How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism

[Shadow]

Coming from you? The guy whose post consist of a recycled lineup

of the same one liners. You take liberal,sock puppet,obama lovers, throw it all

together then spend a half hour typing out your 1 sentence mindless

irrelevant opinion that never adds anything of value to the discussion.

Naw your the expert, you spit out all the recycled DNC talking points in every thread you are on. You sound exactly like one of those hip hop guys hitting all of the boards trying to convert everyone to Obama land? Project Convo or whatever the hell it's called. Keep drinkin the koolaid though.

 

[bk1983]

Naw your the expert, you spit out all the recycled DNC talking points in every thread you are on. You sound exactly like one of those hip hop guys hitting all of the boards trying to convert everyone to Obama land? Project Convo or whatever the hell it's called. Keep drinkin the koolaid though.

Yea project Convo good one.. Speaking of koolaid why is it

you support the republican party? Now quick go get one of your one liners

and come back.

 

[xsited1]

"Let me tell you something, if Democrats take the White House and pass a big-government healthcare plan, that's it. Game over. Government will dominate the economy like it does in Europe. Conservatives will spend the rest of their lives trying to turn things around and they will fail."

And he's right. In 4 simple sentences Daschle has summed-up the Democratic Platform (and the neoconservative movement): more government. And when government consumes more than 50% of our lives through taxation (and it's almost there), we aren't really free anymore. We will be forced to march in lock-step with one-another unless a few brave souls try to secede from the United States. Unfortunately, they will probably fail because by then the government will have gotten so big and oppressive that no one will be able to stand in their way.

For some reason, Democrats (and neoconservatives) want more Governmental control over their lives. They want a 'parent' to watch over them from cradle to grave because they are simply not smart enough nor strong enough to take care of themselves. They have been taking over this country for decades and they have almost conquered it. It's just too easy to be lazy and controlled.

 

[Annie]

And he's right. In 4 simple sentences Daschle has summed-up the Democratic Platform (and the neoconservative movement): more government. And when government consumes more than 50% of our lives through taxation (and it's almost there), we aren't really free anymore. We will be forced to march in lock-step with one-another unless a few brave souls try to secede from the United States. Unfortunately, they will probably fail because by then the government will have gotten so big and oppressive that no one will be able to stand in their way.

For some reason, Democrats (and neoconservatives) want more Governmental control over their lives. They want a 'parent' to watch over them from cradle to grave because they are simply not smart enough nor strong enough to take care of themselves. They have been taking over this country for decades and they have almost conquered it. It's just too easy to be lazy and controlled.

I read this earlier in the day and agree. I think I may be hoping against hope that with the condition the economy is in, the conservative Democrats and what's left of 'conservative' Republicans will join together to stop the insanity. As I said, 'hoping against hope.'

 

[Shadow]

Yea project Convo good one.. Speaking of koolaid why is it

you support the republican party? Now quick go get one of your one liners

and come back.

Hit a nerve did I? I am not a Republican,and I originally supported no one in particular. Until I watched the Democratic primaries and all of the Obama supporters online and in the media acting like a-holes (kinda like you...imagine that). I then supported Hillary Clinton over Obama (who is a complete fraud and who apparently has such an ego, that he actually believes his own made up/fake press). So take your one note partisan talking points, and find someone else to parrot them to..I'm not buying what you are selling.

 

[bk1983]

Hit a nerve did I? I am not a Republican,and I originally supported no one in particular. Until I watched the Democratic primaries and all of the Obama supporters online and in the media acting like a-holes (kinda like you...imagine that). I then supported Hillary Clinton over Obama (who is a complete fraud and who apparently has such an ego, that he actually believes his own made up/fake press). So take your one note partisan talking points, and find someone else to parrot them to..I'm not buying what you are selling.

So to sum up that paragraph of garbage, you really stand for nothing,

but simply voted for Clinton because Obama supporters hurt your feelings.

 

[DavidS]

And he's right. In 4 simple sentences Daschle has summed-up the Democratic Platform (and the neoconservative movement): more government. And when government consumes more than 50% of our lives through taxation (and it's almost there), we aren't really free anymore.

Freedom is a relative word. Tell the people of Canada, England, France or Spain they aren't free. Now tell someone who just got laid off from Citigroup who has been receiving cancer treatments under her health insurance that Citigroup gave her that she's free. As I said, freedom is a relative word.

 

[bk1983]

And he's right. In 4 simple sentences Daschle has summed-up the Democratic Platform (and the neoconservative movement): more government. And when government consumes more than 50% of our lives through taxation (and it's almost there), we aren't really free anymore. We will be forced to march in lock-step with one-another unless a few brave souls try to secede from the United States. Unfortunately, they will probably fail because by then the government will have gotten so big and oppressive that no one will be able to stand in their way.

For some reason, Democrats and Republicans want more Governmental control over their lives. They want a 'parent' to watch over them from cradle to grave because they are simply not smart enough nor strong enough to take care of themselves. They have been taking over this country for decades and they have almost conquered it. It's just too easy to be lazy and controlled.

Fixed that for you since you forgot that neocons do makeup a

significant portion of the republican party. Where you opposed to the

dept of homeland security, which developed the biggest increase in govt size?

Does the dept of homeland security in your opinon qualify as that "parent"

for those who are not strong enough or smart enough?

 

[Shadow]

So to sum up that paragraph of garbage, you really stand for nothing,

but simply voted for Clinton because Obama supporters hurt your feelings.

You are so lame. I see you've got nothing.... as usual.

 

[bk1983]

You are so lame. I see you've got nothing.... as usual.

