I Don't Understand NUDISM...

[Procrustes Stretched]

Because not everyone wants to be forced to look at other people's bodies. I consider it an imposition, if not an outright invasion, to have such things forced on me. It should be my choice whether or not I have that level of intimacy with you.

While I am annoyed by the public displays of affection that approach sexual intimacy I do know that I can avert my eyes or walk away/ It is when I can't that I approach the prudish attitude you put on public display. and as a matter of fact "I consider it an imposition, if not an outright invasion, to have such things forced on me. It should be my choice whether or not I have that level of intimacy with you."

 

[Cecilie1200]

While I am annoyed by the public displays of affection that approach sexual intimacy I do know that I can avert my eyes or walk away/ It is when I can't that I approach the prudish attitude you put on public display. and as a matter of fact "I consider it an imposition, if not an outright invasion, to have such things forced on me. It should be my choice whether or not I have that level of intimacy with you."

Walking away isn't always a valid option, and I think it's damned inconsiderate to put other people in the position of HAVING to walk away when it's a public place. Get a freaking room, y'know? I don't think there's anything prudish about saying that I should get to decide whether or not I want to see someone's nude body or not, and whether or not I want to watch two people going at each other like a pair of boa constrictors trying to swallow each other or not. Voyeurism, like all other sexual practices, should be voluntary.

 

[Procrustes Stretched]

Walking away isn't always a valid option, and I think it's damned inconsiderate to put other people in the position of HAVING to walk away when it's a public place. Get a freaking room, y'know? I don't think there's anything prudish about saying that I should get to decide whether or not I want to see someone's nude body or not, and whether or not I want to watch two people going at each other like a pair of boa constrictors trying to swallow each other or not. Voyeurism, like all other sexual practices, should be voluntary.

oy vey!

bwahahahahahaha, voyerism? methinks you have it all backwards.

go figure




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reading and comprehension 101:

"Walking away isn't always a valid option" -ahem

I acknowledged as much here: "I do know that I can avert my eyes or walk away/ It is when I can't that I approach the prudish attitude you put on public display."

 

[YWN666]

I took a walk on the beach and found myself walking through a nude beach. Not what I expected. They were all fat old men laying on their backs. Ring toss, anyone?

 

[catzmeow]

Hmm. I'll just let that one slide.

I bash you, Sky, but it ain't because you're a dyke.

 

[catzmeow]

I have to disagree, Pale. Having been married for fourteen years, my husband and I see each other naked all the time without a sexual connotation being attached to it - usually - and what happens is that your brain learns to respond to it sexually if it's intended in a sexual way. I'd be in a bad way if I got massively turned on every time I walked into our shared bathroom while he was showering, or into our bedroom while he was changing clothes, because obviously we can't have sex as often as we happen to encounter each other unclothed. This is not to say I don't always have an aesthetic appreciation of his body, because he's a handsome man, but I'm a thinking adult. I SHOULD have more control over my own libido and body than that.

I've been there, done that, married for 12 years. And, if I ever marry again, I will do things differently. I will preserve a greater degree of modesty/privacy between my husband and I so that the mystery is maintained. And, I'm not saying that every instance of nudity should lead to sex, but moreso, that naked should be an event, not something that desensitizes us to each other's specialness. And, I would do it not for ME, but for him, because men are so visual, and that's something that needs to be cherished.

 

[catzmeow]

While I am annoyed by the public displays of affection that approach sexual intimacy I do know that I can avert my eyes or walk away/ It is when I can't that I approach the prudish attitude you put on public display. and as a matter of fact "I consider it an imposition, if not an outright invasion, to have such things forced on me. It should be my choice whether or not I have that level of intimacy with you."

I'm not annoyed or put off by this, nor does nudity in any form really bother me. Human bodies after all, are just bodies, and I'm not a prude about them. I just prefer not to see them. For me, that is a level of intimacy that I don't wish to share with everyone.

 

[007]

you need to STFU on this subject. I love nude camp grounds. Most all the uptight assholes in the world stay away. It's not only relaxing it's sort of spiritual. Like Adam and Eve in the garden. get it?


you poor dear.

And you need to check your bull shit, smart ass attitude at the fuckin' door. Go lip off to your mama... I don't need it pin head.

 

[007]

I have to disagree, Pale. Having been married for fourteen years, my husband and I see each other naked all the time without a sexual connotation being attached to it - usually - and what happens is that your brain learns to respond to it sexually if it's intended in a sexual way. I'd be in a bad way if I got massively turned on every time I walked into our shared bathroom while he was showering, or into our bedroom while he was changing clothes, because obviously we can't have sex as often as we happen to encounter each other unclothed. This is not to say I don't always have an aesthetic appreciation of his body, because he's a handsome man, but I'm a thinking adult. I SHOULD have more control over my own libido and body than that.

I can respect your opinion, even though I disagree.

Sorry, I still disagree with the whole "should be" thing. I think maybe you should grow up a bit on this subject. You sound kinda like a teenaged boy whose experience of women's nudity comes mostly from sneaking your dad's porn magazines.

