Huckabee joins the race and still promotes the despotic “fair tax”!

johnwk

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Listen to Mike Huckabee long enough when he is promoting the “fair tax” and you get the impression the proposal if adopted would reduce the number of Washington bureaucrats, lower taxes, close down the IRS and end Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from incomes. Unfortunately, when one takes the time to actually read the fair tax legislation, H.R. 25, quite the contrary is true. For example, the fair tax proposes to create two new taxes, a 23 percent tax upon the sale of articles of consumption and another 23 percent tax upon the sale of labor while keeping alive Congress’ power to lay and collect taxes calculated from profits, gains, salaries and other lawfully earned incomes.

For those who are interesting in the truth about the tax reform Huckabee supports see: H.R.25 - FairTax Act of 2015

If Huckabee were sincere about ending wasteful spending, balancing the federal budget, shrinking the iron fist which Washington now haw around the necks of the American People and businesses, and moving to a carefully created system designed by our founders, he would promise to work to send the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment to the States for ratification which is the only current proposal that would actually end federal taxes calculated from incomes if it were adopted.


The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."


NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the apportioned tax to be laid.


"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."


NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE

Total U.S. Population


The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to insure that those states who contribute the lion’s share of the tax are guaranteed a representation in Congress proportionately equal to their contribution, i.e., representation with proportional financial obligation!



Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:


State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.



"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."


NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.


"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.


JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
 
Listen to Mike Huckabee long enough....

Actually, listen to JohnWK long enough, like the first sentence, and find a political hack writer propped up with Koch money cross posting the same drivel all over whatever internet blogsite or message board he can find.

Like this one, posted on the Hannity forums 15 hours ago.

:eusa_hand:
 
yep. Club for Greed (thats what Huckabee calls them) hates Huckabee. They have for 15 yrs.
 
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Listen to Mike Huckabee long enough....

Actually, listen to JohnWK long enough, like the first sentence, and find a political hack writer propped up with Koch money cross posting the same drivel all over whatever internet blogsite or message board he can find.

Like this one, posted on the Hannity forums 15 hours ago.

:eusa_hand:


It must really bother you that I make an attempt to do what our Fifth Column news media fails to do ___ expose the Establishment candidates and what they really are about.

Sorry that truth and facts bother you so.


JWK




Are we really to believe the founder of fairtax.org., Leo E. Linbeck Jr. and Herman Cain, both former ringleaders of the federal reserve banking cartel which plunders our national treasury?
 
Listen to Mike Huckabee long enough....

Actually, listen to JohnWK long enough, like the first sentence, and find a political hack writer propped up with Koch money cross posting the same drivel all over whatever internet blogsite or message board he can find.

Like this one, posted on the Hannity forums 15 hours ago.

:eusa_hand:


It must really bother you that I make an attempt to do what our Fifth Column news media fails to do ___ expose the Establishment candidates and what they really are about.

Sorry that truth and facts bother you so.


JWK


Actually "truth and facts" are what I just posted.
Think of me as your ingredient label. The one where you find out what you're about to eat is infested with saturated trans-fat GM cottonseed chemical HFCS. And may contain traces of nuts.
 
Let us look at the real Mike Huckabee


Why would so many people support Huckabee who, in addition to supporting despotic tax reform also has no respect for rights associated with property ownership nor our Constitution’s Tenth Amendment? Mike Huckabee has shown he has no problem using government force to forbid the owners of property to allow their guests to smoke on that property? Mr. Huckabee is a flaming smoke control nanny-state progressive.

Huckabee also has no problem taxing American Citizens to pay for instate tuition for the children of aliens who have invaded our borders.

And let us not forget Huckabee is very much in favor of the fake balanced budget amendments which our RINOs constantly cook up on Capitol Hill

Huckabee is also a big fan of granting line item veto blackmailing powers to the president which our founding fathers specifically objected to during the framing of our Constitution.

Finally, Huckabee also supported the NAFTA and CAFTA and the NAFTA was never about free trade. It was always about a managed trade that is managed by representatives who are not elected by the American people, and a majority of these “managers” are foreigners who represent the interests of international corporate giants who have no allegiance to America or any nation. And if you think this is not true then see Establishment of Binational Panels


The NAFTA was a major step forward to achieve our Global Governance Crowd’s objective to undercut the American People’s elected members of Congress to regulate commerce with foreign nations as our Constitution commands!

And if you do not believe there is a global governance crowd check out the Council on Foreign Relations Global Governance Page: International Institutions and Global Governance: World Order in the 21st Century


JWK

" I believe that there are more instances of the abridgement of the freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachment of those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations." ___ Madison Elliot`s Debates, vol. III, page 87
 
yep. Club for Greed (thats what Huckabee calls them) hates Huckabee. They have for 15 yrs.

And then there are freedom loving people who see Huckabee as con artist who ignores the wisdom of our Constitution, especially its original tax plan.

