I blame Palin

[PubliusInfinitum]

In Islam all people are born Moslems as it means one who submits to the will of god.

ROFL... Really? Well that's interesting... I guess the whole Infidel thing is just a myth going around then... perhaps you'll pass along your vast Islamic doctrinal understanding and clear the whole 'jihad' thing up...

No, under a Marxist ideal the private property is eliminated so that there is no need to “spread the wealth”.

You're an idiot... The notion of eliminating property ownership is specifically to prevent the aquisition of property, thus providing equal wealth to all workers...

Progressive income tax is not Marxist, its more Utilitarian. Marxists don’t agree with the idea of private property.

Well that's would come as news to Karl, as in their thesis: "The Communist Manifesto" Marx and Engles list Ten Planks on which the rise to communism would be accomplished: The Progressive or graduated income tax was number 2.

Please turn off the caps lock, with all the caps and no spaces this just looks like a lunatic rant.

Sweet obfuscation... your concession is duly noted and summarily accepted.

See, I like that quote, I want to fight for the world as it should be (in my opinion) just as much as you want to (in your opinion).

You are...

"Barack stood up that day," talking about a visit to Chicago neighborhoods, "and spoke words that have stayed with me ever since. He talked about "The world as it is" and "The world as it should be..."

And, "All of us driven by a simple belief that the world as it is just won't do - that we have an obligation to fight for the world as it should be."

Maybe I am just not seeing the context of this quote, why should I be terrified?

Terrified? Embarrassed... exposed... humiliated... sure. But I can't see why you should be terririfed just because you and the comrades demanded evidence that Hussein was a Marxist and it pours forth shortly therefter.

The quote simply proves that Hussein is a devote of those that advocated revolutionary Marxism... which your comrade implied was not the case.

Now we can be sure that the simple fact that Hussein was BORN A MUSLIM

As were you, per Islam

Patently false... I was according to Islam, born an infidel; as my parents reject Islam across the board... My parents believe that all Muslims are going to hell... that Islam is a false religion, which worships a false God; that Islam is a lie advanced by the deceiver. It's pretty unlikely that that Islam is going to teach that such is anything approaching Islam.

I did some research into your assertion and can find absolutely no reference from even the recent Hussein propaganda sites where there is any reference to Islam believing that all people are Muslims...

This assertion does however lend a great deal of weight to the notion that you're a liar...

 

[elvis]

The first blame for Sister Sarah! I was wondering if anyone would!

It has been interesting to see the republican pundits so carefully blame the economic collapse for their loss, and not the hope for 2012.

Seriously... What do all of the USMB keyboard-quarterbacks think the map would have looked like with a McCain / Lieberman ticket?

How about a McCain / Rudy G.?

-Joe

I was hoping he would choose Rudy or Romney. I think it would have been different.

 

[Gunny]

Look I am a registered Libertarian but I know what people are saying. Its time to point your finger and someone and I have been saying for months that Palin was a bad choice. When gen. Colin Powel based his endorsment entirely on the VP choice for Mccain, thats when it started to hit Republicans that maybe he made a mistake.


Either way, my point is this. As many conservatives have told me today and yesterday, If Sarah Palin is what the Republican party has to look foward to, if she is the shiny beacon of the future for this party......well they are in alot more trouble than we all thought.

Obama, the right choice for 2008. America has spoken, and Barrack Obama is our new president. Accept it, if not......im going to annoy you with the stupid "your unpatriotic" line that has been used on me since 2001 when I began my own personal anti-bush movement.

I disagree. McCain lost with his lackluster campaign before he ever chose Palin. The media and the left kept him tied to Bush, even though many conservatives don't like McCain for his non-partisan, maverick BS.

He couldn't galvanize the conservative vote from hardline to moderate and everything in between. He probably would have lost by more had he not had Palin because prior to her selction, the hardliners were talking about abstaining.

Obama talked his way into the White House with a lot of talk and little substance. If he doesn't step up he'll go down in flames so fast you'll think he's one of McCain fighters.

 

[Vintij]

I disagree. McCain lost with his lackluster campaign before he ever chose Palin. The media and the left kept him tied to Bush, even though many conservatives don't like McCain for his non-partisan, maverick BS.

He couldn't galvanize the conservative vote from hardline to moderate and everything in between. He probably would have lost by more had he not had Palin because prior to her selction, the hardliners were talking about abstaining.

Obama talked his way into the White House with a lot of talk and little substance. If he doesn't step up he'll go down in flames so fast you'll think he's one of McCain fighters.

Well judging from his press conference today, looks like he wants to do more than talk. First order of business, economic stimulus package, extend unemployment benefits and revive the automotive industry by building more hybrid and fuel efficient cars.

