I fight fair...do you?

[Hobbit]

Jim's a board admin? Wow, this gets juicier by the minute.

 

[5stringJeff]

Jim is the board admin. Not the kind of guy to piss off.

 

[jimnyc]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
I see SO many of your posts JimNYC and do you know why I RARELY respond to any of them? Because they are the stupid droolings of an intellectual midget. I'll use this post to illustrate my point. You wrote 3 sentences and said, at least, 5 stupid things. Now that's talent!

You rarely respond because you're a fucking idiot. Allow me to prove it...

ONE: You say that it is Bill Clinton's fault that terrorists piloted a floating bomb into the USS Cole. Ok then, by that logic, it is then George Bush's fault that terrorists flew commercial airliners as missiles into the Trade Center and Pentagon. Wouldn't you agree? No? Oh. I'm enlightened to see that they hypocracy and duplicity of the GOP leadership is shared by thier GOPhers.

I stated Clinton fucked up by not properly retaliating for the bombings. Are you that stupid that you couldn't comprehend a couple of short sentences? And it's spelled "HYPOCRISY", idiot. And I believe thier should actually be spelled their.

TWO: Are you insinuating that Bush shouldn't have done anything since it was on Clintons watch? I sure hope, a little puzzy boy like you gets, somehow forced or tricked into the Military and you gets killed near the time of the 'cusp' of a new Presidential Administration and no action is taken to make sure your death wasn't in vein. If you subscribe to such non-sense thinking you should fall victim to it.

Again, did you read what I wrote? Where did I mention anything about Bush not doing anything since Clinton fucked up? And it should have been "Clinton's", asswipe. You are one stupid fucker!

THREE: Authorities have found, captured, prosecuted and incarcerated most of the masterminds behind the '93 Trade Center bombing. Did you sleep through the last decade?

Who was the ultimate mastermind? OSAMA BIN LADEN. What has Clinton done, besides turning down an offer 3 times to have him turned over to the USA? Have you even graduated junior high school yet?

FOUR: Clinton did not do anything about the USS Cole. The link I posted talked about that. IT WAS THE VERY CRUX OF THE POINT OF MY POST!!!!! Clinton talked about not retaliating for the bombing of the USS Cole (since you didn't read it, or understand it or something) because the intelligence did not conclusively point to Al-Queda while he was in office. I can't abide by that story. There must have, at least been a 'purponderance of evidence' at the time he was still in office, and he should have used what he had for en excusse for a strike. Even if, afterward, it turned out they didn't do it...could the final results be bad anyway you go about it? We still hit an enemy that had struck us before and will try to continue to do so.

Bullshit, you living anal plug!

And it's spelled "excuse", you illiterate fuck. I think you also meant "preponderance". Tell your worthless mommy to get a job so that she can afford to send you back for your GED.

FIVE: I admit assuming this, but it's not like you don't give me AMPLE reason to do so....You sound as if Clinton never did anything to terrorists, Al-Queda or Osama Bin Ladin. He only tried to kill Osama Bin Ladin 3 times, made 2 bombing strikes on Al-Queda strong holds and coreographed a multi-national task force from the various international police agencies to track and disable the Al-Queda network through a multi-tude of ways. A system that NEVER EXISTED until Clinton took power.

Sure, and I suppose he turned down an offer 3 times to have Osama turned over because he wanted him dead so badly!

It's spelled "choreographed", stupid. And why would you spell multitude as multi-tude?

See why I don't respond to many of your posts? I don't have the time to constantly respond to all your illogical falisies and B.S.

falisies? How about "fallacies", you brain dead monkey.

You are clearly an uneducated moron. I'll freely admit that there have been plenty before you that have been more ignorant than yourself but you are easily the stupidest motherfucker that has ever been to this board.

 

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actually, Jim...point of order - a lot of states offer FREE GED prep-classes. There's a good chance his momma doesn't HAVE to get off the streets. :-D

 

[Hobbit]

*grabs popcorn*

:cof:

I think Jeff here is probably the most inflammatory person who ever posted twice, and now that we've significantly 'ripped him a new one,' I wonder if he's going to come down out of that tower before we toss him out.

 

[jeffperkinstech]

rtwngAvngr: Glad to see someone that engages debate like I do. I had not seen any of your posts yet or talked with you before so I only have this dialog to go on. If what you claim about how you go about things is true

I look at each argument individually as a logical argument. I don't believe in attempting to disqualify the entirety of an individual based on his patterns of belief

, then we will have a civil exchange of ideas, no matter how far apart they might be. But your actions have to match your words

like you seem so proud of doing. Frankly, I don't believe you could deconstruct the point at the top of your own head.

if you want to be believed.

Hobbit:

On a side note, you criticize us for being sheep because we tend to agree with conservative/liberal values most of the time while you have your own ideas, but if we agreed with you, wouldn't that make us sheep?

GREAT point! I would only say that I think the difference is that the values of Conservative\Liberal party lines are not good for the majority of Americans and our lives. If we could just PICK AND CHOOSE pieces of the Liberal values that (sorry guys facts are facts) HAVE worked for US and Conservative values that have worked for US and throw out everything else, surplanting those discarded ideals with those other ideals that belong to other political policies that have worked for other countries that have either avoided or solved problems we currently suffer under domestically.

