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    http://www.abcactionnews.com/mostpopular/story.aspx?content_id=0cf42d39-be79-4ed0-903a-269a194c42f8

    Major Dennis, you're a top bloke.

     
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    Of course we don't care about slaughtering Iraqiis....that is what the US is all about...kill every one that is not like us and doesn't believe or think like us.....

    oops...that's the islamic extremists so never mind!

    I take it then its ok for those same extremists to slaughter Americans though at least in your book because "we deserve it".
     
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    Wow, you got all that from what I said? You give a whole new meaning to spin.

    I never said the U.S. didn't care about slaughtering Iraqis. I never said the U.S. killed everyone that isn't like "us." I never said "we deserve it."

    Now, what were you saying? I want you to go and add up all the murders/killings perpetuated by "Islamic extremists," then add up all the deaths perpetuated by the U.S. government. When you've got all that, compare the numbers. Tell me what you come up with. Let's see, we've killed over a million civilians in Iraq alone, I'd be interested to see similar figures the opposite direction.
     
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    First, show me the OFFICIAL source where you got that " over a million civilians in Iraq alone" .

    A quote from your post:

    "Now if only Americans were as concerned with the Iraqi civilians getting slaughtered by the truckload..."

    I understand that you think eveyone who disagrees with you is nothing but a rock with lips but that quote sure implies to me that you believe that Americans are NOT concerned about "truckloads" of Iraqi civilians being slaughtered.

    Granted, the rest I made up. I have to ask, however, why you think the US is killing millions instead of blaming the guys actually killing them...you know...the guys planting road side bombs and sending mentally ill people wearing suicide vests to the local market. Do you presume they are doing this because they are part of a great conspiracy concocted by some clandestine group desiring a "new world order" or what?


    As for spin, all I can say is I am trying to learn from folks like you who couldn't tell it straight if they wanted too.

    Finally, how many Iraqiis does a truck hold anyway? And after they are slaughtered, how many trucks does it take to haul that same load off to the dump?
     
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    In order for us to have killed 1 million civilians in the 5 years we have been there we would have had to kill 526 a day with a few extra thrown in.

    I think someone would have noticed that many dead bodies rotting in the streets, some hospital or morgue would have made out death certificates for them and the Iraq Government would have official figures supporting the claim.

    Now if we look at actual verifiable deaths it is no where near that number, I believe last year the Iraq Goverment listed under 60000 killed.

    Lets err on the side of the nay sayers though, shall we. I believe the most deaths ever claimed by the press was in the 200 250 range with lots of days with a hell of a lot less. So lets say 200 a day died due directly to the war. Of those 200 most would in fact have been killed by mortar attacks roadside bombs and suicide attacks. So we are down to maybe 50 as the most civilians ever actually claimed to have been killed directly by the US military.

    Now assuming that we managed to kill 50 a day every day for the last 5 years ( and of course no one actually noticed us or it would be in the paper every day and on the wire) that would be 91,250 dead civilians.

    Assuming 200 a day ( again a far fetched notion, since no such thing has been reported) that would be 365,000 dead.

    No where near a million. No where even near the 600000 the last politically motivated publication claimed.

    And of course no where near the number the Iraqi Government has records for.
     
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    I'm not talking a million civilians killed by bullets. I'm talking a million killed by a combination of pre-war bombing, destruction of public infrastructure and yes, the war. Add all that together, and you approach the figure of a million.

    http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnews/press_releases/2006/burnham_iraq_2006.html

    Don't kid yourself, secret bombing has been going on for years before the war started. Here's one time they got caught:

    http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/11574



    Let's take a closer look at my post. It takes an eye for detail to understand the English language sometimes. I'll help you out.

    A quote from my post:

    "Now if only Americans were as concerned with the Iraqi civilians getting slaughtered by the truckload..."


    The word "as" is pretty operative, because it implies both concern for the Iraqis on the part of Americans, as well as greater concern for trivial matters than important ones. Can we move on? Goody.



    Think about how much time we could save if you spared me the bullshit insinuations.

    Let me ask you this: Do you think more civilian casualties have resulted from the multi-billion dollar bombing campaigns and destruction of Iraqi public infrastructure like water sanitation, hospitals, etc, or from suicide bombers? I think you vastly overestimate how many suicide bombers there are. The majority of the people of Iraq are just people like you and me, stuck in the middle of a fucked up situation. A situation that has only worsened since the U.S. invasion. So carpet bombing major cities and "suspected terrorist hideouts" MIGHT not be the best policy if you're trying to prevent civilian casualties...


    If ever I've seen an empty and useless statement, this gotta be it. What are you actually saying here? "You're WRONG! And I'm RIGHT!"??? Talk about civilized discussion.

    What is that even supposed to mean? For your sake, I can only conclude you are joking..
     
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    As for your last sentence, you are the one who brought up truckloads of slaughtered Iraquiis. Or where you the one joking? It takes an eye for detail to understand and use the English language properly and precisely .... just trying to help you out. Based on your original assertion that "over a million Iraqiis were killed" (which is now "approaching a million"), I was trying to figure out how many trucks it takes to not only accomodate that death rate but also determine the possible impact on traffic flow within the country of Iraq. I had assumed you were seeking a serious "civilized debate" ... how silly of me!
     
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    ACTUALLY, yeah. I was pretty much joking around. The article was about a lost dog.. and I'm not the one who got serious with my allegations. YOU fabricated a nice fantasy position for me, which I then proceeded to debunk. That's how this got started.
     
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    http://www.justforeignpolicy.org/iraq/iraqdeaths.html

    Good hunting.

     

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