 

[Turboswede]

You sir are a complete blithering idiot, everything I located in this response took me 2 minutes to find and is on Wikipedia. I am not a Muslim nor a Marxist, but I have read the Quran and I have also read Marx extensively beyond the introduction to the Manifesto.

For reference please see:

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

ROFL... Really? Well that's interesting... I guess the whole Infidel thing is just a myth going around then... perhaps you'll pass along your vast Islamic doctrinal understanding and clear the whole 'jihad' thing up...

Remember I do not subscribe to Islamic belief, but I have been called a liar, so here is what Islamic doctrine is:

According to Islamic doctrine, Islam was the primordial religion of mankind, professed by Adam. At some point, a religious split occurred, and God began sending prophets to bring his revelations to the people. As a result, children of non-Muslim families are born Muslims, but are converted to another faith by their parents.

You're an idiot... The notion of eliminating property ownership is specifically to prevent the acquisition of property, thus providing equal wealth to all workers...

No, there is no intent under strict Marxism to “eliminate property ownership as Marx believed that, with the elimination of need or scarcity. It’s a stupid idea and I explained that it will never work in my previous post.

Well that's would come as news to Karl, as in their thesis: "The Communist Manifesto" Marx and Engles list Ten Planks on which the rise to communism would be accomplished: The Progressive or graduated income tax was number 2.

Read more, the Progressive taxation is borne out of the transitional period in Marx’s world view and is an idea Marx cribbed from French Socialist thought of the 1830’s.

Terrified? Embarrassed... exposed... humiliated... sure. But I can't see why you should be terrified just because you and the comrades demanded evidence that Hussein was a Marxist and it pours forth shortly thereafter.

The quote simply proves that Hussein is a devote of those that advocated revolutionary Marxism... which your comrade implied was not the case.

I didn’t get that from the quote at all, but then I am not a paranoid schizophrenic.

Patently false... I was according to Islam, born an infidel; as my parents reject Islam across the board... My parents believe that all Muslims are going to hell... that Islam is a false religion, which worships a false God; that Islam is a lie advanced by the deceiver. It's pretty unlikely that that Islam is going to teach that such is anything approaching Islam.

Islam worships the same god as Judaism and Christianity:

Islam is a monotheistic, Abrahamic religion originating with the teachings of the Islamic prophet Muhammad, a 7th century Arab religious and political figure. The word Islam means "submission", or the total surrender of oneself to God. An adherent of Islam is known as a Muslim, meaning "one who submits [to God]". The word Muslim is the participle of the same verb of which Islām is the infinitive. There are between 1 billion and 1.8 billion Muslims, making Islam the second-largest religion in the world, after Christianity.

Muslims believe that God revealed the Qur'an to Muhammad, God's final prophet, through the angel Gabriel, and regard the Qur'an and the Sunnah (words and deeds of Muhammad) as the fundamental sources of Islam. They do not regard Muhammad as the founder of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original monotheistic faith of Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and other prophets. Islamic tradition holds that Jews and Christians distorted the revelations God gave to these prophets by either altering the text, introducing a false interpretation, or both.

I did some research into your assertion and can find absolutely no reference from even the recent Hussein propaganda sites where there is any reference to Islam believing that all people are Muslims...

Did you? Now it looks like you are the liar, or just plain delusional.

 

[Joe 6-pack]

I hate all these people who blame McCain's loss entirely on Sarah Palin. Look, she's not the brightest person in the world. We all know that. But the McCain campaign should've recognized this before choosing her as the VP candidate. She is who she is. But that doesn't mean McCain had to pick her. It was a hail mary that just didn't work. Blame it on McCain, not Palin.

 

[Vintij]

I hate all these people who blame McCain's loss entirely on Sarah Palin. Look, she's not the brightest person in the world. We all know that. But the McCain campaign should've recognized this before choosing her as the VP candidate. She is who she is. But that doesn't mean McCain had to pick her. It was a hail mary that just didn't work. Blame it on McCain, not Palin.

So there was literally nobody who could have gotten him more votes? Not even someone from a swing state? It was the stupidest decision of all time....picking not only a dense governor with no intellectual curiosity, but picking someone from a state with only 3 electoral votes, cmon.

 

[sparky]

so palin's the fall girl?

i'd wager McAin'ts own campaign people set her up withy those 2 Canadian goofs for just that reason....

 

[editec]

so palin's the fall girl?

Yes, I think that's what's happening right now.

McCain's staff selected her, and then she failed miserably. She was wholly unqualified for that post, but the fact that she became toe VPOUS candidate is NOT her fault.

Really what we are seeing here is rather typical of GOP operatives of late.

They royally screw up and then blame onto somebody else for the problems.

