‘I don’t bluff’

[daveman]

Mann-made Warming Confirmed - By Chris Horner - Planet Gore - National Review Online

Steve McIntyre, a Canadian mathematician in Toronto, suspects tree rings aren’t telling a valid story with that giant uptick at the right side of the graph, implicating the 20th century as the “hottest period in 1000 years,” which alarmists latch onto as proof of AGW. The graph is dubbed the “Hockey Stick” and becomes famous worldwide. Al Gore uses it in his movie An Inconvenient Truth in the famous “elevator scene.”

2: Steve attempts to replicate Michael Mann’s tree ring work in the paper MBH98, but is stymied by lack of data archiving. He sends dozens of letters over the years trying to get access to data but access is denied. McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, of the University of Guelph publish a paper in 2004 criticizing the work. A new website is formed in 2004 called Real Climate, by the people who put together the tree ring data and they denounce the scientific criticism:

RealClimate: False Claims by McIntyre and McKitrick regarding the Mann et al. (1998) reconstruction

3: Years go by.McIntyre is still stymied trying to get access to the original source data so that he can replicate the Mann 1998 conclusion. In 2008 Mann publishes another paper in bolstering his tree ring claim due to all of the controversy surrounding it. A Mann co-author and source of tree ring data (Professor Keith Briffa of the Hadley UK Climate Research Unit) used one of the tree ring data series (Yamal in Russia) in a paper published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society in 2008, which has a strict data archiving policy. Thanks to that policy, Steve McIntyre fought and won access to that data just last week.

4: Having the Yamal data in complete form, McIntyre replicates it, and discovers that one of Mann’s co-authors, Briffa, had cherry picked 10 tree data sets out of a much larger set of trees sampled in Yamal.

5: When all of the tree ring data from Yamal is plotted, the famous hockey stick disappears. Not only does it disappear, but goes negative. The conclusion is inescapable. The tree ring data was hand-picked to get the desired result.
​

Note to AGW cultists:

If you have to lie to make your point, it ain't science. It's bullshit.

So what does that say about you using the lies of the hyperpartisan national review fishwrap to support delusional confusions?

If you could factually dispute what was reported in NR, you would.

But you can't, so you choose instead to fling poo.

 

[flacaltenn]

If you don't respect the source -- SHOW how biased and wrong they are. It's fun.. And much more honest and productive than suppression, impeachment and censorship...

I personally LIVE for the opportunity to tear up a ThinkProgress or Mother Jones article..

(I had a Mother Jones subscription for years because they are basically GOOD journalists. Doing the RIGHT STORIES. And the story was there. The truth however was always souffled beyond recognition)

 

[Trakar]

...I personally LIVE for the opportunity to tear up a ThinkProgress or Mother Jones article..

(I had a Mother Jones subscription for years because they are basically GOOD journalists. Doing the RIGHT STORIES. And the story was there. The truth however was always souffled beyond recognition)

That seems rather bizarre entertainment to me, but I hunt, fish and spend a lot of time paying attention to my favorite NFL team - I'm sure there are a lot of people that consider these "bizarre entertainment" as well. Whatever, different strokes for different folks I guess.

 

[Trakar]

Mann-made Warming Confirmed - By Chris Horner - Planet Gore - National Review Online

Steve McIntyre, a Canadian mathematician in Toronto, suspects tree rings aren’t telling a valid story with that giant uptick at the right side of the graph, implicating the 20th century as the “hottest period in 1000 years,” which alarmists latch onto as proof of AGW. The graph is dubbed the “Hockey Stick” and becomes famous worldwide. Al Gore uses it in his movie An Inconvenient Truth in the famous “elevator scene.”

2: Steve attempts to replicate Michael Mann’s tree ring work in the paper MBH98, but is stymied by lack of data archiving. He sends dozens of letters over the years trying to get access to data but access is denied. McIntyre and Ross McKitrick, of the University of Guelph publish a paper in 2004 criticizing the work. A new website is formed in 2004 called Real Climate, by the people who put together the tree ring data and they denounce the scientific criticism:

RealClimate: False Claims by McIntyre and McKitrick regarding the Mann et al. (1998) reconstruction

3: Years go by.McIntyre is still stymied trying to get access to the original source data so that he can replicate the Mann 1998 conclusion. In 2008 Mann publishes another paper in bolstering his tree ring claim due to all of the controversy surrounding it. A Mann co-author and source of tree ring data (Professor Keith Briffa of the Hadley UK Climate Research Unit) used one of the tree ring data series (Yamal in Russia) in a paper published in the Philosophical Transactions of the Royal Society in 2008, which has a strict data archiving policy. Thanks to that policy, Steve McIntyre fought and won access to that data just last week.