Well I got your number because your my bitch. Like your avatar

you are nothing but a goldfish trying to pass yourself off as a shark.

 

[Shadow]

Well I got your number because your my bitch. Like your avatar

you are nothing but a goldfish trying to pass yourself off as a shark.

You are just a troll. There must be something you REALLY don't wan't folks to talk about in this thread, since you insist on de railing it with your immature ranting and chest beating. I'll let you play with yourself now...don't go blind.

 

[Ravi]

I'm more worried about the exponential growth of government. I can afford my own healthcare.

Credit where credit is due. Those that voted for Bush are the ones that destroyed conservatism.

 

[Red Dawn]

I agree that government financed healthcare has, for decades, been seen by Cons as their firewall to keeping this country from becoming an egalitarian and progressive country, modeled on the prosperous and successful Scandinavian countries.

The weird thing is that odds are a fairly significant number of Cons in cyberspace complaining about the horrors of government-financed healthcare are, themselves on some form of government financed healthcare. Retired veterans, current military, seniors, public school teachers, firemen, cops, city-county- state and federal employees. And their health benefits are generally excellent, better than the average american. Their system seems to work pretty well for them. I'm sure Sarah Palin and John McCain are quite happy with their government-financed healthcare, and I've not once heard either of them complain about what an inefficient and ineffective nightmare their health insurance is.


So, do these cons really think government financed healthcare is some Frankenstein-esqe nightmare of inefficient and crappy socialist experimentation? Of course not. I can only guess, but I suspect they either don't want other people having access to the same high quality health insurance that they have, or they're terrified if americans have the same government-financed healthcare that they have enjoyed, if might make the caricature of the boogeyman of evil government they have constructed a little less effective.

I think the government sucks at a lot of things. I don't think they should be doing warrantless spying on americans, snooping through our library records; I think they suck at regulating social behaviour (war on drugs, gay marriage, sodomy laws, etc). They suck at using tax dollars to invade and occupy nations that don't threaten us. They are, to a large extent, captive to corporate interests that don't promote the public interest. Hello? NAFTA and Wall Street deregulation? But, there's a few things they can do relatively well. And at the scale of a nation-state, there's really no other entity or option for implementing certain public policies.

 

[editec]

The weird thing is that odds are a fairly significant number of Cons in cyberspace complaining about the horrors of government-financed healthcare are, themselves on some form of government financed healthcare. Retired veterans, current military, seniors, public school teachers, firemen, cops, city-county- state and federal employees. And their health benefits are generally excellent, better than the average american. Their system seems to work pretty well for them. I'm sure Sarah Palin and John McCain are quite happy with their government-financed healthcare, and I've not once heard either of them complain about what an inefficient and ineffective nightmare their health insurance is.

Yup.

And they're all ready to tell us how great CAPITALISTIC HEALTH CARE works for us, because why?

Because they don't need to worry about capitalism.

They never actually lived in a capitalistic economy, folks.

McCain's family has been on government welfare from cradle to grave for over three generations.

 

[PeterS]

And when government consumes more than 50% of our lives through taxation (and it's almost there), we aren't really free anymore.

Bull. You are equating freedom to the amount of taxes paid with freedom becoming progressively less as tax rates go up. Following that logic a homeless person who pays almost nothing in taxes is more free than a billionaire who pays the most in taxes. In an incredibly warped way your logic is true but only if you ignore quality and value of life.

The question you need to ask is what value is freedom without quality of life. When given the choice of living in absolute freedom as a bum or in slavery to government as a billionaire I think we all know the choice most would make...

 

[bigdaddygtr]

Bull. You are equating freedom to the amount of taxes paid with freedom becoming progressively less as tax rates go up. Following that logic a homeless person who pays almost nothing in taxes is more free than a billionaire who pays the most in taxes. In an incredibly warped way your logic is true but only if you ignore quality and value of life.

The question you need to ask is what value is freedom without quality of life. When given the choice of living in absolute freedom as a bum or in slavery to government as a billionaire I think we all know the choice most would make...

Are you telling me that xsited 1 is full of shit?? No, he's the epitome of rational though, common sense, and just all out class. When I grow up I wanna be just like him, completely full of shit

 

[NOBama]

When I grow up I wanna be just like him, completely full of shit

Congratulations, you have exceeded your own expctations. That's what I love about America, everybody has the potential to achieve their goals in life!

 

[xsited1]

Freedom is a relative word. Tell the people of Canada, England, France or Spain they aren't free. Now tell someone who just got laid off from Citigroup who has been receiving cancer treatments under her health insurance that Citigroup gave her that she's free. As I said, freedom is a relative word.

They aren't truly free. Freedom is something some people eventually take for granted. They trade freedom for government handouts.

 

[xsited1]

Fixed that for you since you forgot that neocons do makeup a

significant portion of the republican party. Where you opposed to the

dept of homeland security, which developed the biggest increase in govt size?

Does the dept of homeland security in your opinon qualify as that "parent"

for those who are not strong enough or smart enough?

There was nothing to correct since I also said 'neoconservative movement'. Just reread my original post.

Of course I was opposed to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. If you had read my original post, that would have been obvious so you.

 

[xsited1]

Bull. You are equating freedom to the amount of taxes paid with freedom becoming progressively less as tax rates go up. Following that logic a homeless person who pays almost nothing in taxes is more free than a billionaire who pays the most in taxes. In an incredibly warped way your logic is true but only if you ignore quality and value of life.

The question you need to ask is what value is freedom without quality of life. When given the choice of living in absolute freedom as a bum or in slavery to government as a billionaire I think we all know the choice most would make...

That's just the way it is. Here's a quote that applies to your post:

"Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."
Benjamin Franklin