Howard Dean rallies the Democratic troops

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Lynn Burton - Aspen Daily News Staff Writer
Sat 02/25/2006 10:00PM MST

Coming soon to a congressional election near you -- something akin to the Republicans' Contract with America.

As outlined by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean in Aspen on Saturday, the preliminary points to cover in the agreement will include:
* A raise in the federal minimum wage;
* "Real" stem cell research;
* A balanced federal budget;
* Ethics legislation;
* No selling of public lands "for corporate benefits."

The public lands point drew the loudest round of applause from the crowd at Harris Concert Hall.

Earlier in his talk, Dean said opinion polls show the people of America are ready for a change from Republican to Democratic national leadership. "So we have to position ourselves as a clear alternative to Republicans," he said.

Dean -- a physician, former governor of Vermont and 2004 presidential candidate -- was the guest of the Aspen Institute and was in town to fundraise and meet with Democratic Party leaders. He started his remarks by telling the audience he moved to Aspen in September of 1971 and his first job was pouring concrete. Later, he washed pots and pans at the Golden Horn from 4 p.m. to midnight, and skied during the day. "Season passes were $250," he said. "I skied 80 days."

Dean's 45-minute talk, titled "The Democratic Party's Vision for America," attracted the party faithful and others from up and down the Roaring Fork Valley including Pitkin County Commissioner Dorothea Farris and Carbondale Mayor Michael Hassig.

The former Aspen ski bum made rapid fire points from start to finish, and started by saying the Democratic Party lacked grassroots organization for the past six or seven presidential elections, but is now better organized in all 50 states.

"We want to run a permanent presidential four-year campaign," he said.

Several times, Dean referred to Republican Newt Gingrich's successful election strategies in the early 1990s, and indicated it's OK to emulate them.

"But there has to be a clear difference" between Democrats and Republicans, he said.

Later, during the question-and-answer session, he said, "If you want to win elections you have to be different from the other guy."

To do that, Dean is working with the Democratic leadership to draft a "value statement" to articulate the party's vision. "We haven't seen this since the 1950s ... and it has to mean something."

Many of the issues Dean touched on have been around for years or longer: health care, taxes, public education, energy policy and jobs. Dean said the United States must link jobs to energy independence by shifting part of its workforce to retrofitting homes and businesses, and creating manufacturing jobs in the solar and windpower industries. "Those are jobs in the U.S.," he said. A national health care system would benefit American businesses such as General Motors, which spends more for health care for its workers than it does for the metal that goes into its cars, Dean said. That's one reason GM is spending $2 billion on a manufacturing plant in Canada, he said, so it won't have to pay for health insurance.

"The folks in charge won't change that, but we will," Dean said to a smattering of whoops in the half-full auditorium.

As for the rising cost of energy worldwide as China and India continue their economic expansion, Dean said it should spur the United States to use more ethanol in its cars, and high energy costs will force the United States to divert its resources to energy conservation. "It (China and India) is a problem but I see opportunity here ... we can turn it to our advantage."

Dean didn't spend much time on President Bush, but did say the Katrina Hurricane response was the biggest blow to his presidency. Dean said people around the world always thought the U.S. could adequately respond to a disaster, "But America was exposed" as the government's response "fell apart."

As for the war in Iraq, Dean personally agrees with a strategy that others have voiced that includes: bringing home the National Guard and Reserves, stationing 14,000 special operations forces in a Middle East country near Iraq, sending 20,000 troops to Afghanistan for "a fight worth having" and bringing home the remaining 10,000 troops by 2007.

"We need to take the targets off the backs of Americans," he said.

During the question-and-answer session, Dean said the Democrats must work harder to get their message out, and then pointed to a recent success. He said after the Democrats started referring to the Republicans' "culture of corruption" polls showed the American people believe by a 2:1 margin it's a Republican phenomena, and not Democrat.

So to get the word out and to break through, Democrats must "be concise, clear and repetitive on how they are different from Republicans."
http://www.aspendailynews.com/article_13057
 
The key to american jobs: solar panel and spinner beanie manufacturing. Good stuff.
 
And these morons in Aspen believed that Dean "moved" to Aspen in 1971 and poured concrete and washed pots and pans? smacks of the rest of the politicals who claim to come from poh' roots when in fact they were born with "Silver Spoons" in their ....you fill in the blank! :laugh:
 
Good for Howard! :clap: I look forward to hearing the vision statement of our party and to helping elect Claire McCaskill to the U.S. Senate from Missouri making her our first elected female Senator (Jean Carnahan was appointed to serve for her late husband the great Gov. Mel Carnahan, she lost her re-election bid because Jim Talent rode the Bush coattails after 9/11).

acludem
 
acludem said:
Good for Howard! :clap: I look forward to hearing the vision statement of our party and to helping elect Claire McCaskill to the U.S. Senate from Missouri making her our first elected female Senator (Jean Carnahan was appointed to serve for her late husband the great Gov. Mel Carnahan, she lost her re-election bid because Jim Talent rode the Bush coattails after 9/11).

acludem

The real vision is socialism. What lies do you think they'll come up with?
 
rtwngAvngr said:
The real vision is socialism. What lies do you think they'll come up with?