4: Having the Yamal data in complete form, McIntyre replicates it, and discovers that one of Mann’s co-authors, Briffa, had cherry picked 10 tree data sets out of a much larger set of trees sampled in Yamal.

5: When all of the tree ring data from Yamal is plotted, the famous hockey stick disappears. Not only does it disappear, but goes negative. The conclusion is inescapable. The tree ring data was hand-picked to get the desired result.
​

Note to AGW cultists:

If you have to lie to make your point, it ain't science. It's bullshit.

So what does that say about you using the lies of the hyperpartisan national review fishwrap to support delusional confusions?

If you could factually dispute what was reported in NR, you would.

But you can't, so you choose instead to fling poo.

they are a disreputable source commenting beyond the scope of their competency, there is nothing worth refuting, it is rather like an extreme leftist quoting the SocialistWorker.org's perspective of the merits of the Leopard 2A6 FCS v. M1A2 FCS.

 

[RollingThunder]

I personally LIVE for the opportunity to tear up a ThinkProgress or Mother Jones article..

LOLOLOLOLOLOL.....delusional to the end, eh fecalhead. I'm sure you could "tear up" a TP or MJ article by weeping all over it in despair at your own inability to comprehend it, but intellectually and scientifically, you couldn't 'tear' your way out of a wet paper bag, you poor deluded retard.

 

[Oddball]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftVDI8522p0]Hide The Decline - YouTube[/ame]

 

[bripat9643]

Oh, the poor baby! Everyone hates him *because he's a "SCIENTIST!" BOO HOO!

Mann is a certified quack who got caught manufacturing data. That's why he's being investigated.

Dr. Mann is a world class scientist honored around the world. He will retain the respect and admiration of the scientific community, while the retards on this board will continue to be flap yap idiots.

It's not too surprising that all of the denier cult retards would swallow the smear campaign. They are inherently anti-science and distrustful of everyone who is smarter than they are - which, of course, includes just about everybody.

Climate scientists and smear campaigns
By Michael Man,
Special to CNN
Wed March 28, 2012
(excerpts)

What was my offense? I worked on climate change research that indicated the world is a lot warmer today than it was in the past. Because that research caught the public's attention when it was released in 1998, I became one of dozens of climate researchers who have been systematically targeted by a well-funded anti-science campaign.

Ironically, as these attacks have grown, the scientific facts have become ever clearer. Climate scientists know the world is warming and human activity -- particularly burning coal and oil -- is the primary driver. The idea of addressing climate change threatens some people in the fossil fuel industry. And a vocal minority of corporate interests and their ideological allies are spending a lot of money to hijack the public debate about climate change.

I call all this the "scientization" of politics. Attacks on science and scientists are an effort to advance a political agenda, not an effort to better understand science or the risks it uncovers. The tobacco industry did it when scientists linked cigarettes to cancer. The lead industry tried to discredit a scientist who found that lead exposure hurt children's cognitive abilities. Now, it's climate scientists' turn.

 

[Old Rocks]

Now Pattycake, as the cost of the present droughts and other extreme weather events hits the grocery shelves, a lot more people are going to look at whom has been saying what. And you 'Conservatives' are going to be looking very stupid, while Mann and Hansen will be increasingly vindictated.

 

[bripat9643]

Now Daveboy, why don't you just shove both those barrels of tools which you don't know how to use up your ass. The present hockey stick graph, or present dozen or more, to be more accurate, does not depend on just tree rings, they have proxy data from seafloor sediments, coral, bore holes, ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica.

Wrong, All the various flavors of the Hockey stick graph rely on tree ring data. Many of the rely on data from Bristle-con pine trees which have been demonstrated to be invalid proxies for climate. McIntyre has analyzed every one on his site "Climate Audit" and shown the problem with each.

Your claim is just plain false. It's a damned lie.