Now, once and for all, stop insulting all of us and try to have a more civil conversation.

DON'T ATTACK ME AND I WILL NOT ATTACK YOU. Very simple. I will not have my hands tied while stones are thown in my face. For those of you that have not attacked me personally (of which here there are few, but I don't believe you have Hobbit) I apologize. For the rest of you, I will give back, at least, as good as I get. Want to knock the childish name calling off? Then stop it yourself.

NewGuy:

Folks, keep in mind the potential age group we are working with.

Nice qualifing tactics you use. Desparate tools of the foolhearty. I bet those here of my age or less that are in your Conservative camp feel real good about your drol comparisions you draw between age and mentality. And for the record I am 29. Also, I see you use the same media tactics your propaganda post FOX news uses to spew lies to the American public under the guise of 'Journalisim' by taking a part of a volly of barbs that me and Sir_Evil were exchanging and pulling it WAY out of context. On a side note....my 29 years are worth more than many peoples 50 years of life. I have lived through more than my fair share and am very well traveled (and not in the sense of a tourist).

Not to mention being morally bankrupt if not able to commit to defining right and wrong.

YOUR the one morally bankrupt. I know this Earthly life is rewarding greed and corruption...but you just wait. This is NOT the way of things in our next eternal life and by the time you get there it will be too late to change your ways and your heart. He will have already have put his judgement upon you. I am the son of a pastor. That, by NO STRECH OF THE IMMAGINATION, mean I am an angel. Oh, quite the contrary. I am as flawed and sinfull as everyone else. However I don't try and disguise my sins in money, success and rightousness. I don't use God's word against Him and what He wants from us. I refuse to be a stumbling block for new and potential Christians. I also will not be a party to the theft of anothers God given free agentcy as part of Satan's plan to unsurp our salvation by not making moral individual choices free. What is the value of a 'good decision' if you were forced to make it? NONE!

Avatar4321: Save your BS for someone that will fall for it. You are the most arrogant of them all and most don't realize it. You and all the other 'black and white' thinkers are just SO wise aren't you? Of all the complex and complicated issues of not only this day but of all the days before this one, you and Bill O'Rielley just have it ALL figured out don't you? Forget about the collective intelligence that exists today that can't wrap thier heads around all these problems plus all of the generations of intelligence that has already past. Oh yes, you are just so enlightened over the rest of us. So since you are so wise and all knowing, what I am going to say to you next will be nothing new.

Black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left....these are all examples of TWO DIMENSIONAL THINKING. Take any collage course that deals with this subject matter and the consensous is that Two Dimensional Thinking is an inferior mentality to most other ways of decision making. Ever notice on a true or false test that words like 'always', 'never', 'every' and 'nothing' usually indicated a 'false' answer? That is because those words are called absolutes. Just like black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left.

Further more you are just another person that tries to use Biblical mandate to force a personal morality code on all those that live, dispite thier personal belief system. And you talk about freedom. I am always amazed at the person that crys freedom at the start of a paragraph and then revokes freedom by the end of it.

As for the rest of you my previous post should be rebuttal enough.

 

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Originally posted by Hobbit
*grabs popcorn*

We need this smilie - what with the drama that happens here

 

[_dmp_]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
DON'T ATTACK ME AND I WILL NOT ATTACK YOU.

Very REPUBLICAN of you - See? you ALMOST get it... A TRUE Liberal would say "Go ahead and attack me, I won't fight back!"

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
Very simple. I will not have my hands tied while stones are thown in my face.

At the same time?

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech

For those of you that have not attacked me personally (of which here there are few, but I don't believe you have Hobbit) I apologize. For the rest of you, I will give back, at least, as good as I get. Want to knock the childish name calling off? Then stop it yourself.

Your grammar is weird.

I think you're dumb, too!

 

[Hobbit]

You still come off as sounding arrogant. Maybe it's unintentional, but it's something you should work on. Be confident, but not arrogant. Stand behind your views, but don't assume they are absolutely correct. This is the key to civil debating.

 

[5stringJeff]

Another point of order... can we please call me Jeff, and call this other dude something else? JPTech, JPT, Tech, Perkins... anything but Jeff? Please?

And, BTW, JPT, I see that you totally dodged my two replies to your posts. Are you going to ignore the debate?

 

[OCA]

Everybody get your licks in while you can, i've got a feeling this condescending, arrogant, illiterate 29 year old sack of manure is spending his last day at USMB.

BTW JEFF i've been designated the official USMB GOP attack dog and hatchet man and i'm going to perform the job with relish and vigor. You are officially a stupid fuck until you can come up with one realistic thought and then construct and spell the paragraph correctly.

BTW there are black and white absolutes in America, check our laws out. It is people like you who would allow any behavior based upon personal feelings that are destroying society daily

 

[NewGuy]

Oh, quite the contrary. I am as flawed and sinfull as everyone else. However I don't try and disguise my sins in money, success and rightousness. I don't use God's word against Him and what He wants from us. I refuse to be a stumbling block for new and potential Christians.