Socialism? I think not. Social responsibility would be a more appropriate moniker for Dean's plan. In the absence of social responsibility you have social chaos.
 
Bullypulpit said:
Socialism? I think not. Social responsibility would be a more appropriate moniker for Dean's plan. In the absence of social responsibility you have social chaos.

social responsibility? Kind of like how a big brother might treat you?

All i've seen is some yammering about revitalizing our economy by manufacturing aero-electric spinner beanies


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acludem said:
Good for Howard! :clap: I look forward to hearing the vision statement of our party and to helping elect Claire McCaskill to the U.S. Senate from Missouri making her our first elected female Senator (Jean Carnahan was appointed to serve for her late husband the great Gov. Mel Carnahan, she lost her re-election bid because Jim Talent rode the Bush coattails after 9/11).

acludem

That's a vision statement? I suppose so, but is it really somewhere we want to see America go?

As outlined by Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean in Aspen on Saturday, the preliminary points to cover in the agreement will include:
* A raise in the federal minimum wage;
* "Real" stem cell research;
* A balanced federal budget;
* Ethics legislation;
* No selling of public lands "for corporate benefits."

The fact is it looks like its agenda focused on bigger government. And more importantly its lacking vision on the most important aspect of National policy. How do Democrats propose we fight and win the war on terror? How do you have a vision without any thought or mention how to protect Americans? I mean thats the governments main job.

Every single one of those propositions requires more government.

A raise in federal minimum wage is another effort of government trying to pretend they are benefiting the working man. Fact is it doesn't. In fact, minimum wage increases hurt the poor working man incredibly tough. The rich can make adjustments. And those adjustments usually involve laying off people who need jobs Not to mention it hurts all consumers who then have to pay more for their money. This just cries out government interference that will hurt the economy.

"Real stem cell research"

The fact is real stem cell research is going on. There are no laws against private corporations doing private research. In fact, President Bush is the first and only President to have actually funded Stem cell research. The fact is the government shouldn't be involved.

A balanced federal budget.

What Dean is really saying is he is for higher taxes. Last thing we need is the government taking more of our money and stagnating our economic growth. If Democrats really wanted a balanced budget he should tell us what the Democrats plan to cut, because thats the only way to get a balanced budget. And likely the only thing he would cut is our military and intelligence funds much like the Clinton administration did. Do we really want that?

Ethics legislation

I am always dubious when any politician claims he is going to reform government through ethics because he will always find a way to put in some loopholes that allow him to continue to do what he wants but will somehow prohibit his opponents from seriously challenging him. Besides, the Democrats don't know what ethics are let alone how to legislate them.

And what exactly is wrong with selling public land to private owners? What is wrong with buying and selling land? This is a purely marxist philosophy. Government controls all the property. Forbid any more distribution of private property. Of course taking private property is not a problem. And taking other peoples property to give to corporate interests is completely supported by the Democrats. But public property cant be sold.

Regardless it looks like the vision of the Democrat party is bigger government involvement... No huge surprise there.

The vision of the Republican party: Freedom from government involvement except in matters constitutionally given such as national defense.
 
First off, it's the Republican party that wants big brother government, which is government that controls thought, speech and information - read the book 1984 by George Orwell so you understand the term before you use it. It does not refer to government social programs and aid. Have you been reading the news? Anyone could do a better job in fighting the war in Iraq that this administration.

Democrats in '06!! :thewave:

acludem
 
acludem said:
First off, it's the Republican party that wants big brother government, which is government that controls thought, speech and information - read the book 1984 by George Orwell so you understand the term before you use it. It does not refer to government social programs and aid. Have you been reading the news? Anyone could do a better job in fighting the war in Iraq that this administration.
Democrats in '06!! :thewave:

acludem


Oh really like who? Mr Kerry (cut and run).....Mrs Hillary (cut and run). Mr Dick Durbin (turn tail and run)

And you must be joking when you say it's the Republicans who want Big Brother when it has been the Democrats all along that want to legislate everything BUT Abortion...
In California right now you can't even smoke in your car or on the streets in certain towns, and it wasn't Republicans that legislated that..
 
acludem said:
First off, it's the Republican party that wants big brother government, which is government that controls thought, speech and information - read the book 1984 by George Orwell so you understand the term before you use it. It does not refer to government social programs and aid. Have you been reading the news? Anyone could do a better job in fighting the war in Iraq that this administration.

