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PLEASE read the bolded enlarged sentence of mine above... and then don't EVER question my honesty or my intelligence again. The PEOPLE of CT are made up of democrats, republicans and independents. As it turned out, the republicans and some of the independents and moderate to conservative leaning democrats were FOR the war in Iraq... and they voted for Lieberman in the general election. There is no fairy tale here at all. Lieberman quit representing the base of his party and they decided not to nominate him. That is their right to do... and, as I said, I applaud them for forcing their candidates to run on their platform of beliefs. Anyone running as a democrat from Connecticut OUGHT to represent the beliefs of a majority of democrats in Conncecticut. period.
Lieberman was for the war....and that alone is why they turned their back on him. Lieberman didn't QUIT representing the base of the party. He voted with them
90% of the time....Does that sound like he quit representing the party???????
I just love how you lefties talk about diversity, and prove that you are anything but.
mainman....you may not be telling a fairy tale, but it's a doozy of a yarn.
if THE single most important issue for the base of the party was the Iraq war, all of Lieberman's votes on issues of lesser importance are fairly irrelevant.
If I ask you for an omelet, and you bring me the salt and the pepper and the scallions and the shredded cheese, but you don't bring any EGGS, I won't be impressed with all of the ancilliary ingredients.
...while voting with the dems about 95+ of the rest of the time.And as far as Lieberman goes, I'll admit that I personally was a bit pissed at him for the Bush/war thing,
...while voting with the dems about 95+ of the rest of the time.And as far as Lieberman goes, I'll admit that I personally was a bit pissed at him for the Bush/war thing,
Which party is it again that demands near total fealty to party first?
Now that the democrats scratched out one republican so they can call it bipartisan, there are no republicans in the closed door meetings. Sounds like she was the token. The bill that was passed is only going to be a shell by the time it is actually written on a piece of paper. Everyone talking about the cost being well below a trillion dollars....well that is going to be a little pipe dream by the time it's written. One more thing....just how much pork is going to be in this bill to buy Senate votes to get the number that they need? Yeah, the government really does have our best interests at heart, and if you believe that, I have some good swamp property to sell you. I'll send pictures.
Sounds like obama isn't going to be so transparent as he promised.
Ah yes..."Hope and Change"....my ass
What "Closed Door Meetings".
All proposals have been discussed, at length, in bipartisan committee. Thus Snowe was the swing vote in the bipartisan Senate Finance Committee.
How do you think the Republicans have been able to launch all these attacks on the proposals if they aren't allowed to hear them?
Where in hell do you think they are now with the bill? Closed doors...geeze.
That bill is going to have amendments....and costs added to it, before it ever hits the Senate floor.
Uh-huh....But you have no power within the party itself, which dropped Lieberman like a hot potato for not being a party man lemming....while voting with the dems about 95+ of the rest of the time.And as far as Lieberman goes, I'll admit that I personally was a bit pissed at him for the Bush/war thing,
Which party is it again that demands near total fealty to party first?
I was pissed because in my opinion he wasn't representing his constituency, not because he wasn't toeing the party line.
Which is why I stopped being pissed when it was proved that my assumption was wrong, thus the second part of the post that you left out...
What "Closed Door Meetings".
All proposals have been discussed, at length, in bipartisan committee. Thus Snowe was the swing vote in the bipartisan Senate Finance Committee.
How do you think the Republicans have been able to launch all these attacks on the proposals if they aren't allowed to hear them?
Where in hell do you think they are now with the bill? Closed doors...geeze.
That bill is going to have amendments....and costs added to it, before it ever hits the Senate floor.
Your inference was that they are locking out Republicans from said meetings. I see no evidence of that.
Inference???
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Uh-huh....But you have no power within the party itself, which dropped Lieberman like a hot potato for not being a party man lemming....while voting with the dems about 95+ of the rest of the time.
Which party is it again that demands near total fealty to party first?
I was pissed because in my opinion he wasn't representing his constituency, not because he wasn't toeing the party line.
Which is why I stopped being pissed when it was proved that my assumption was wrong, thus the second part of the post that you left out...
Except that there's no "far right" left on the GOP.Dude, you are 100% right about Lieberman. And that is exactly what was going to happen to Arlen Specter: the far right was going to punish him in PA.
In other words, both parties do it.
Another GOP senator open to health overhaul - Health care reform- msnbc.com
...Wednesday, Snowe tackled the most divisive issue still on the table: creation of a government insurance plan that would compete with private ones.
