Humanism and social change

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    When we had Liberal Education, we used the Conceptual Method. The Conceptual Method is teaching increasingly complex concepts. It is a totally different way of thinking, than how children have been prepared to think since the 1958 National Defense Education Act. Following that Act, we went to the Behaviost Method, which is also used for training dogs. It relies on rewards for punishments for getting children to remember the "right answer", like we teach a dog the right response to a command. The social ramifications of this are great. One ramification is, aruging "you are right", or "no, you are wrong", as through life is a division of good and evil, right and wrong, as opposed to understanding concepts that are neither right or wrong. This has made our discussions really challenging. Some of them go no where at all, and this thread is about getting beyond this barrier to communication, by increasing awareness of humanism and its conflict with religion. Also, awareness of what humanism had to do with social change and the Democracy of the USA.

    We can not understand our democracy without understanding humanism, and unfortunately many Christians oppose humanism. This seems especially true in Texas, a state that buys so many text books, it effects the whole text book industry and what all our children are taught. To discuss this problem we need a good understanding of humanism and what it has to do with the United States being a democracy. The google links might help us discuss the importance, or problem with, humanism, in our school system, and to our whole nation, effcting everything from politics and culture.

    Humanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaHumanism is an approach in study, philosophy, or practice that focuses on human values and concerns. The term has a complex history and is used to mean ...
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    Renaissance humanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaRenaissance humanism was an activity of cultural and educational reform, engaged in by scholars, writers, and civic leaders who are today known as humanists ...
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    The importance of this thread is Christianity supports autocracy, the enemy of democracy.
    Christianity taught kings were chosen by God. The Bible promised God will provide our leaders. The bible tells slaves to be good slaves, because this honors God. Our concepts of human rights comes from outside the bible. Our democracy is the result to literacy in Greek and Roman classics. Prehaps we would benefit from awareness of this?
     
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    We are not a democracy, but a constitutional republic.
    It really doesn’t matter. Our country was not founded on Christianity, but rather with a written guarantee that we have inalienable rights bestowed by “the creator”, as opposed to rights bestowed by man or government. The Bible is irrelevant as a context for governance in this country.
    Again, we’re not a democracy.
     
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    ROFL

    Yeah, that is why we have so many atheist politicians.

    But apparently humanists can't figure out Newtonian physics.

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    There's a fairly distinct difference between Deists and Christians. Our country was founded primarily by Deists- some of the them Christian, but certainly not all, and a sprinkling of Atheists and general mystics in there as well.
     
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    The Founding Fathers were an elite minority. I don't think they have all that much to do with what is going on in most American's heads today. Unfortunate but true. I don't doubt that there are plenty of atheist politicians that go to church every Sunday and tell their Christian constituents what they want to hear.

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    In 1835 tocqueville's book "Democracy in America" was published. To the whole world the US was a democracy with a republican form of government. This democracy was founded on Greek and Roman classics. It begins with the philosophy of Athens, and with humanism, that was spread throughout the nation through public education.

    This is printed in a grade school series of text books called Democracy Series, used in 1940 to moblize the US for the second world war, and maintian patriotic support of the war.

    The bible is a book about kings and slaves, and is not the blue print for democracy or a republic. It makes perfect sense that people who study nothing but the bible would argue the US is not a democracy, and that would be most Republicans. The opposite of democracy is autocracy and Christianity supported the autocracies of Europe. Because of these people, the US had never fully manifested a democracy. It could be said that Christianity is our worst enemy because it relies on theology instead of the information citizens must have, and this makes human beings subjects, not citizens. Christianity puttting its religious truth, where good information should be, has prevented the masses from being well informed. Ignorance is our worst enemy.
     
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    The Bible was not a blueprint for the United States. Many of the founding fathers believed in God but they formed the Constitution and this country as a representative democracy, not a true democracy. The world was a different place back then and a true democracy was not realistically feasible for the 13 colonies. A true democracy allows everyone a vote and the majority wins. The founding fathers also realized that a true democracy could not function as a viable government and the closest they could come to a democracy was a representative democracy where the people elected representatives to represent them in a governmental body to conduct governmental business. They realized the volatility of the electorate and purposely created 2 bodies to conduct business and to have each body elected to different terms to provide a leveling influence on law. A democracy could make a law one day and a week later void it. The will of the people changes daily.

    Throughout history mankind has been ruled by leaders of nations/tribes/groups. Christianity, Islam, Judaism and other religions all worked to some degree and in hand with these leaders. It was not these religions that kept true democracy at bay but realism that true democracy was not feasible. It appears that mankind cannot live without an authority figure in charge. Look around you, in sports team, any grouping of people there are always people who are in charge because that is the way human beings are. If no one was in charge nothing could get accomplished. This is what human beings have done throughout time, elected or appointed leaders. Sure some are bad but they give people a point of reference and someone to blame or praise.
     
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    We do not approve of false humanity...
     
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    Sometimes it really is that simple.
    The FF abhorred unabashed eemocracy with good reason
     
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