I guess stealing the buffalo and the land wasn't enough

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    Now they want to cut in to yet another profitable venue that the native americans dominate in.

    http://www.modbee.com/local/story/8024495p-8887980c.html

    PALM SPRINGS -- Confronted with a proposed initiative to end their voter-approved monopoly on slot machines, California Indian casino tribes have begun assembling an arsenal that includes legal challenges, lots of money -- and possibly an initiative of their own.
    "This is clearly the first step toward a massive expansion of non-Indian gaming in the state," California Nations Indian Gaming Association Chairman Anthony Miranda told attendees last week at the ninth annual Western Indian Gaming Conference.

    "It goes without saying that this initiative must be resisted."

    The proposed measure, drafted and bankrolled by the state's horse racing and card room industries, would require California tribes with casinos to contribute 25 percent of their revenues to the state and meet other requirements.

    If any one tribe failed to do so, or if the proposed initiative were thwarted by the governor, Legislature, federal government or courts, five racetracks and 11 card rooms would be allowed to have a total of as many as 30,000 slot machines.

    Once the measure is certified by the state attorney general, which should occur next week, proponents must gather about 665,000 valid signatures of registered voters to put the plan on the November ballot.

    Racetracks and card rooms long have complained that they are handicapped in selling their gambling products because only Indian tribes can operate slot machines, and only on federally recognized tribal lands. Slots are the single most lucrative gambling device in the country.

    But the tribes, most of them in rural areas, fear slots at tracks and card rooms in urban areas would cut deeply into their business.

    Tuolumne County is home to two Indian casinos: Black Oak Casino in Tuolumne City and Chicken Ranch Bingo & Casino in Jamestown.

    "This is self-preservation for the tribes, and they are going to take this as seriously as they need to," said Howard Dickstein, a Sacramento attorney who represents five casino tribes, including some in Placer, Yolo and Amador counties.

    Tribal officials and their attorneys are working on a strategy to defeat the proposed initiative. Part of that, sources said, could be for the tribes to sponsor their own initiative that would let voters decide some details of compacts between the tribes and the state, including extending the length of the current compacts, which expire in 2020.
     
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    I have no sympathy for either gambling establishment on either side of the argument. They're as good as drug dealers.
     
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    not discounting your opinion on that, but can you explain why you feel that way?
     
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    I don't drink or smoke nor have I ever taken drugs. But once a year I go to Vegas for a bit of fun. How in the world does that compare with drug dealers?
     
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    last I knew gambling was STILL legal in Nevada...plus numerous other states...if you choose not to gamble fine...but dont condemn those of us that do from time to time...comparing gambling to drug-dealers is saying that all gamblers are drug-addicts...
     
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    Going to Vegas requires saving up money and making a special trip, like any other vacation. When it's just around the corner from your house, it's easy to make more frequent trips and to blow all of your available funds - the same as if you have a drug problem and there's a drug dealer nearby.
     
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    Gambling is a vice. It's only method of profit is to find the most high probability chance for patrons to lose money and for the casino to make money. Especially with the old and the desparate, it is a vehicle to connive people into believing they might actually benefit from putting coin in a slot. That's why Las Vegas makes money rather than loses it. I personally think every river boat casino should be sent up river.

    In response to the thing about taxes:

    I think the reserves should have equal tax limitations as non-reserve gambling establishments BUT with two exceptions:

    1. depending on the percentage difference in what kind of social programs reserves receive (are there none?)

    2. natives of the reserve should not be taxed for gambling at reserve casinos. that money stays in the tribe.
     
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    So because some people are weak willed, that makes a legal occupation the same as an illegal one? You are not only reaching, it's laugable.
     
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    Gambling casinos are entertainment. Movie theatres make money- are they drug dealers in disguise too? Restaurants make money- are they? Just because my form of entertainment involves games where there's actually a chance of winning back the cost of playing, no matter how slim, doesn't make those offering them drug dealers.
     
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    No, it doesn't make them equivalent. And I was just playing the devil's advocate and supplying the link you asked for. :p:
     

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