the Democrats have done a lot of compromising. On some really sucky issues with really sucky results. The biggest being Obamacare. Their version of compromise was totally jerky - coming up with something which made almost no one happy - but we weren't helping them come up with anything better.

    "Do nothing" just wasn't a realistic option.

    So we could have rolled up our sleeves and made a case for intelligent compromise and a piecemeal approach on some parts where we could find common ground. If we did maybe we wouldn't have to be fighting Obamacare in the courts right now and maybe the nation might not be in such a case of PTSD.



    Maybe the Democratic hubris which came from having such huge majorities in both houses would still have won the day and still saddled us with that monstrosity or something else as bad. But I don't think we gave good reforms a fair shot.
     
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    But I liked your views on Obama more before the Pub Propaganda machine beat them within an inch of their lives....
     
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    Amelia my sweet.. There was no compromise with obamacare. it was voted in on the strict demonRat majority. they didn't compromise jack shit, in fact they closed the doors on the Republicans. Wake up. you're having a nightmare.
     
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    And that's where everything gets stuck. If you can't get past it yourself, how can you expect anybody else to do so?
     
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    I see why many Republicans say that. It FEELS that way. The Democrats were absolutely jerky about it. But they did make a lot of changes based on Republican requests.

    It still came across as, "I'm going to burglarize your house but I'll let you choose which room to start in." Or "I'm going to rape you but I'll let you have a pillow so you'll be more comfortable." I bet I felt just as violated as you did by the process. But I've seen itemized lists of changes they put in based on what they hoped would calm Republican concerns. I don't think it was all for the Blue Dogs. I think it was partly for us.

    They went about it totally the wrong way. But we didn't give them any hope that there would be a right way.
     
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    I can work with the guy without forgiving him for calling me the enemy. That is to say, I can hope that my representatives will craft bills which are passable which will be beneficial for the country, without smooching and schmoozing with him. It should be doable.
     

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