HRC has gained a point in the betting odds

[JakeStarkey]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

 

[CrusaderFrank]

It's all meaningless until the debates, assuming Hillary makes it that far

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, it is all meaningless unless DT does something positive.

If she drops out, Kaine beats Trump even worse.

If Trump drops out, then Pence and Kaine could have quite an election fight.

 

[irosie91]

Frank, it is all meaningless unless DT does something positive.

If she drops out, Kaine beats Trump even worse.

If Trump drops out, then Pence and Kaine could have quite an election fight.

gee------a pence---kaine ticket-------YAAWWWNNN

 

[JakeStarkey]

Frank, it is all meaningless unless DT does something positive.

If she drops out, Kaine beats Trump even worse.

If Trump drops out, then Pence and Kaine could have quite an election fight.

gee------a pence---kaine ticket-------YAAWWWNNN

We want good government. Neither Trump nor HRC will provide that.

 

[Cellblock2429]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

 

[Nyvin]

There is no "oversampling of Democrats". If you look back at the 2012 polls they had around the same ratio of registered voters (ie more Democrats), and those polls ended up being bias in favor of REPUBLICANS.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

If the polling is random, then there is no oversampling if in fact there are more dems than pubs in the US. Guess what, gunner: you misfired again. And since about 1 in 5 GOP are anybody but Trump, the numbers above are probably too favorable to Trump.

 

[Cellblock2429]

There is no "oversampling of Democrats". If you look back at the 2012 polls they had around the same ratio of registered voters (ie more Democrats), and those polls ended up being bias in favor of REPUBLICANS.

Read the article I posted. Deny it all you want, but the polls are rigged to discourage Republican voters from turning out. Here's an online poll by NBC so you can't scream FOX NEWS LIES NBC POLL : Yet Another Online Presidential Poll Has Trump Winning by a Landslide

 

[JakeStarkey]

There is no "oversampling of Democrats". If you look back at the 2012 polls they had around the same ratio of registered voters (ie more Democrats), and those polls ended up being bias in favor of REPUBLICANS.

Read the article I posted. Deny it all you want, butt he polls are rigged to discourage Republican voters from turning out. Here's an online poll by NBC so you can't scream FOX NEWS LIES NBC POLL : Yet Another Online Presidential Poll Has Trump Winning by a Landslide

No, they don't. There is no oversampling, only lies from the far right that can't handle the real fact that Donald is not going to get 40% of the vote.

 

[Cellblock2429]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

If the polling is random, then there is no oversampling if in fact there are more dems than pubs in the US. Guess what, gunner: you misfired again. And since about 1 in 5 GOP are anybody but Trump, the numbers above are probably too favorable to Trump.

Gallup polling, in 2010, that found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents. Nevertheless, more American independents leaned to the Republican Party when compared to the Democratic Party. So the spread is only 2% not the 20% the other polls claim.
Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[JakeStarkey]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

If the polling is random, then there is no oversampling if in fact there are more dems than pubs in the US. Guess what, gunner: you misfired again. And since about 1 in 5 GOP are anybody but Trump, the numbers above are probably too favorable to Trump.

Gallup polling, in 2010, that found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats (tying a 22-year low), 29% as Republicans, and 38% as independents. Nevertheless, more American independents leaned to the Republican Party when compared to the Democratic Party. So the spread is only 2% not the 20% the other polls claim.
Political party strength in U.S. states - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

One, there are more Dems than Pubs in 2016, and one out of five Pubs won't vote for Donald, thus you have why Trump is getting hammered.

Democratic, Republican Identification Near Historical Lows

So if you are giving HRC 95% of the Dems and DJT 75% of the Pubs, then the polls really should be about 12% ahead for HRC. That tells us that the polls are undersampling dems.

 

[Cellblock2429]

We'll find out who is right in about 70 days.

 

[Nyvin]

We'll find out who is right in about 70 days.

No we won't. Hillary will win and you'll just scream "voter fraud!"

Not all polling firms weight by registration either...so if what you're posting about is true you'd see a disparity between those that do and those that don't. You don't see that, you see Trump losing ALL the polls.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Those who scream "fraud" when the facts do not support such a claim need to be tried for libel.

 

[sonic]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

Over sampling democrats has been proven by polling experts to be pure bullshit. Polling organizations poll based on random samples. There are more registered Democrats in this country, than Republicans, so the numbers represent the population.
All this un-skewing crap is nothing more than an attempt to make the polls look better than they are for a given candidate. It's bullshit, and if you have any integrity, you'll stop using it as an excuse.

 

[JakeStarkey]

She is again at 80 to 20. She is in the lead beyond the MOE in eight of fourteen battle ground states, is ahead but within the MOE in four states, and is behind in only two but still within the MOE. There seems to be now pathway to victory for DT. She very well could take 400 EVs.

Election 2016 Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Poll Average 48.4 42.1 Clinton +6.3
4-Way RCP Average 42.0 38.0 Clinton +4.0
Favorability Ratings -10.0 -27.0 Clinton +17.0
Betting Odds 80.0 20.0
Electoral College Clinton Trump Spread
RCP Electoral Map 272 154 Clinton +118
No Toss Up States 362 176
Battlegrounds

Clinton Trump Spread
Pennsylvania 49.2 40.0 Clinton +9.2
Michigan 43.4 36.1 Clinton +7.3
Ohio 45.3 40.5 Clinton +4.8
Florida 45.1 41.8 Clinton +3.3
Iowa 42.0 40.5 Clinton +1.5
Wisconsin 46.7 37.3 Clinton +9.4
North Carolina 45.5 43.8 Clinton +1.7
Virginia 50.2 37.4 Clinton +12.8
New Hampshire 45.0 35.7 Clinton +9.3
Georgia 43.3 43.0 Clinton +0.3
Missouri 40.8 43.8 Trump +3.0
Colorado 46.4 35.6 Clinton +10.8
Nevada 43.3 41.0 Clinton +2.3
Arizona 43.3 44.8 Trump +1.5

This is what happens when they over sample Democrats.
MEDIA DIRTY TRICKS: CBS, NBC Manipulate Polling Data to Show ...
www.thegatewaypundit.com/.../media-dirty-tricks-cbs-nbc-manipulate-polling-data-sh...
Jun 16, 2016 - CBS News is now pushing the pro-Hillary Clinton polls in rapid fashion. ... But, once again, if you correct for oversampling of Democrats you find ...

Over sampling democrats has been proven by polling experts to be pure bullshit. Polling organizations poll based on random samples. There are more registered Democrats in this country, than Republicans, so the numbers represent the population.
All this un-skewing crap is nothing more than an attempt to make the polls look better than they are for a given candidate. It's bullshit, and if you have any integrity, you'll stop using it as an excuse.

It is the only excuse the far right nutters have re: the polls.