Hysteria of the Left

[The ClayTaurus]

I was referring to the 90% part more than the 10% part... but whatever, point taken.

 

[dmp]

I was referring to the 90% part more than the 10% part... but whatever, point taken.

Right - 90% of those who protest anti-troops/war/bush are nutjobs. That's not to say 90% of those who disagree with policies/wars/whatever are nutjobs...just those who 'protest those things'.


:gross2:

 

[Bonnie]

I grant the speakers and leaders are crazy, the people getting all the media coverage are trendsetters. There may be people there who are genuine and thoughtful about their critiques of the war, but just like the right protest gets no coverage, neither will they. I still believe most of the reasonable dissenters didn't even show up.


It's called a day job. Hippies.

Absolutely!!

 

[ThomasPaine]

I guess I'm not seeing the point you're trying to make? Is it that the left/socialist/commie protest was more outrageous and crazed then the right protest? Was it that the right protest got no media coverage but the left did?

I'd say any protest AGAINST something is going to be more kooky and full of more crazies then any protest in support of something. And, as a result, media coverage will always flock to the psychos first. It sells well.

The left is full of hysteria. Absolutely. The right won the last election by scaring the shit out of everyone. It's all the same root emotion, the right just capitalizes off of it better than the left.

people in 2004? How? Kerry was enough to scare any thinking American. It's the left that is always manic about some "crisis". Remember the once a week "crisis" of the Clinton Administration? Lord there was a "health crisis", a "environmental crisis", an economic "crisis", a "crisis" for everything. Trying to state that the right is hysteric compared to the day to day hysteria of the left is just bunk. Face it the left loves crying "Fire" in the theatre as that's the only way they can get the vacant intellectual reaction necessary so they can step in with their think tank solutions. If people have a chance to step back and think about real problems the answers the left offer prove time worn failures.

 

[Annie]

You made my point for me.

No Clay, he/she did not. If I read any of this right, by the time of the 2004 election, it had already played out there were no WMD's. Kerry ran on the fact that he'd been 'mislead'. So what the heck are you speaking of?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

No Clay, he/she did not. If I read any of this right, by the time of the 2004 election, it had already played out there were no WMD's. Kerry ran on the fact that he'd been 'mislead'. So what the heck are you speaking of?

I was speaking on the fact that the right campaigned by scaring a lot of people about a country run by a democratic president. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, John Kerry doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but I came away from the election feeling like I should be absolutely terrified if a Democrat won. That was what I was referring to. Other people I'm sure feel other ways. All I was getting at is that right in his post he said he was scared shitless. That's all. Sorry for any confusion.

 

[Annie]

I was speaking on the fact that the right campaigned by scaring a lot of people about a country run by a democratic president. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, John Kerry doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but I came away from the election feeling like I should be absolutely terrified if a Democrat won. That was what I was referring to. Other people I'm sure feel other ways. All I was getting at is that right in his post he said he was scared shitless. That's all. Sorry for any confusion.

In this case, voting for Bush was probably the right choice. Kerry would have been almost guaranteed to pull the troops out, immediately. Then we would all have something to fear.

At the same time, I'll tell you, I AM afraid Bush IS going to pull them too soon. This will prove bin Laden correct, we ARE a paper tiger-afraid for the long haul.

 

[Gunny]

I was speaking on the fact that the right campaigned by scaring a lot of people about a country run by a democratic president. I'm not saying that's a bad thing, John Kerry doesn't exactly inspire confidence, but I came away from the election feeling like I should be absolutely terrified if a Democrat won. That was what I was referring to. Other people I'm sure feel other ways. All I was getting at is that right in his post he said he was scared shitless. That's all. Sorry for any confusion.

Let's get this straight. Not "a Democrat" ..... John Kerry. On his record alone, I wouldn't want an appeaser who is on whatever side of an issue gets teh most votes as President.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

So what you guys are saying is that people who decide to protest their dislike for the war or other issues are not sincere but are instead trying to get on tv?

But I'm going to go ahead and assume that the people taking part in the "support the troops" protest march were sincere in their cause.

I hope nobody reads into this post that I'm trying to "arbitrate" the thread. Just trying to get the argument straight. I like to know where everybody stands on the issues. You know, are they just to the right or are they to the far right?

 

[Hagbard Celine]

 

[Annie]

So what you guys are saying is that people who decide to protest their dislike for the war or other issues are not sincere but are instead trying to get on tv?