The unalterable fact remains for you poor simpletons, the Scientific Societies, Academies of Science, and major Universities all state the same thing. AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. Soon that message is coming to the grocery store nearest you. A percentage of the Russian grain crop is at risk now from drought, even as we have lost a significant percentage of our corn and soybean crop.

It's also an unalterable fact that horses like to eat apples, but that is totally irrelevant to the issue of climate change. If scientific truth was determined by majority vote, you might have a point.

Droughts happen. They're nothing new. Just read a history book. In fact, read the Bible. You'll see that droughts were recorded 3000 years ago.

 

[bripat9643]

Now Pattycake, as the cost of the present droughts and other extreme weather events hits the grocery shelves, a lot more people are going to look at whom has been saying what. And you 'Conservatives' are going to be looking very stupid, while Mann and Hansen will be increasingly vindictated.

The price at the grocery store is going up more because of that stupid Ethanol program than because of any drought.

"Extreme weather events" are an UNALTERABLE fact of nature. They always have been.

 

[daveman]

So what does that say about you using the lies of the hyperpartisan national review fishwrap to support delusional confusions?

If you could factually dispute what was reported in NR, you would.

But you can't, so you choose instead to fling poo.

they are a disreputable source commenting beyond the scope of their competency, there is nothing worth refuting, it is rather like an extreme leftist quoting the SocialistWorker.org's perspective of the merits of the Leopard 2A6 FCS v. M1A2 FCS.

Yeah. If you could factually dispute what was reported in NR, you would.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

hahahahahahahahah


the republican party really created themselves a stupid label and have no way out of it now.
this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.


denying global warming is just another anti science stance that will haunt them until they can extracate themselves from it

this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.

Rest easy, the Republicans are not courting your vote.

 

[freedombecki]

Dr. Mann is a world class scientist honored around the world. He will retain the respect and admiration of the scientific community, while the retards on this board will continue to be flap yap idiots.

Mann is a punchline.

Warmers and Decline Hiders love him.

I hope they reconsider:

“The UVA emails are a key part of a history that taxpayers are trying to piece together to place the early climate alarmism, and taxpayer financing of it, in context,” said Dr. David Schnare, Director of the ATI Environmental Law Center. “The alarmist professors who in some of these emails speak about ‘the cause’ have complained that their emails have been taken out of context. Release of the full UVA email collection, all sent or received by Mann after expressly agreeing he had no ownership of or expectation of privacy about them, will provide that context. Considering the behavior of this former UVA professor as documented in many emails already available to the public, these emails are the only means he has to claim exoneration without being accused of a whitewash.”
The selected emails include graphic descriptions of the contempt a small circle of largely taxpayer-funded alarmists held for anyone who followed scientific principles and ended up disagreeing with them. For example, in the fifteenth Petitioners’ Exemplar (PE-15), Mann encourages a boycott of one climate journal and a direct appeal to his friends on the editorial board to have one of the journal’s editors fired for accepting papers that were carefully peer-reviewed and recommended for publication on the basis that the papers dispute Mann’s own work. In PE-38, he states that another well respected journal is “being run by the baddies,” calling them “shills for industry.” In PE-39 Mann calls U.S. Congressmen concerned about how he spent taxpayer money “thugs”. Legal exemplars cited in Michael Mann's UVA E-mail case

Sad day for the scientific community.

 

[Trakar]

Dr. Mann is a world class scientist honored around the world. He will retain the respect and admiration of the scientific community, while the retards on this board will continue to be flap yap idiots.

Mann is a punchline.

Warmers and Decline Hiders love him.

I hope they reconsider:

“The UVA emails are a key part of a history that taxpayers are trying to piece together to place the early climate alarmism, and taxpayer financing of it, in context,” said Dr. David Schnare, Director of the ATI Environmental Law Center. “The alarmist professors who in some of these emails speak about ‘the cause’ have complained that their emails have been taken out of context. Release of the full UVA email collection, all sent or received by Mann after expressly agreeing he had no ownership of or expectation of privacy about them, will provide that context. Considering the behavior of this former UVA professor as documented in many emails already available to the public, these emails are the only means he has to claim exoneration without being accused of a whitewash.”
The selected emails include graphic descriptions of the contempt a small circle of largely taxpayer-funded alarmists held for anyone who followed scientific principles and ended up disagreeing with them. For example, in the fifteenth Petitioners’ Exemplar (PE-15), Mann encourages a boycott of one climate journal and a direct appeal to his friends on the editorial board to have one of the journal’s editors fired for accepting papers that were carefully peer-reviewed and recommended for publication on the basis that the papers dispute Mann’s own work. In PE-38, he states that another well respected journal is “being run by the baddies,” calling them “shills for industry.” In PE-39 Mann calls U.S. Congressmen concerned about how he spent taxpayer money “thugs”. Legal exemplars cited in Michael Mann's UVA E-mail case

Sad day for the scientific community.

