I <3 Elizabeth Warren

[Dragon]

I've never said that anyone should fear getting business owners pissed off.

That's true, now that I think of it. You, personally have not, that I know of.

I've said that if a group (like this administration) keeps removing incentives to engage in commerce, we'll do less of it and have fewer employees.

And that's exactly what has happened.

Considering that the main damage to the economy occurred before Obama ever took office, that's kind of a hard position to maintain.

 

[driveby]

My favorite part of looking at this hole, we got in this hole, one billion dollars, uh, one trillion dollars, on tax cuts for the rich under George Bush. We got into this hole two trillion dollars on two wars that were put on a credit card for our children and grandchildren to pay off. And we got into this hole one trillion on a Medicare drug program that was not paid for and was 40% more expensive than its needs to be because it was a giveaway to the drug companies. That's just four trillion right there.
So part of the way you fix this problem is don't do those things!

I hear all this, oh this is class warfare, no! There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody. You built a factory out there -- good for you. But I want to be clear. You moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for. You hired workers the rest of us paid to educate. You were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn't have to worry that maurauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory... Now look. You built a factory and it turned into something terrific or a great idea -- God Bless! Keep a Big Hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.

Elizabeth Warren on Debt Crisis: “Nobody Got Rich on His Own” | American Pendulum

This Marxist douchebag has it backwards, fuckhead gubment bureaucrats exist and get to have inflated salaries and obscene benefits BECAUSE of these business owners...........

 

[Dot Com]

I've never gone hungry because i was always willing to work and i always found someone willing to give me work.

Anyone who says they can't do that is lying.

(Emphasis added.)

You are wrong. It is not always possible to find someone that will give you work.

I disagree...

It may not be conveniently located...or at a wage comprable to what you once earned....or a position with the dignity you believe you deserve....

But you can always find a means to make money....ALWAYS.

O RLLY? See the Great Depression AND the 2nd greatest econ downturn in American history. Know what the 2nd one is?

 

[Oddball]

Da Gubmint is my shepherd, I shall not want.

He feeds me lies about green energy schemes; He leads me on with claims he'll lower the waters.

He restores my EBT card; He guides me in the paths of the free lunch for his name's sake.

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of gainful employment, I fear no loss of unemployment benefits, for you are with me; your WIC and your SSI, they comfort me.

You prepare a table before me in the presence of republicans; You have anointed my refrigerator with free cheese; My dependency overflows.

Surely bureaucrats and loving social workers will follow me all the days of my life, And I will dwell in the house of Da Gubmint forever.

 

[Kuros]

My God. You would think you'd have to be a Democrat to recognize that. You don't. I'm ALL FOR a limited Federal gov't. I really am. But I recognize the contributions the gov't makes to society.

Do you recognize the cost of overreach though? No business owner (well, VERY few) ever advocates we not have government taxation to pay for defense, education, and roads. It's the permanent welfare, the ineffective bureaucracy, the crony capitalism, and the abject waste that I object to. Then when the overspending gets really bad the solution is to just demand I pay more?

That's crap.

Yup. Lots of crony capitalism. I agree. But there's still all that debt that we have to pay off so the next generation doesn't get stuck with it. And there are still legitimate gov't expenses.

You must understand that we younger ones are for tax increases; not because we want to pay for more bureaucracy, but because we need to pay off the costs of the last 30 years of bureaucracy that neither Republicans or Democrats paid for!

And when I hear small biz owners bowing at the altar of GOP "job creator" worship to service GOP starve-the-beast deficit spending recklessness, it gets me riled up.

As for Warren? I understand where she's coming from. Again, this woman has an impressive record. The right can spit vitriol like Marxist and Socialist and job-killer at her; but it won't land. She's a consumer-advocate first and foremost.

 

[bitterlyclingin]

( More about a would be leader of the American adventure into Socialism)

"Elizabeth Warren: Everything you have belongs to us

Posted by William A. Jacobson Thursday, September 22, 2011 at 4:04pm

This is almost enough to cause me to rescind my Bye Bye Brown pronouncement, because Elizabeth Warren ascending to the Senate to replace Scott Brown would make Ted Kennedy seem like the good ol&#8217; days.

The progressives are in a lather about this video by Warren in which she proclaims an almost perfect theory of why redistribution of wealth must be government policy:


&#8220;I hear all this, you know, &#8216;Well, this is class warfare, this is whatever,&#8217;&#8221; she said. &#8220;No. There is nobody in this country who got rich on his own. Nobody.

