I hate Veteran's Day

[bloodribbon]

There should be nothing short of contempt for Veteran's Day. As long as it is not a day in fierce opposition to war, what the hell is it? How can you honor veterans if not by advocating the abolishment of war? Instead it's like a superficial pat on the back, gee nice job, we really appreciate it. This is such unthinking lunacy, do you remember Vietnam? The staggering loss of life? What was that for? Iraq, Afghanistan?

Does anyone think anymore? Military personnel should ask themselves if there are legitimate reasons for the war in Afghanistan. Can you clearly state them and argue them to the opposition, can you support them with an ethical basis that would justify merciless acts of war? Does the global war on terror sound legitimate, or does it sound more like a propaganda line? There are avenues of discourse to have a critical discussion, but no, let's not even have that discussion. No let's honor the troops, support them, praise them, drown them in Old Glory. And yet and yet, who sends us to war? Politicians. Who trusts politicians? None of this makes any sense at all. If the foreign policy of America is evil, then our troops are dispatchers of evil. You can support a friend who is an addict without supporting their addiction.

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think" - Hitler

 

[JWBooth]

It started out as Armistice and/or Remembrance Day.
To honor the end of the war to end all wars.

 

[California Girl]

Ohhhh look! A sock! We haven't seen one of those for... well.... it must be hours!

Hi connie! Do the board a favor and fuck off, mmmk?

 

[bloodribbon]

What?

 

[daveman]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

 

[daveman]

What?

 

[California Girl]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

Meh, it's a previously banned poster who just can't bear to be away from the gang.

Sad, pathetic little critter who is just desperate for attention.

 

[daveman]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

Meh, it's a previously banned poster who just can't bear to be away from the gang.

Sad, pathetic little critter who is just desperate for attention.

Cry "Havoc!!" and let slip the dogs of mockery!

 

[Si modo]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

Meh, it's a previously banned poster who just can't bear to be away from the gang.

Sad, pathetic little critter who is just desperate for attention.

Con job?

 

[bloodribbon]

That's such a deranged response I'm not even going to go there

 

[California Girl]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

Meh, it's a previously banned poster who just can't bear to be away from the gang.

Sad, pathetic little critter who is just desperate for attention.

Con job?

That's what I'm smelling.

 

[Si modo]

Meh, it's a previously banned poster who just can't bear to be away from the gang.

Sad, pathetic little critter who is just desperate for attention.

Con job?

That's what I'm smelling.

What a freak he is.

Funny, just last week he was saying (somewhere else ) that he would never sock here again. I think you have that first-hand knowledge, too.

 

[daveman]

That's such a deranged response I'm not even going to go there

You write the OP and then say someone else is deranged?




Run along, you stupid hippie. Pardon the redundancy.

 

[geauxtohell]

There should be nothing short of contempt for Veteran's Day. As long as it is not a day in fierce opposition to war, what the hell is it? How can you honor veterans if not by advocating the abolishment of war? Instead it's like a superficial pat on the back, gee nice job, we really appreciate it. This is such unthinking lunacy, do you remember Vietnam? The staggering loss of life? What was that for? Iraq, Afghanistan?

Does anyone think anymore? Military personnel should ask themselves if there are legitimate reasons for the war in Afghanistan. Can you clearly state them and argue them to the opposition, can you support them with an ethical basis that would justify merciless acts of war? Does the global war on terror sound legitimate, or does it sound more like a propaganda line? There are avenues of discourse to have a critical discussion, but no, let's not even have that discussion. No let's honor the troops, support them, praise them, drown them in Old Glory. And yet and yet, who sends us to war? Politicians. Who trusts politicians? None of this makes any sense at all. If the foreign policy of America is evil, then our troops are dispatchers of evil. You can support a friend who is an addict without supporting their addiction.

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think" - Hitler

In November 1919, President Wilson proclaimed November 11 as the first commemoration of Armistice Day with the following words: "To us in America, the reflections of Armistice Day will be filled with solemn pride in the heroism of those who died in the country’s service and with gratitude for the victory, both because of the thing from which it has freed us and because of the opportunity it has given America to show her sympathy with peace and justice in the councils of the nations…"

History of Veterans Day - Office of Public and Intergovernmental Affairs

Every day I drive by the World War I National Memorial in Kansas City. Last night and today the flame was lit.

Veteran's day isn't about the war du joir. It's about recognition of the sacrifices everyone who served made. Whether you agree with the War du Joir or Viet Nam, in the end there has to be some basic respect for the simple fact that men and women were willing to go when their country asked.

That basic willingess is what keeps us viable as a nation, even if the conflicts aren't always just.

As a brother of mine opined today: I am thankful for the Viet Nam vets. They were treated like shit when they got home by an ungrateful public and in response fought to ensure the rest of us never had to experience that.

Get over yourself.

 

[JWBooth]

"War is a racket. It always has been. It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives. A racket is best described, I believe, as something that is not what it seems to the majority of the people. Only a small 'inside' group knows what it is about. It is conducted for the benefit of the very few, at the expense of the very many. Out of war a few people make huge fortunes."

Marine Major General Smedley Butler

 

[Toro]

God bless our veterans.

 

[California Girl]

Con job?

That's what I'm smelling.

What a freak he is.

Funny, just last week he was saying (somewhere else ) that he would never sock here again. I think you have that first-hand knowledge, too.

 

[Toro]

I don't think its Connie.

 

[earlycuyler]

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things, the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth a war, is much worse. When a people are used as mere human instruments for firing cannon or thrusting bayonets, in the service and for the selfish purposes of a master, such war degrades a people. A war to protect other human beings against tyrannical injustice; a war to give victory to their own ideas of right and good, and which is their own war, carried on for an honest purpose by their free choice, — is often the means of their regeneration. A man who has nothing which he is willing to fight for, nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety, is a miserable creature who has no chance of being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.”
― John Stuart Mill


Looks like Mill nailed you, bloodribbon.

Ya, Mill was ok for a British libo.

 

[techieny]

There should be nothing short of contempt for Veteran's Day. As long as it is not a day in fierce opposition to war, what the hell is it? How can you honor veterans if not by advocating the abolishment of war? Instead it's like a superficial pat on the back, gee nice job, we really appreciate it. This is such unthinking lunacy, do you remember Vietnam? The staggering loss of life? What was that for? Iraq, Afghanistan?

Does anyone think anymore? Military personnel should ask themselves if there are legitimate reasons for the war in Afghanistan. Can you clearly state them and argue them to the opposition, can you support them with an ethical basis that would justify merciless acts of war? Does the global war on terror sound legitimate, or does it sound more like a propaganda line? There are avenues of discourse to have a critical discussion, but no, let's not even have that discussion. No let's honor the troops, support them, praise them, drown them in Old Glory. And yet and yet, who sends us to war? Politicians. Who trusts politicians? None of this makes any sense at all. If the foreign policy of America is evil, then our troops are dispatchers of evil. You can support a friend who is an addict without supporting their addiction.

"How fortunate for leaders that men do not think" - Hitler

Servicemen and women do have questions. The difference between them and you is when they're called they do their duty. They provide the means for jerks like you to sound off. It's called freedom. In the military it IS always duty first!