Indeed, anytime anyone mistakes WUWT as anything but the extremist political cesspool that it is, is a sad day humanity in general.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Dr. Mann is a world class scientist honored around the world. He will retain the respect and admiration of the scientific community, while the retards on this board will continue to be flap yap idiots.

It's not too surprising that all of the denier cult retards would swallow the smear campaign. They are inherently anti-science and distrustful of everyone who is smarter than they are - which, of course, includes just about everybody.

Climate scientists and smear campaigns
By Michael Man,
Special to CNN
Wed March 28, 2012
(excerpts)

What was my offense? I worked on climate change research that indicated the world is a lot warmer today than it was in the past. Because that research caught the public's attention when it was released in 1998, I became one of dozens of climate researchers who have been systematically targeted by a well-funded anti-science campaign.

Ironically, as these attacks have grown, the scientific facts have become ever clearer. Climate scientists know the world is warming and human activity -- particularly burning coal and oil -- is the primary driver. The idea of addressing climate change threatens some people in the fossil fuel industry. And a vocal minority of corporate interests and their ideological allies are spending a lot of money to hijack the public debate about climate change.

I call all this the "scientization" of politics. Attacks on science and scientists are an effort to advance a political agenda, not an effort to better understand science or the risks it uncovers. The tobacco industry did it when scientists linked cigarettes to cancer. The lead industry tried to discredit a scientist who found that lead exposure hurt children's cognitive abilities. Now, it's climate scientists' turn.

It's not too surprising that all of the denier cult retards would swallow the smear campaign.

Poor Mann, smeared by his own e-mails.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Now Daveboy, why don't you just shove both those barrels of tools which you don't know how to use up your ass. The present hockey stick graph, or present dozen or more, to be more accurate, does not depend on just tree rings, they have proxy data from seafloor sediments, coral, bore holes, ice cores from Greenland and Antarctica.

The unalterable fact remains for you poor simpletons, the Scientific Societies, Academies of Science, and major Universities all state the same thing. AGW is real, and a clear and present danger. Soon that message is coming to the grocery store nearest you. A percentage of the Russian grain crop is at risk now from drought, even as we have lost a significant percentage of our corn and soybean crop.

You're right, there were never droughts before we started burning fossil fuels.

 

[Ernie S.]

Why are people still referring to Mann as a "Scientist"?

Because he is a world class scientist, greatly honored by his peers in the scientific community.

You, on the other hand, are a brainwashed retard, clueless, uneducated in science, and filled with a big steaming pile of BS, misinformation, smears, propaganda and outright lies that you swallowed unquestioningly because your ideological puppet-masters told you to.

Marc Hauser WAS a world class scientist, greatly honored by his peers in the scientific community, too.

 

[RollingThunder]

Mann is a certified quack who got caught manufacturing data. That's why he's being investigated.

You've got it kind of backwards and upside-down, as usual, you poor deluded moron. You are a certified denier cult retard who has been caught numerous times posting lies. That's why you're being ignored.

 

[RollingThunder]

hahahahahahahahah


the republican party really created themselves a stupid label and have no way out of it now.
this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.


denying global warming is just another anti science stance that will haunt them until they can extracate themselves from it

this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.

Rest easy, the Republicans are not courting your vote.

Well of course not, toadsteretard, but that's because we're not idiots like you.

 

[daveman]

hahahahahahahahah


the republican party really created themselves a stupid label and have no way out of it now.
this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.


denying global warming is just another anti science stance that will haunt them until they can extracate themselves from it

this is what happens when you court the idiot vote.

Rest easy, the Republicans are not courting your vote.

Well of course not, toadsteretard, but that's because we're not idiots like you.

No, you're an extra idiotic brand of idiot.