The McCain campaign was a completely failure.

Palin, who appears to me to be totally ignorant, should never have been on that ticket.

There are legions of highly intelligent, extremely informed Republican women they could have selected as a VP, but they chose Palin?!

The woman's doesn't know doodle squat about the world, folks.

What were they thinking?

They thought that her good looks and fundamentalist credentials would be enough to give her a pass.

What they didn't count on is Palin's unwillingness to even learn the things she needed to learn not to sound like the ignormous she really is.

I think Palin's is an arrogance woman, I think she her believed that she could flirt her way into the hearts of Americans (winky! winky!) probably in much they way she has probably flirted her way into ther Governorship.

 

[midcan5]

They failed because their ideology failed, Palin was part of that ideology, an appeal to the far right. I think Romney will have been the best choice but Mormonism didn't fit the ideological framework. Rove won for while on slogans and appeals to extremists, now what?

 

[PubliusInfinitum]

They failed because their ideology failed, Palin was part of that ideology, an appeal to the far right. I think Romney will have been the best choice but Mormonism didn't fit the ideological framework. Rove won for while on slogans and appeals to extremists, now what?

Isn't it remarkable how consistently wrong these people can be?

The notion that Palin, her ideas, her intellect, her husband, her State, Her hometown or anything ELSE about Palin is on ANY LEVEL responsible for McCain's defeat is WHOLLY ABSURD.

Palin represented the ONLY THREAT TO HUSSEIN'S ASCENSION TO POWER.

The left shit their pants over Palin's entry into the campaign BECAUSE OF HER IDEAS... The fact that they spent so much time, money and enegry trying to destroy Palin is conclusive proof that the left KNEW that Palin was the threat.

McCain's round-table hated Palin because SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE TICKET THAT AMERICAN'S WANTED TO HEAR FROM. Around here there were thousands of bumper stickers and yard signs with McCain scratched out leaving them to read "Palin '08".

McCain tried to capture the Females in the Clinton camp by appointing Palin as VP and discovered about 10 seconds into Palin's acceptance speech at the convention that he had more in Palin than he could ever hope to handle.

The problem with the McCain campaign was John McCain and the independent, moderate, centrist, progressives who hijacked the GOP...

When the GOP advocates CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES... the ideological left has no chance; and where the GOP tries to out left the left, it can't win.

The stark majority of independents will always side with whatever they sense is the most popular position. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INDEPENDENT! THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CORE VALUES... They go along with whatever 'feels' right and most of them set that determination upon popular concensus.

The GOP is the only potential vehicle for Conservative political success, as Conservatism (Americanism, individual liberty, limited government, disciplined free market economic policy, strong national defense, etc) is anathema to the left (evil) and the left is in total control of the DNC...

So the GOP will get all of the attention, which a 3rd party that is not favorable to the leftist candidate will never get. A 3rd party can do whatever the hell it wants and if the MSM doesn't give it airtime, its over before it starts. Thus the GOP is the default vehicle and at the moment it is thoroughly infested with leftists... (Independents without the balls to commit) thus the problem rests on removing those who lend ANY LEVEL of credence to the ideological left from the GOP and return the Grand Old Party to the principles on which America is founded; whereupon it will eviscerate the means of the ideological left to capitalize on it's only strength, which is the ability to build popular consensus among the stupid through invalid reasoning and outright deception.

 

[Zoom-boing]

Isn't it remarkable how consistently wrong these people can be?

The notion that Palin, her ideas, her intellect, her husband, her State, Her hometown or anything ELSE about Palin is on ANY LEVEL responsible for McCain's defeat is WHOLLY ABSURD.Palin represented the ONLY THREAT TO HUSSEIN'S ASCENSION TO POWER.

The left shit their pants over Palin's entry into the campaign BECAUSE OF HER IDEAS... The fact that they spent so much time, money and enegry trying to destroy Palin is conclusive proof that the left KNEW that Palin was the threat.

McCain's round-table hated Palin because SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE TICKET THAT AMERICAN'S WANTED TO HEAR FROM. Around here there were thousands of bumper stickers and yard signs with McCain scratched out leaving them to read "Palin '08".

McCain tried to capture the Females in the Clinton camp by appointing Palin as VP and discovered about 10 seconds into Palin's acceptance speech at the convention that he had more in Palin than he could ever hope to handle.

The problem with the McCain campaign was John McCain and the independent, moderate, centrist, progressives who hijacked the GOP...

When the GOP advocates CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES... the ideological left has no chance; and where the GOP tries to out left the left, it can't win.
The stark majority of independents will always side with whatever they sense is the most popular position. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INDEPENDENT! THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CORE VALUES... They go along with whatever 'feels' right and most of them set that determination upon popular concensus.