See now... you expressed yourself so well above and we could agree to disagree, but here you had to digress into this sophomoric, bull shit and start in with your insults. I'm 53 and am in no need of "growing up," and no, "my daddy" never had "porno magazines" laying around. Leave my family out of your insults, unless you'd like me to start insulting yours.

 

[editec]

I've been there, done that, married for 12 years. And, if I ever marry again, I will do things differently. I will preserve a greater degree of modesty/privacy between my husband and I so that the mystery of is maintained. And, I'm not saying that I would have sex every time I see him naked, but moreso, that naked should be an event, not something that desensitizes us to each other's specialness. And, I would do it not for ME, but for him, because men are so visual, and that's something that needs to be cherished.

Smart girl.

Familiarity breeds contempt.

 

[007]

I've been there, done that, married for 12 years. And, if I ever marry again, I will do things differently. I will preserve a greater degree of modesty/privacy between my husband and I so that the mystery of is maintained. And, I'm not saying that I would have sex every time I see him naked, but moreso, that naked should be an event, not something that desensitizes us to each other's specialness. And, I would do it not for ME, but for him, because men are so visual, and that's something that needs to be cherished.

I understand what you're saying catz. Although I thoroughly enjoyed the sight of my wife naked, as she was a dancer and had a smokin' hot bod, she was just as sexy in a nice, sleek dress. But being naked in the presence of just one person who by the way is your spouse, is completely different from prancing around in the buff in front of a couple hundred strangers ranging from age 3 to 73.

 

[Mr. President]

I don't have to see people naked to know the truth about how things are.

How things are: There are a lot of ugly naked people out there that I don't want to see.

There are a lot of clothed ugly people i dont want to see.

 

[catzmeow]

There are a lot of clothed ugly people i dont want to see.

Total, complete agreement.

 

[sky dancer]

I bash you, Sky, but it ain't because you're a dyke.

Thanks for admitting the bashing. I'm sure you do it because of your great affection for me.

 

[catzmeow]

Thanks for admitting the bashing. I'm sure you do it because of your great affection for me.

No, I do it because I'm anti-idiot.

 

[sky dancer]

You do it because it's a habit, and because you refuse to drop grudges.

 

[catzmeow]

You do it because it's a habit, and because you refuse to drop grudges.

I'm sorry, you're mistaken. I do it because you continue to demonstrate stupidity and an inability to learn. Consider, for instance, your recent question on the pedophile thread. Had you actually taken the time to read the linked article, you would clearly understand why I have concerns. But of course, you couldn't be bothered to do that. You consistently demonstrate an inability to debate, lack of reading comprehension, and an irritating level of stupidity.

I would completely stop bashing you were it not for the ongoing nature of your annoying tendencies, which never seem to improve.

 

[Cecilie1200]

I can respect your opinion, even though I disagree.


See now... you expressed yourself so well above and we could agree to disagree, but here you had to digress into this sophomoric, bull shit and start in with your insults. I'm 53 and am in no need of "growing up," and no, "my daddy" never had "porno magazines" laying around. Leave my family out of your insults, unless you'd like me to start insulting yours.

Someone should have told you that "old" doesn't mean "grown-up", nor does criticism equal insult. You not only view women as an adolescent would, you clearly also view debate the same way. "You mentioned my daddy! Don't you talk about my daddy!"

Newsflash: women are complex human beings, not just sex objects, and if your dick is ruling you to the extent that you cannot think of them in any other terms, you are the one with the serious problem, not the people who have learned to confine sexual reactions to sexual situations. They grew up. You just grew old.

 

[sky dancer]

I'm sorry, you're mistaken. I do it because you continue to demonstrate stupidity and an inability to learn.

What is it you think I should learn from your continuous assault? To bend to your will? Now, that WOULD be stupid.

I actually read the articles in the threads, and I often add more articles and links.

I'd love to see you actually address content in my posts, instead of personal attacks. Try it sometime.

 

[catzmeow]

What is it you think I should learn from your continuous assault? To bend to your will?

Of course not. I respect people who don't bend to me, and who are able to follow the context of an argument and who are able to represent themselves well in proposing an alternative point of view. You pop into the middle of discussions without the faintest clue of what is going on, expect to be educated by everyone else, and interject irrelevance.

You constantly portray yourself as a victim of vast conspiracies designed to silence you, such as the dancing yoni episode. If I wanted you banned, I had adequate reason to ban you when I was a mod on PF. I didn't ban you because I DON'T DO THAT.

jesus, you're fucking stupid to the level that it annoys the bejeezus out of me, mainly because you have no goddamn clue how much of your passsive-aggressive "I'm a victim of abuse and will never let it go and move on" issues you put off to the world, while trying to appear wise and all-peaceful. The thought of you working professionally with victims makes me sick. I cannot imagine how you could help anyone when you can't even see yourself and help yourself.

Almost every post you make, directed at me, is more true of you than it is of me.

YOU want to control and/or silence other people. YOU want to ban hate speech. YOU can dish it out, but you cannot take it. YOU can't follow discussions. YOU demonstrate a clear gender bias. YOU are the embodiment of the typical neopagan buddhist hippy who embraces everything and knows NOTHING.

And, my god, you're like old enough to be my mom, and you still haven't learned ANYTHING.