I can’t understand what was the idea of that revo in Libya against Qaddafi

[Grog]

I can’t understand what was the idea of that revo in Libya against Qaddafi. Far from being an angel the guy was in charge. What now? There’s neither stability, nor democracy in Libya! There’s only some fishy interim regime where they are busy sorting it out with each other.
Meanwhile the armed fighters are dangerously uncontrollable. They have begun real hunt on Qaddafi’s supporters. Those poor things that are seized are often subject to merciless torture! They may be also killed without any prior court proceedings. According to the UN data as much as 10 Qaddafi’s supporters have been held by the fighters.
Clear thing, Amnesty International has been sounding the alarm over this abuse of human rise and lack of order in Libya. Imo they’d rather have done this earlier ... when the mutilated body of Gaddafi himself was widely shown on TV as some amusing show.... in absence of any relevant reaction of the so called civilized community.......

 

[waltky]

Libya to split in two?...

Libya rallies denounce Cyrenaica autonomy calls
9 March 2012 - Tensions have been frequent between the two sides of Libya

Thousands of Libyans have rallied in the country's two main cities to denounce moves by leaders in the east to create a semi-autonomous territory. Demonstrators chanted slogans demanding unity and used shoes to hit photos of Ahmed Zubair al-Senussi, the head of the regional council seeking a split. The rallies took place after Friday prayers in the capital Tripoli and in Benghazi, the main city in the east. Tribal and militia leaders there announced the move on Tuesday.

In a BBC interview, Mr Senussi said he was ready to hold talks with the country's leadership about setting up the oil-rich semi-autonomous territory, to be known as Cyrenaica. He said he was committed to federalism but was prepared to discuss what form it would take. In a speech on national TV on Wednesday, interim leader Mustafa Abdel Jalil, of the National Transitional Council (NTC), also called for dialogue but said national unity would be defended by force if necessary.

No consensus

Crowds gathered in central areas of both cities after clerics at Friday prayers warned that the autonomy plan could lead to the break-up of the country. In Tripoli, Martyrs' Square was the focal point of demonstrations, with people chanting "No, no to federalism" and "Libya is one". Correspondents say the declaration has significant popular support among people in Benghazi, but there is no consensus despite frustration with the slowness of change since the overthrow of longtime leader Col Muammar Gaddafi last year. Following independence in 1951, Libya's three regions enjoyed federal power until the country became a unitary state in 1963.

Cyrenaica stretches from the central coastal city of Sirte to the Libyan-Egyptian border in the east. It contains two-thirds of the country's oil reserves. The people of Cyrenaica, known as Barqa in Arabic, felt particularly marginalised and neglected under Gaddafi, who focused much of the development on the west, correspondents say. The city of Benghazi was the seat of the uprising that eventually toppled the former dictator, in August last year. The autonomy plan calls for a regional parliament and control over the police force and courts, but stops short of advocating a division of the country.

BBC News - Libya rallies denounce Cyrenaica autonomy calls

 

[whitehall]

The important issue was that Libya was no threat to the US. NATO means never having to say you are sorry. Bill Clinton attacked the defenseless country of Yugoslavia with NATO bombers to deflect attention from his sexual peculiarities and Barry used NATO to advance the interests of the Muslem brotherhood. NATO means neither Barry Hussein nor Bill Clinton is liable for prosecution for manslaughter and both presidents are immune from scrutiny from the friendly left wing media.

 

[waltky]

Civil war in the offing?...

As Eastern Libya Calls for Autonomy A Middle East Analyst Warns of Crisis
March 10, 2012 - A decision by a group of civic leaders in the Libyan eastern city of Benghazi to declare autonomy from central rule has raised fears that the country might break apart.

Some politicians and residents of Benghazi this week said they would run their own affairs, defying the government in Tripoli. They say they do not intend to divide the country but to end years of discrimination against the east under ousted dictator Colonel Moammer Gadhafi. A provincial council was reportedly created to run the affairs of Cyrenaica, the historic province which runs from the border with Egypt in the east to half way across Libya’s Mediterranean coast.

But thousands of people protested in Libya’s two biggest cities on Friday in a show of opposition to the autonomy plan. “We are going to see in Libya a variety of moves on behalf of the regions demanding autonomy,” said Dr. Walid Phares, an expert on the Middle East and author of "The Coming Revolution: Struggle for Freedom in the Middle East. These demands, he said, will create a crisis with a central government which has not yet been defined. “Libya is now in a transitional phase that could generate more crisis than before,”

Phares said the new regime in Tripoli is likely to push back on the demands for autonomy. “They will be concerned that if it [calls for autonomy] starts in the eastern part of the country it might spread to other areas of the country.” The ruling National Transitional Council (NTC) is basically in the hands of the jihadists, said Phares, and the remnants of the former [Gadhafi] regime are trying to ferment trouble. “It is also a possibility that tribes that were supportive of Gadhafi may also demand some sort of political autonomy in their area.” He said it is going to be a struggle between the central government now controlled by Islamist militias and all those against them. Phares said while Libya was initially a federation under a King [Idris], before Gadhafi took over and became a unifier by force, now the Islamists are thinking of unifying Libya by ideology – Salafism. “It is not going to work with the tribes because they do not see this ideology – Salafism - as a unifying force.

