I am a libertarian

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    Welcome here and i am Québeçoise Canadian 763-84-13187f2.gif who live in France and i am for Trump :rock:

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    Isn't libertarian a synonym for coward?
     
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    No!
     
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    I am closer to minarchist. Some government will always be there. However, goverment functions will slowly be replaced by IT companies. Regulating taxis, for example, that used to be done by government, is replaced uber.

    Also countries will have to compete with one another. Any country whose government is too big, like Greece, will suffer. That forces every country to be somewhat libertarian.

    Not bad.

    We are not far from being more and more libertarian.
     
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    You usually don't see five pages for introductory stuff. Interesting. I am me and me cannot be easily classified. But I have taken on certain identities only to counter the nonsense of ideologues of all sorts, libertarians being one. Since being on online, and on USMB, one sees the children arrive and talk or whine or preach and soon they may mature or just join a clique with some defining character. Lots move on, but then they repeat. That said I'll link some pieces on libertarians below, some on this site and some off, enjoy,

    "I would say quite seriously, that I am a socialist in economics, a liberal in politics, and a conservative in culture." Daniel Bell

    http://www.usmessageboard.com/economy/50564-libertarianism-in-a-nutshell-ii.html
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-flame-zone/189696-libertarian-flame.html
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/clean...od-books-on-libertarianism-3.html#post7425296


    Why is libertarianism wrong?
    Why I Am Not a Libertarian
    Rust Belt Philosophy: Okay, seriously, what the fuck is a "statist"

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    "....If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function. Like Marxism, libertarianism offers the fraudulent intellectual security of a complete a priori account of the political good without the effort of empirical investigation. Like Marxism, it aspires, overtly or covertly, to reduce social life to economics. And like Marxism, it has its historical myths and a genius for making its followers feel like an elect unbound by the moral rules of their society." Robert Locke http://www.amconmag.com/article/2005/mar/14/00017/
     
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    I am actually closer to minarchist.

    Government does need to maintain a stable society.

    If that involves welfare, or religions, or some form of bullshit, or some prohibition of drugs, then be it.

    However, competition among countries for productive elements, (smart people, technology, scientists, etc.) would ensure that things that don't hurt prosperity won't be prohibited. Otherwise, productive people will simply move somewhere else.

    Imagine people in canada smoking weed and using LSD and say it actually improves their economy. It would be foolish for americans to insist that LSD is illegal. At most some would tax it.

    I tend to see countries as super corporations.

    In fact this is the one reason why western europe have been far ahead across the rest compared to say Asia.

    In Ming dynasty, the confusian scholars decide that it's not worth it to find trade route. So after Cheng Ho reach America, or some even said may have discovered "europe" the emperor of china simply prohibit all long range ships.

    And the reason it happens is because the Confucius scholars were against trade. Trading overseas is like online business.

    Somebody can get rich without giving too much fuck about the emperors' wish. The government is not in control. It doesn't need licenses. And so on and so on. It destabilize the empire. It's like uber. A company that now manage most taxis in the world. It does a better job doing it and the drivers don't even care about government regulations anymore.

    That's it?

    Just move to other country you said? Here's the thing. In China, the emperor is the ruler of everything under heaven. In other word, there isn't really anywhere else you can go to. If you are a smart entrepreneur, you can't go anywhere.

    In europe, the spanish reject colombus and colombus moved out to portugal or something. I forget. One country says no you go to another country.

    Voila.....

    The threat to prosperity is government. In western europe, government have to compete.

    Now it's the other way around. Western countries raise minimum wage sky high to appease voters. Milton Friedman says that the true reason of minimum wage is to ensure black people are jobless. Of course there is other bullshit like affirmative action, paternity leave, and so on where goverment interfere in the market.

    So?

    Jobs move to china. Problems solved. Yes Trump will try to stop it. However, Trump will also turn most people into self entrepreneur, which means even more awesome stuffs.
     
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    Minarchy was invented by scene kids that wanted to pose with both the anarchist and libertarian crowds.

    Just call yourself a state libertarian and forget that minarchy bullshit.
     
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    I don't see that government is always bad. In fact, I must admit that governments are the best entities we have now for "protection service" on "the market"

    However, and this is a good news, most governments in the world are doing a pretty good job on their protection racket. Most of us live.

    Compared to 1000 years ago where most people can be slaughtered by the mongols, I would say current governments are not too bad.

    The problem with protection racket is, once we all live, then what? You don't improve much further than that. I'd say eventually, all governments will just protect populations and citizens and that's it.


    Isn't that libertarianism?

    Any extra services, like welfare, will cost extra tax and make productive elements move to other countries.

    If there is no country that provide super low tax that you can go to, then you should just accept that the tax you pay as the market price for protection.

    Fortunately there is. You can, for example, incorporate in Belize, Sychelles, and others for 0% tax. Ha ha ha ha ha.....
     
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    Nah mate. There is a notable distinction between living and surviving.

    We are not happy. We are distracted. We can change this if we reject rulers and human slavery.

    Modern states have killed more of their own citizens than all wars throughout human history, and ironically, almost all wars throughout human history were instigated by states.

    Pipedream.

    Government combined with force is tyranny. The ruling class will always use the power of the government to benefit themselves at the expense of everyone else.

    Anarchist armies will protect populations without ever instituting a single mandate.
     

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