The GOP is the only potential vehicle for Conservative political success, as Conservatism (Americanism, individual liberty, limited government, disciplined free market economic policy, strong national defense, etc) is anathema to the left (evil) and the left is in total control of the DNC...
So the GOP will get all of the attention, which a 3rd party that is not favorable to the leftist candidate will never get. A 3rd party can do whatever the hell it wants and if the MSM doesn't give it airtime, its over before it starts. Thus the GOP is the default vehicle and at the moment it is thoroughly infested with leftists... (Independents without the balls to commit) thus the problem rests on removing those who lend ANY LEVEL of credence to the ideological left from the GOP and return the Grand Old Party to the principles on which America is founded; whereupon it will eviscerate the means of the ideological left to capitalize on it's only strength, which is the ability to build popular consensus among the stupid through invalid reasoning and outright deception.

Well said, particularly the bolded bits.

 

[sparky]

really? so the feeding frenzy orbiting Sarah Palin is liberal Media....?

so who threw Sarah to these wolves...?

 

[Turboswede]

Isn't it remarkable how consistently wrong these people can be?

That’s why we are swearing in McCain in January, right? Because we are so wrong.

The notion that Palin, her ideas, her intellect, her husband, her State, Her hometown or anything ELSE about Palin is on ANY LEVEL responsible for McCain's defeat is WHOLLY ABSURD.

Palin represented the ONLY THREAT TO HUSSEIN'S ASCENSION TO POWER.

Then the GOP is in serious trouble.

The left shit their pants over Palin's entry into the campaign BECAUSE OF HER IDEAS... The fact that they spent so much time, money and energy (sp) trying to destroy Palin is conclusive proof that the left KNEW that Palin was the threat.

Buzzz… False, the left Democrats knew that Palin would alienate a large portion of swing voters, and PubliusInfinitu, you are not a swing voter.

McCain's round-table hated Palin because SHE WAS THE ONLY ONE ON THE TICKET THAT AMERICAN'S WANTED TO HEAR FROM. Around here there were thousands of bumper stickers and yard signs with McCain scratched out leaving them to read "Palin '08".

Buzzz. Wrong again, the McCain round-table hated her because she was totally corrupt and would split the GOP along ideological lines, and they were right.

McCain tried to capture the Females in the Clinton camp by appointing Palin as VP and discovered about 10 seconds into Palin's acceptance speech at the convention that he had more in Palin than he could ever hope to handle.

The problem with the McCain campaign was John McCain and the independent, moderate, centrist, progressives who hijacked the GOP...

Buzzz… you just can’t win this one, are you saying that the majority of Americans in the states that have over 5 electoral votes are evangelical Republicans? If that’s the case why on earth did McCain, a man who once called the religious right the greatest threat to American democracy, win the GOP nomination?

When the GOP advocates CONSERVATIVE PRINCIPLES... the ideological left has no chance; and where the GOP tries to out left the left, it can't win.

The stark majority of independents will always side with whatever they sense is the most popular position. THAT'S WHY THEY'RE INDEPENDENT! THEY DON'T HAVE ANY CORE VALUES... They go along with whatever 'feels' right and most of them set that determination upon popular consensus (Sp).

The GOP is the only potential vehicle for Conservative political success, as Conservatism (Americanism, individual liberty, limited government, disciplined free market economic policy, strong national defense, etc) is anathema to the left (evil) and the left is in total control of the DNC...

So independents and non-evangelical Republican’s are as bad as Democrats, that’s not going to leave a lot of people left in the GOP tent so you may have a hard time winning elections. Sorry PubliusInfinitu but that’s how democracy and Pluralism work, I know you want a Theocracy but that’s going to be a hard one to pull off with the 1st Amendment and all.

So the GOP will get all of the attention, which a 3rd party that is not favorable to the leftist candidate will never get. A 3rd party can do whatever the hell it wants and if the MSM doesn't give it airtime, its over before it starts. Thus the GOP is the default vehicle and at the moment it is thoroughly infested with leftists... (Independents without the balls to commit) thus the problem rests on removing those who lend ANY LEVEL of credence to the ideological left from the GOP and return the Grand Old Party to the principles on which America is founded; whereupon it will eviscerate the means of the ideological left to capitalize on it's only strength, which is the ability to build popular consensus among the stupid through invalid reasoning and outright deception.

So, your solution is to kick out or ignore 60% of a political party that secures about 46% of the vote? This sounds like you are (once again) arguing for a totalitarian theocracy, for a guy who hates Iran so much you sure seem to love their political system.

Oh…BTW, I am still waiting for your answer to my posts about Islamic theology, seeing how you are the expert and all.