I know this is simple but.. who gets cancer most: smokers or non-smokers?

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    I know that sounds stupid BUT idiots who are so in favor of Obamacare specifically the ban on "pre-existing conditions" obviously have NO CLUE!

    If they did they would understand that now because of the ban insurance companies for example in the case of smokers will because they don't know who is and isn't will raise the rates for everyone! And that's because they don't know which policyholder will cost them more due to cancer caused by smoking!!

    I know that sounds too obvious BUT WAKE up people that's how it is!
    So today insurance companies are RAISING employer rates in order to cover:
    A) All applicants regardless of "pre-existing conditions"..i.e. smokers
    B) Adults up to age 26 on parents' policies!

    THESE two factors alone are RAISING employer rates and this didn't have to happen!


    Obamacare, the law’s architect, MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, was all over the op-ed pages, talking about how the bill would reduce the cost of health insurance. “What we know for sure,” he told Ezra Klein, “is that [the bill] will lower the cost of buying non-group health insurance.”

    It is important to recognize some limitations in our modeling of prices. In particular, given publicly available data we cannot incorporate the effects of the ban on pre-existing conditions exclusions. This ban will cause a rise in premiums as insurers are forced to cover conditions that they had previously excluded. In addition, there are new premium taxes on insurers that will raise premium rates…Overall, we cannot predict the net impacts of these factors on premiums without more analysis.

    How Obamacare Dramatically Increases the Cost of Insurance for Young Workers - Forbes
     
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    Who do you think pays for the cancer treatments of those who do NOT have health insurance?
     
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    I hear the incidence is unusually high among union workers; especially. shop stewards.
     
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    I switched to electronic cigarettes almost two years ago after 25 years of a pack and a half a day.

    I feel better than ever, saved tons of money and the e-cigs are a far more pleasurable experience.

    I recently purchased the Cadillac of E - cigs, the ProVari. Amazing device!

    No smoke, just flavored water vapor with nicotine...mmmmmmmm

    Oh and you do realize that smoking has never been considered a pre existing condition right? And smokers pay higher premiums? And that won't change under the Affordable Care Act right?
     
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    Many have no idea of how insurance works.
     
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    Yes, genetics often predisposes many to cancers or other problems.

    So do we do genetic testing for these predisposition markers and charge accordingly for insurance?
     
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    It seems there is absolutely no way to avoid some of your healthcare dollar going to pay for someone else's illness.
     
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    Who dies of circulatory or diabetic related problems the most? The Obese or the proper weight ones?

    Is obesity listed as a preexisting condition?
     
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    Why can't the rw's understand this very simple fact?

    And why are they so against personal responsibility?

    And, DAMMIT, WHY do they continue to demand that we pay more than any other developed country but get way less than they do?

    Why don't we deserve the same caliber of care that we taxpayers pay for our congress to get? If they're so damned against it, why don't they pay for their own? Why can't the whole country have the same high quality of health care coverage that Mass has?

    I friggin sick of paying for the rw's health care at the emergency room because they don't want to buy their own health insurance.
     
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    A Chinese study linked specific types of cancers to specific foods, particularly foods from animals.

    Perhaps we should deny health coverage to meat eaters and milk drinkers too.

    Sidebar:
    If you have streaming NetFlix, check out the documentary Forks over Knives. I'll never give up steak but it certainly makes a strong case for it.
     

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