&#8220;You built a factory out there? Good for you. But I want to be clear: you moved your goods to market on the roads the rest of us paid for; you hired workers the rest of us paid to educate; you were safe in your factory because of police forces and fire forces that the rest of us paid for. You didn&#8217;t have to worry that marauding bands would come and seize everything at your factory, and hire someone to protect against this, because of the work the rest of us did.

&#8220;Now look, you built a factory and it turned into something terrific, or a great idea? God bless. Keep a big hunk of it. But part of the underlying social contract is you take a hunk of that and pay forward for the next kid who comes along.&#8221;

In a sense, no one on the current American political scene has said it better &#8212; everything you have belongs to the state and the people. You will be allowed to keep some of it, but it doesn&#8217;t belong to you.

Remember, this is the woman Obama originally wanted to head the new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau."


» Elizabeth Warren: Everything you have belongs to us - Le·gal In·sur·rec·tion
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[Cuyo]

Thread merge Mods?

 

[Avatar4321]

Want to make a bet?

 

[rightwinger]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

 

[Dragon]

Anyone who can get "everything you have belongs to the state" out of what Warren said has a serious problem comprehending English.

 

[manifold]

 

[Oddball]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

It's presupposed in the structure of her diatribe about me getting to keep "a hunk" of what I've created and earned.

Of course, retaining my nondescript "hunk" presumes that she is the one who gets to decide what is suitable for me to keep...This presumes ownership of it all, no matter how much I may end up with.

 

[manifold]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

It's presupposed in the structure of her diatribe about me getting to keep "a hunk" of what I've created and earned.

Of course, retaining my nondescript "hunk" presumes that she is the one who gets to decide what is suitable for me to keep...This presumes ownership of it all, no matter how much I may end up with.

 

[Dragon]

It's presupposed in the structure of her diatribe about me getting to keep "a hunk" of what I've created and earned.

Of course, retaining my nondescript "hunk" presumes that she is the one who gets to decide what is suitable for me to keep...This presumes ownership of it all, no matter how much I may end up with.

So let me get this straight.

If the government gets to say how much of your hunk it can take for public purposes (the remainder being, by default, yours, subject to the legal demands of your creditors), then the government owns everything you have.

Since this ability on the part of the government is the basis of what we call "taxes," the ability of the government to collect taxes means that the government owns everything you have.

Since, without taxes, the government cannot exist, the existence of the government means that the government owns everything you have.

Do I have that right?

 

[Sunshine]

Anyone who can get "everything you have belongs to the state" out of what Warren said has a serious problem comprehending English.

Well I have 3 degrees and I didn't get that. What I got was that no one in this country has made it 100% alone, and that everyone, even the wealthy factory owner, needs to remember the social contract and his responsibility.

Right now, after a week in the hosptial in August, I feel like more of my 'hunk' belongs to Vanderbilt than me OR the government.

 

[Dragon]

Anyone who can get "everything you have belongs to the state" out of what Warren said has a serious problem comprehending English.

Well I have 3 degrees and I didn't get that. What I got was that no one in this country has made it 100% alone, and that everyone, even the wealthy factory owner, needs to remember the social contract and his responsibility.

Obviously, you with your three degrees have no difficulties comprehending English.

 

[rightwinger]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

It's presupposed in the structure of her diatribe about me getting to keep "a hunk" of what I've created and earned.

Of course, retaining my nondescript "hunk" presumes that she is the one who gets to decide what is suitable for me to keep...This presumes ownership of it all, no matter how much I may end up with.

Even you know that is nonsense

Try harder

 

[Oddball]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

It's presupposed in the structure of her diatribe about me getting to keep "a hunk" of what I've created and earned.

Of course, retaining my nondescript "hunk" presumes that she is the one who gets to decide what is suitable for me to keep...This presumes ownership of it all, no matter how much I may end up with.

Even you know that is nonsense

Try harder

No, it's not nonsense.

If you're going to tell me what "hunk" is suitable for me to keep, it is you who are claiming control over 100%.

But I don't expect someone who looks upon the looter as their friend to understand the nature of the presumptions inherent in the English language.

 

[Oddball]

Anyone who can get "everything you have belongs to the state" out of what Warren said has a serious problem comprehending English.

Well I have 3 degrees and I didn't get that. What I got was that no one in this country has made it 100% alone, and that everyone, even the wealthy factory owner, needs to remember the social contract and his responsibility.

The "social contract" is a myth.

My responsibility ends when I pay the requisite taxes, fees, licenses and other glorified protection loot it takes to run my business and live my life.

 

[Flopper]

I must have missed it....where did she say everything you own belongs to the government?

You aren't just making shit up are you?

She didn't. It's the usually slanted right wing interpretation we see all the time. Obama proposes the wealthy bear a larger portion of the tax burden. Right wing Interpretation-- Obama proposes class warfare.