While emphasizing that she still opposes the so-called public option, Snowe said in a nationally broadcast interview that she could foresee a government-run plan that would "kick in" if private insurers failed to live up to expectations that they keep premiums in check.
"I think the government would have a disproportionate advantage" in the event of a government-run option, Snowe acknowledged. At the same time, she added, "I want to make sure the insurance industry performs, and that's why we eliminate many egregious practices."
If the industry didn't follow through on congressionally-mandated changes aimed at making health care more affordable, she said, "then you could have the public option kick in immediately."
Snowe previously had proposed using the public option as an incentive, or a threat, to private insurers. This "trigger" option, or some version of it, has survived the bitter debate and scrutiny to remain a viable option for compromise...
Have a possible Public Option that would only kick in if the Private Insurers fail to meet their promises?
Now, I have to say, that is an excellent idea.
Private Insurers would never let a Public Option happen if they could avoid it, and so they would have to start being responsible.
Lieberman was for the war....and that alone is why they turned their back on him. Lieberman didn't QUIT representing the base of the party. He voted with them
90% of the time....Does that sound like he quit representing the party???????
I just love how you lefties talk about diversity, and prove that you are anything but.
mainman....you may not be telling a fairy tale, but it's a doozy of a yarn.
if THE single most important issue for the base of the party was the Iraq war, all of Lieberman's votes on issues of lesser importance are fairly irrelevant.
If I ask you for an omelet, and you bring me the salt and the pepper and the scallions and the shredded cheese, but you don't bring any EGGS, I won't be impressed with all of the ancilliary ingredients.
Spin and deflect all you want mainman....but I know a yarn when I hear one.
if THE single most important issue for the base of the party was the Iraq war, all of Lieberman's votes on issues of lesser importance are fairly irrelevant.
If I ask you for an omelet, and you bring me the salt and the pepper and the scallions and the shredded cheese, but you don't bring any EGGS, I won't be impressed with all of the ancilliary ingredients.
Spin and deflect all you want mainman....but I know a yarn when I hear one.
yet you cannot defend against my premise. in 2006, THE most important issue for democrats was the war in Iraq... and I don't give a fuck how many ancillary votes Joe Lieberman cast with the democrats, he was WITH George Bush on THE single most inportant issue... and that cost him the support of CT democrats and ultimately, the nomination. And if we somehow get ourselves another democrat in the senate so that Leiberman makes 61, I hope like hell that Reid strips him of his committee chairmanship and kicks his disloyal ass out of the democratic caucus. We don't need democrats to be 100% loyal... we really only need them to be about 51% loyal, but they GOTTA be loyal on the BIG stuff or they don't deserve to run as a democrat.
Except that there's no "far right" left on the GOP.Dude, you are 100% right about Lieberman. And that is exactly what was going to happen to Arlen Specter: the far right was going to punish him in PA.
In other words, both parties do it.
They're all quasi-leftist statists.
Besides, Right-wingers can fall into dictatorship just as fast as Left-Wingers. Right-wingers just want to control the Morality of a country rather than the economy. In other words, a capitalist police-state.
They just don't leave control of business to the government.
One can certainly have a totalitarian government without socialism.
It could also take the shape of a full-blown theocracy.
Another GOP senator open to health overhaul - Health care reform- msnbc.com
...Wednesday, Snowe tackled the most divisive issue still on the table: creation of a government insurance plan that would compete with private ones.
While emphasizing that she still opposes the so-called public option, Snowe said in a nationally broadcast interview that she could foresee a government-run plan that would "kick in" if private insurers failed to live up to expectations that they keep premiums in check.
"I think the government would have a disproportionate advantage" in the event of a government-run option, Snowe acknowledged. At the same time, she added, "I want to make sure the insurance industry performs, and that's why we eliminate many egregious practices."
If the industry didn't follow through on congressionally-mandated changes aimed at making health care more affordable, she said, "then you could have the public option kick in immediately."
Snowe previously had proposed using the public option as an incentive, or a threat, to private insurers. This "trigger" option, or some version of it, has survived the bitter debate and scrutiny to remain a viable option for compromise...
Have a possible Public Option that would only kick in if the Private Insurers fail to meet their promises?
Now, I have to say, that is an excellent idea.
Private Insurers would never let a Public Option happen if they could avoid it, and so they would have to start being responsible.
People in new england unaffectionately refer to her as a RINO
"Far right" republicans in New England?!?!?.....Shirley, you jest.A very few far right Republicans in New England refer to her as a RINO. She's safe in her seat, and they are left out in the cold.