The anti-Gadhafi forces, he explained, were a coalition of mostly Islamist forces, dissidents of the Libyan army, and tribes opposed to Gadhafi, and ethnic minorities. “This is a very vast coalition of forces that didn’t have enough time to hold a conference to create the foundation of a new Libyan republic. Most Libyan didn’t want an Islamist state, said Phares, “…so now we are going to see more and more opposition either by tribes or ethnicities to the Islamist regime.” “They need to move toward a conference that will declare a pluralist democratic state where all forces, including Islamists, are represented.” Libya is scheduled to hold parliamentary elections in June followed by a constitutional referendum.

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[High_Gravity]

I can’t understand what was the idea of that revo in Libya against Qaddafi. Far from being an angel the guy was in charge. What now? There’s neither stability, nor democracy in Libya! There’s only some fishy interim regime where they are busy sorting it out with each other.
Meanwhile the armed fighters are dangerously uncontrollable. They have begun real hunt on Qaddafi’s supporters. Those poor things that are seized are often subject to merciless torture! They may be also killed without any prior court proceedings. According to the UN data as much as 10 Qaddafi’s supporters have been held by the fighters.
Clear thing, Amnesty International has been sounding the alarm over this abuse of human rise and lack of order in Libya. Imo they’d rather have done this earlier ... when the mutilated body of Gaddafi himself was widely shown on TV as some amusing show.... in absence of any relevant reaction of the so called civilized community.......

Unless someone here has lived in Libya under Gaddafi we won't really know why the people there rose up either, may want to check with some Libyans and ask them.

 

[regent]

Why did Reagan bomb libya?

 

[waltky]

Our man in Libya...

Coalition Led by Pro-Western Official Claims Lead in Libya
July 8, 2012 — A coalition led by a Western-educated political scientist appeared on Sunday to be beating Islamist parties in Libya’s first election of the post-Qaddafi era, standing apart from an overwhelming Islamist wave sweeping across neighboring Egypt, Tunisia and Morocco in the aftermath of the Arab Spring uprisings.

The preliminary results, characterized by independent monitors and party representatives who witnessed the vote count for a new national assembly, may reflect the relative novelty of political debate here as well as the reputation and tribal connections of the coalition’s founder, Mahmoud Jibril. He is a member of Libya’s most populous tribe, the Warfalla, as well as the former interim prime minister who helped lead the de facto rebel government in Benghazi. But Mr. Jibril and his coalition also stood out from other opponents of Islamists around the region because they did not hurl accusations of extremism against those who called for Islamic law. Like the Islamists and almost every other major faction here, Mr. Jibril’s coalition pledged to make Islamic law a main source of legislation, though not the only one.

Ideological lines remained fuzzy, and many voters acknowledged plans to let tribal or family ties guide their vote. But the Islamists sought to portray Mr. Jibril’s coalition as “liberal” or “secular” — and some who stood with him acknowledged privately that for them those terms were perfectly apt. But Mr. Jibril himself echoed a frequent refrain of Libyan voters who were unsure what to make of re-emergent groups like the Muslim Brotherhood: “Do they think they are more Muslim than we are?” A former professor of political science who earned his doctoral degree and then taught at the University of Pittsburgh, Mr. Jibril said in a recent interview on Libyan television that his neighbors in either the United States or Libya would describe him as someone who “goes to the mosque for Friday prayers, and we see that he prays.”

“The Libyan people don’t need either liberalism or secularism or pretenses in the name of Islam, because Islam, this great religion, cannot be used for political purposes,” he said. “Islam is much bigger than that.” The apparent success of his coalition inn outpolling the Muslim Brotherhood’s bloc makes Mr. Jibril perhaps the most important voice in the next stage of Libya’s political transition after the fall of Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi. That phase is expected to include the drafting of a new constitution. Although his previous interim role barred him from personally seeking office in the planned national congress, his name appeared larger than that of his party or its candidates on campaign posters. His victory would complete a comeback for a leader who was pushed from office under pressure from rebels after the capture and killing of Colonel Qaddafi. They said Mr. Jibril had focused too much on courting Western support and had neglected domestic needs in rebel-controlled territory.

Several estimates indicate that in the portion of the planned national assembly that will be decided by the contest among parties, Mr. Jibril’s coalition, the National Forces Alliance, had won as much as 80 percent of the vote in the western region around Tripoli and more than 60 percent around Benghazi in the east. Mr. Jibril’s Warfalla tribe, which accounts for roughly one million of Libya’s six million people, is heavily represented in both regions. The party that appeared to be running second, the bloc established by the Muslim Brotherhood, appeared to received only about 20 percent of the vote or less in both the Tripoli and Benghazi regions, the parties and election monitors said, indicating a trend that is likely to carry over into the competition between individual candidates. Another loosely Islamic party, one founded by Abdel Hakim Belhaj, a former leader of an armed insurgency here who became the head of Tripoli’s military council, also fell short in the voting. Though it had been expected to be a major competitor, it appeared to attract even less support than the Brotherhood’s bloc.

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[mememe]

Our man in Libya...

Coalition Led by Pro-Western Official Claims Lead in Libya
July 8, 2012 — A coalition led by a Western-educated political scientist appeared on Sunday to be beating Islamist parties in Libya’s first election of the post-Qaddafi era,

Dear, dear... how easily pleased Western propaganda consumers are... One has to show them a circus with a box and a bit of paper and they are happy!

What "elections"?! What "government"?! A "government" that does not control even the former capital of a former state?

Already yesterday they were shooting each other in Tripoli! As for the rest of former Libya, it's back to where it was before Gaddafi united it: tribe against tribe...