But I'm going to go ahead and assume that the people taking part in the "support the troops" protest march were sincere in their cause.

I hope nobody reads into this post that I'm trying to "arbitrate" the thread. Just trying to get the argument straight. I like to know where everybody stands on the issues. You know, are they just to the right or are they to the far right?

I will not try to speak for anyone else, but from what I saw of the 'protest the war' bunch, they are for overthrow of our govenment in particular, democracy in general.


What I saw from the 'Support the Troops' crowd, well was support of the troops. The most derogatory thing they said was, "let those on the other side of the street, know we are here." For Cindy it was, "She doesn't speak for me." Which was actually more of an indictment of the MSM than Cindy herself, a victim of MSM.

 

[Avatar4321]

The left is full of hysteria. Absolutely. The right won the last election by scaring the shit out of everyone. It's all the same root emotion, the right just capitalizes off of it better than the left.

I don't think the right has to do anything to scare people. The Democrats scare people on their own. Yeah I admit i was a bit scared of what would happen if Kerry managed to win. I mean the man announced that he was going to give the Iranians nuclear materials in the first debate. Holy crap Id be scared if the guy who was supposed to be protecting us was handing over potential weapons to guys who make no secret of wanting to kill us.

But in the end, I voted for President Bush because I believed what he stood for. He stood for something. He had a good first term and there was no one who deserved to be President that was running against him.

 

[theim]

Let me pose a question:

If I tell you that it is a very bad idea to go for a little swim in the middle of a lightning storm, is that fearmongering? Am I just trying to strip away your right to enjoy yourself because I personally can't swim well? Or is it simply pointing out that if you do go ahead and take a swim in the middle of a lightning storm, you have an increased risk of getting electrocuted?


If we can agree that the above example is not "fearmongering", why would it be "fearmongering" to look at someone who's foreign policy can be most charitably described as "soft", and who treats the War On Terror as a Police Action On Terror, and say that if we elect this guy, there is a larger chance that our capability of combating terrorism will be diminished, and our position in terms of world leadership will suffer?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

My opinion is that there were a number of people who voted for Bush because they were scared of Kerry's potential. I didn't see it as a campaign of "I'm the better candidate because I have 4 years of experience and I lead us through 9-11, and John Kerry is indecisive and has no real plan etc. etc."

I saw it as a campaign of "I'm the better candidate and that John Kerry guy should scare the ever loving piss out of you."

Is that a bad thing? Not necessarily...

 

[The ClayTaurus]

So what you guys are saying is that people who decide to protest their dislike for the war or other issues are not sincere but are instead trying to get on tv?

But I'm going to go ahead and assume that the people taking part in the "support the troops" protest march were sincere in their cause.

I hope nobody reads into this post that I'm trying to "arbitrate" the thread. Just trying to get the argument straight. I like to know where everybody stands on the issues. You know, are they just to the right or are they to the far right?

Hagbard, if you think everyone at that anti-war protest was/is sincere... you're a little naive, buddy. Even Jon Stewart was making fun of them last night.

 

[Hagbard Celine]

I'm just pointing out yet another instance in which it appears that posters on this board automatically assume that anybody with a differing opinion is either crazy or insincere but people who share their opinions are totally in the right. I'm guilty of it too, but at least I value objectivity.

Please admit that the notion that the anti war protesters are insincere while the support our troops protesters are sincere is ridiculous.

Just because the anti-war people were more flamboyant in their protest does not indicate insincerety.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I'm just pointing out yet another instance in which it appears that posters on this board automatically assume that anybody with a differing opinion is either crazy or insincere but people who share their opinions are totally in the right. I'm guilty of it too, but not as bad I hope.

Please admit that the notion that the anti war protesters are insincere while the support our troops protesters are sincere is ridiculous.

Just because the anti-war people were more flamboyant in their protest does not indicate insincerety.

I believe the support our troops protesters are only there because of the anti-war protesters. I don't think they are insincere about their cause, but I will grant that, if there was no anti-war protest there wouldn't be a pro-war protest.

But overall, the pro-war protesters are more sincere about their message then the anti-war protestors. How sincere can you be when you spend all your time making elaborate costumes and clever signs?

Best part of Jon Stewart's show last night:

Cindy Sheehan clip: "But the media has been doing it's job! Our friends in Congress have been doing their job!"
Cut to Jon Stewart: "Cindy then said 'Clearly, none of you have jobs.'"