Ok. So you would claim to be a believer in a Christian God. -Probably a Christian yourself by your admission.

Black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left....these are all examples of TWO DIMENSIONAL THINKING. Take any collage course that deals with this subject matter and the consensous is that Two Dimensional Thinking is an inferior mentality to most other ways of decision making. Ever notice on a true or false test that words like 'always', 'never', 'every' and 'nothing' usually indicated a 'false' answer? That is because those words are called absolutes. Just like black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left.

Ok. The Bible defines a right and wrong, and absolutes. How do you justify this?

Further more you are just another person that tries to use Biblical mandate to force a personal morality code on all those that live, dispite thier personal belief system. And you talk about freedom. I am always amazed at the person that crys freedom at the start of a paragraph and then revokes freedom by the end of it.

Christ cried out, gave us freedom, and does it by Biblical mandate as he IS the Word.

Would you care to enlighten us on how your understanding of the Bible can prove you anything other than at odds with God?

 

[Hobbit]

Originally posted by gop_jeff
Another point of order... can we please call me Jeff, and call this other dude something else? JPTech, JPT, Tech, Perkins... anything but Jeff? Please?

Sorry, Jeff's easier to remember. I can usually tell who's being addressed by context, though. For example, "Jeff, that's a good point, but the Democrats are trying to push a social reform that would allow thousands of impoverished people to get off the streets and get a job," would be directed at you, wheras, "Jeff, you are an arrogant, condescending idiot who ignores half of people's refutations in order to make yourself look better, and you still fail. If you'd consider looking at it from another point of view for two seconds instead of looking down on everybody, we might take you seriously," would be directed at JeffPT over there.

 

[Joan]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
I see SO many of your posts JimNYC and do you know why I RARELY respond to any of them? Because they are the stupid droolings of an intellectual midget. I'll use this post to illustrate my point. You wrote 3 sentences and said, at least, 5 stupid things. Now that's talent!

Might I be the first one to suggest you purchase a Fleet Enema, as you my friend are so full of shit, it's pouring out of your eyeballs.

 

[Avatar4321]

Originally posted by jeffperkinstech
rtwngAvngr: Avatar4321: Save your BS for someone that will fall for it. You are the most arrogant of them all and most don't realize it.

Translation: I cant actually deal with what you said so I am relying on personal attacks instead.

You and all the other 'black and white' thinkers are just SO wise aren't you? Of all the complex and complicated issues of not only this day but of all the days before this one, you and Bill O'Rielley just have it ALL figured out don't you?

What the heck does O'Reilly have to do with anything? I couldn't care less what he thinks. He is too inconsistant.

But if you think these issues are so complex. Tell me whats not black and white about the issues i mentioned. Take Abortion. a very black and white issue. You are either in favor of it. or you arent. What other view can you have on it? Limited government. What choices are there other than for it or against it? Tell me id love to know. And the most important issue. Freedom. You are either for fighting for it, or you are for fighting against it. Where is the middle ground? Im giving you ample chance to prove me wrong assuming you are still around. I am not going anywhere.

Forget about the collective intelligence that exists today that can't wrap thier heads around all these problems plus all of the generations of intelligence that has already past.

What problems havent the collective intelligence understood? The collective intelligence of the last 6000 years has handled the problems they have faced already and despite what you might think we are facing similar problems as those who came before us. What gets me is why people continue to pursue policies history has shown us are destructive. Particularlly appeasement and socialism. Both are miserable failures and have cost the lives of millions of people yet we have a whole political party that is still pushing that agenda.

Oh yes, you are just so enlightened over the rest of us. So since you are so wise and all knowing, what I am going to say to you next will be nothing new.

It hasnt been new so far. name calling is never new. When you get older i hope you gain alittle understanding on how to communicate with people. its very important in this information oriented world.

Black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left....these are all examples of TWO DIMENSIONAL THINKING. Take any collage course that deals with this subject matter and the consensous is that Two Dimensional Thinking is an inferior mentality to most other ways of decision making. Ever notice on a true or false test that words like 'always', 'never', 'every' and 'nothing' usually indicated a 'false' answer? That is because those words are called absolutes. Just like black and white, yes or no, true or false, Right or Left.

What you dont seem to get is when you have a choice there always is a better option. Whether its between good and evil, good or greater good, or evil or greater evil. There is always a better choice to make. There are absolute truths. whether you want to admit them or not there are. the concept of relative truth is disprovable with the simplist of logic. By refusing to admit the existance of absolute truth, there is nothing to anchor you in reality.

On a side note: I laughed when he said i was the most arrogant person on this board. that would be a cool title to have.

 

[Avatar4321]

Further more you are just another person that tries to use Biblical mandate to force a personal morality code on all those that live, dispite thier personal belief system. And you talk about freedom. I am always amazed at the person that crys freedom at the start of a paragraph and then revokes freedom by the end of it.

What are you talking about here? most of the time i get critisized for not relying on the Bible enough. And forcing peope to live by a certain standard is impossible. But to tell a society that they cant dictate the rules that govern them isnt freedom, its tyranny. And ignoring the rule of law isnt freedom either, its anarchy.