JWK




Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

 
yep. Club for Greed (thats what Huckabee calls them) hates Huckabee. They have for 15 yrs.

And then there are freedom loving people who see Huckabee as con artist who ignores the wisdom of our Constitution, especially its original tax plan.

JWK




Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

I guess you've never heard of the 16th amendment?
 
yep. Club for Greed (thats what Huckabee calls them) hates Huckabee. They have for 15 yrs.

And then there are freedom loving people who see Huckabee as con artist who ignores the wisdom of our Constitution, especially its original tax plan.

JWK




Are you really ok with 45 percent of our nation’s population who pay no taxes on incomes being allowed to vote for representatives who spend federal revenue which the remaining 55 percent of our nation’s hard working and productive population has contributed into our federal treasury via taxes on incomes when our Constitution requires “Representatives and direct taxes Shall be apportioned among the Several States”?

I guess you've never heard of the 16th amendment?


Did you read the opening post in which the following is stated?


If Huckabee were sincere about ending wasteful spending, balancing the federal budget, shrinking the iron fist which Washington now haw around the necks of the American People and businesses, and moving to a carefully created system designed by our founders, he would promise to work to send the Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment to the States for ratification which is the only current proposal that would actually end federal taxes calculated from incomes if it were adopted.


The Fair Share Balanced Budget Amendment


“SECTION 1. The Sixteenth Amendment is hereby repealed and Congress is henceforth forbidden to lay ``any`` tax or burden calculated from profits, gains, interest, salaries, wages, tips, inheritances or any other lawfully realized money.


NOTE: these words would return us to our founding father’s ORIGINAL TAX PLAN as they intended it to operate! They would also end the experiment with allowing Congress to lay and collect taxes calculated from lawfully earned "incomes" which now oppresses America‘s economic engine and robs the bread which working people have earned when selling their labor!

"SECTION 2. Congress ought not raise money by borrowing, but when the money arising from imposts duties and excise taxes are insufficient to meet the public exigencies, and Congress has raised money by borrowing during the course of a fiscal year, Congress shall then lay a direct tax at the beginning of the next fiscal year for an amount sufficient to extinguish the preceding fiscal year's deficit, and apply the revenue so raised to extinguishing said deficit."


NOTE: Congress is to raise its primary revenue from imposts and duties, [taxes at our water’s edge], and may also lay miscellaneous internal excise taxes on specifically chosen articles of consumption. But if Congress borrows and spends more than is brought in from imposts, duties and miscellaneous excise taxes during the course of a fiscal year, then, and only then, is the apportioned tax to be laid.


"SECTION 3. When Congress is required to lay a direct tax in accordance with Section 1 of this Article, the Secretary of the United States Treasury shall, in a timely manner, calculate each State's apportioned share of the total sum being raised by dividing its total population size by the total population of the united states and multiplying that figure by the total being raised by Congress, and then provide the various State Congressional Delegations with a Bill notifying their State’s Executive and Legislature of its share of the total tax being collected and a final date by which said tax shall be paid into the United States Treasury."


NOTE: our founder’s fair share formula to extinguish an annual deficit would be:

States’ population

---------------------------- X SUM TO BE RAISED = STATE’S FAIR SHARE

Total U.S. Population


The above formula, as intended by our founding fathers, is to insure that those states who contribute the lion’s share of the tax are guaranteed a representation in Congress proportionately equal to their contribution, i.e., representation with proportional financial obligation!



Note also that each State’s number or Representatives, under our Constitution is determined by the rule of apportionment:


State`s Pop.
------------------- X House size (435) = State`s No. of Representatives
U.S. Pop.



"SECTION 4. Each State shall be free to assume and pay its quota of the direct tax into the United States Treasury by a final date set by Congress, but if any State shall refuse or neglect to pay its quota, then Congress shall send forth its officers to assess and levy such State's proportion against the real property within the State with interest thereon at the rate of ((?)) per cent per annum, and against the individual owners of the taxable property. Provision shall be made for a 15% discount for those States paying their share by ((?))of the fiscal year in which the tax is laid, and a 10% discount for States paying by the final date set by Congress, such discount being to defray the States' cost of collection."


NOTE: This section respects the Tenth Amendment and allows each state to raise its share in its own chosen way in a time period set by Congress, but also allows the federal government to enter a state and collect the tax if a state is delinquent in meeting its obligation.


"SECTION 5. This Amendment to the Constitution, when ratified by the required number of States, shall take effect no later than (?) years after the required number of States have ratified it.


JWK


“…..with all these blessings, what more is necessary to make us a happy and a prosperous people? Still one thing more, fellow-citizens—a wise and frugal Government, which shall restrain men from injuring one another, shall leave them otherwise free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned. This is the sum of good government, and this is necessary to close the circle of our felicities“. Thomas Jefferson, First Inaugural Address
 
tl;dr

suffice it to say that the gov't is easy to grow but difficult to trim. It has gotten waaay too big for its britches
 

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