Democrats in '06!! :thewave:

acludem

Dude, I can't help but notice how you completely ignored the fact that Howard Dean just laid out a huge big government program. Every agenda item that you claim Dean is showing vision for is an issue that is going to grow the scope and influence government in the lives of private individuals. Until you can deal with that you really have no claim that you aren't for bigger government interference in our lives.

Also, contrary to Democrat groupthink. The government is supposed to intrude in the lives of people who commit crimes. Its their job.
 
Bonnie said:
Oh really like who? Mr Kerry (cut and run).....Mrs Hillary (cut and run). Mr Dick Durbin (turn tail and run)

And you must be joking when you say it's the Republicans who want Big Brother when it has been the Democrats all along that want to legislate everything BUT Abortion...
In California right now you can't even smoke in your car or on the streets in certain towns, and it wasn't Republicans that legislated that..

If you haven't noticed, the talk coming outta the White House is kinda cut and runny. If you haven't heard, the godfather of the conservative movement, William F. Buckley Jr., has declared that US involvement in Iraq is a "failure".

<blockquote>One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed. <i><a href=http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley.asp>The National Review</a></i>, 2/24/2006</blockquote>

And gosh, Bill O'Reilly stated that:

<blockquote>There are so many nuts in the country -- so many crazies -- that we can't control them. And I don't -- we're never gonna be able to control them. So the only solution to this is to hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible. Because we just can't control these crazy people. </blockquote>

Hmmmm...Sounds kinda cut and runny to me.

As for big government, it is the Bush Administration which has Big Brother peering into everyone's lives. Since Dubbyuh took office in '01, federal spending has increased by nearly 29%, and the budget has gone from surplus into deficits our children's children's children will still be paying.
 
Bullypulpit said:
If you haven't noticed, the talk coming outta the White House is kinda cut and runny. If you haven't heard, the godfather of the conservative movement, William F. Buckley Jr., has declared that US involvement in Iraq is a "failure".

<blockquote>One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed. <i><a href=http://www.nationalreview.com/buckley/buckley.asp>The National Review</a></i>, 2/24/2006</blockquote>

And gosh, Bill O'Reilly stated that:

<blockquote>There are so many nuts in the country -- so many crazies -- that we can't control them. And I don't -- we're never gonna be able to control them. So the only solution to this is to hand over everything to the Iraqis as fast as humanly possible. Because we just can't control these crazy people. </blockquote>

Hmmmm...Sounds kinda cut and runny to me.

As for big government, it is the Bush Administration which has Big Brother peering into everyone's lives. Since Dubbyuh took office in '01, federal spending has increased by nearly 29%, and the budget has gone from surplus into deficits our children's children's children will still be paying.


Well good thing W doesn't take his cues from Buckley then.

And Bully let's just cut to it here regarding the "spying" and please tell me if you really believe "Dubya" is doing it to protect us or listen into our stupid inconsequential conversations out of some Egomaniacal power trip? And when you answer that question please just for a moment cast aside your seething irrational hatred for the man.

Regarding spending, sure the Republicans have spent a lot needlessly I think many of us here agree with that, but also have had emergencies to contend with where spending was necessary. Spending and NSA wiretapping is pawltry compared to how much intrusive legislation and tax hikes the Democrats have passed in all the years they have been in office, the only difference to you is that you agree with abortion, doctor assisted suicide, the banishment of all religion from the public etc etc so you choose to conveniently overlook the intrusivness and decay of our freedoms brought on by Democrats and call it choice, death with dignity, and compassion.

Potato..........potaato
 
acludem said:
First off, it's the Republican party that wants big brother government, which is government that controls thought, speech and information - read the book 1984 by George Orwell so you understand the term before you use it. It does not refer to government social programs and aid. Have you been reading the news? Anyone could do a better job in fighting the war in Iraq that this administration.

Democrats in '06!! :thewave:

acludem


Thanks I needed a little humor today... Howard Dean IS Big Brother. Jeeez you libs. Take a little advice. Fewer bong hits and more reading....
 
Really??? Then why did the NRA support his election as Governor of Vermont? Is the NRA for big brother government?

acludem
 
acludem said:
Really??? Then why did the NRA support his election as Governor of Vermont? Is the NRA for big brother government?

acludem

No, but Howard Dean is a nut, and the NRA loves the occasional nut, especially if he supports concealed carry liscences.
 

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