How's Cuba's Universal health working out???

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    In Communist Cuba, the Tax Man Cometh
    The recently published code constitutes the first comprehensive taxation in Cuba since the 1959 revolution abolished just about all taxes.
    The government also envisions replacing subsidies for all with targeted welfare, meaning that the largely tax-free life under a paternalistic government is on its way out.

    "This radically changes the state's relationship with the population and taxes become an irritating issue," said Domingo Amuchastegui, a former Cuban intelligence analyst who lives in Miami and writes often about Cuba.

    The new code covers 19 taxes, including such things as inheritance, environment, sales, transportation and farm land, various license fees and three contributions, including social security.

    In Communist Cuba, the Tax Man Cometh - Business News - CNBC

    So while Cuba becomes more like the USA then Russia... THE USA is going BACKWARDS and becoming more LIKE CUBA!!!
    Viva... CHE!!!
     
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    Cuban health...

    Although medical attention remains free, many patients did and still do bring their doctors food, money or other gifts to get to the front of the queue or to guarantee an appointment for an X-ray, blood test or operation.

    If you do not have a contact or money to pay under the table, the waiting time for all but emergency procedures can be ridiculously long.

    Many Cubans complain that top-level government and Communist Party officials have access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn.

    And while the preventative healthcare system works well for children, women over the age of 40 are being shortchanged because yearly mammograms are not offered to the population at large.

    I saw many hospitals where there was often no running water, the toilets did not flush, and the risk of infections - by the hospital's own admission - was extremely high.

    The truths and tales of Cuban healthcare - Features - Al Jazeera English
     
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    Cubans have a better health care system then most Carribean nations, including Puerto Rico.

    And they are on par with many first world nations.
     
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    Man, that economic warfare took a long time.
     
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    Its the envy of communists the world over.......................
     
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    Did you read the first comment???

    Although medical attention remains free,
    many patients did and still do bring their doctors food, money or other gifts to get to the front of the queue or to guarantee an appointment for an X-ray, blood test or operation.

    If you do not have a contact or money to pay under the table, the waiting time for all but emergency procedures can be ridiculously long.

    Many Cubans complain that top-level government and Communist Party officials have access to VIP health treatment, while ordinary people must queue from dawn for a routine test, with no guarantee that the allotted numbers will not run out before it is their turn.

    And while the preventative healthcare system works well for children, women over the age of 40 are being shortchanged because yearly mammograms are not offered to the population at large.

    I saw many hospitals where there was often no running water, the toilets did not flush, and the risk of infections - by the hospital's own admission - was extremely high.

    The truths and tales of Cuban healthcare - Features - Al Jazeera English

    so again.. if they are on par with other countries i.e. hospitals no running water, non-flushing toilets... GEEZ!!!
     
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    Do yourself a favor.

    Travel.

    Because you have no idea what you are talking about.

    I've actually spent time in a Dominican hospital. And I was treated in Haiti for a wound.

    Both places have horrible health care.
     
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    Cuba is an island without any appreciable resources, aside from tourism, and that's choked off by the USA. Even gasoline is a luxury. It's unreasonable to think they can afford the same modern medical resources as the USA.

    To be more fair, compare healthcare in Cuba to healthcare in Haiti. How does that look?

    (On edit: yeah, just like Sallow said.)
     
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    Sallow, have you been to Cuba?

    I actually just got back from there 6 months ago. My grandfather was sick, and we had to take him to the hospital for some procedures. First thing, what healthmyths says about taking food and gifts to the doctors is absolutely true. We were extremely fortunate that our family in Cuba is pretty well connected, and were able to get my grandfather in pretty quickly.

    But that's really not the problem I saw. Because if their healthcare system was in fact any good, it wouldn't matter if you had to wait or not, right?

    The thing about there not being any running water and toilets not flushing? I didn't get a chance to find out for sure, as all the bathrooms had their doors jammed wide open, and you could see a splatter of feces all over the toilet and floor. Even if the door was closed, you could even see the puddle of feces protrude beyond the door. I can't imagine that being very sanitary; specially in the middle of a hospital. And one of the newer ones at that.

    I asked one of the nurses about it and she calmly shrugged it off, and explained to me how it's not their job to clean it. When I asked her where they used the bathroom she said she didn't. She's gotten used to holding it in. Like everyone else.

    If you're wondering where I did my bathroom business, it was in some bushes outside.

    And lastly, I want to talk a little bit about the actual condition of the patients. Given our good relationship with one of the doctors, I asked if she could give me a small tour of the patient quarters. She hesitated a little, but agreed. As we were walking through the first set of double doors she whispered, "Don't say a word. Just walk next to me, look, and think."

    What I went on to see in the next few minutes absolutely floored me. Grotesque and detrimental to say the least. The fact that patients can actually survive in those conditions baffles me. The place was beyond unsanitary, to say the very least.

    There was not a single bed with sheets or blankets. The patients all lay on the bare, cheap, and flimsy mattresses as the patients before. Wheelchairs are all missing the rubber parts of the wheels. She later went on to explain to me that nearly everything has been stolen. And as soon as they send more, they're stolen again. Many times before they even reach the hospital.

    The light switches on the walls were also missing. As it turns out, they're also being stolen to then be sold on the streets. As is everything else. Apparently the hospital serve as hardware stores as well.

    As we were walking, I noticed an incredible amount of patients simply sitting in chairs along the halls. I also noticed that many of them had what looked like an IV going into their vein. This is what really got to me..

    The IVs being injected into the patients weren't in the sealed plastic bags we're used to seen here. In fact, they were using soda bottles cut in half or latex gloves filled with the IV. That was really the kicker for me. I have no idea how those patients are not contracting infections like that. I'm sure they must be. Although I do have to commend those doctors for their ingenuity. It is remarkable.

    I wish I would have been allowed to take pictures.
     
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    Swallow just invents shit to have something to say.
     

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