How Tom Daschle Might Kill Conservatism

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    This guy is right. We are screwed.

     
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    It's okay. Under a universal health care plan, even conservatives will be able to get coverage.:eusa_whistle:

    Probably only at an HMO level, but still coverage.:lol:
     
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    I'm more worried about the exponential growth of government. I can afford my own healthcare.
     
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    So, what do you suggest?

    EDIT: Cuz, I mean, under the current system, then the size of government won't matter, because the cost of the current system is going to overflow it. On the other hand, those 'evil' European systems are much less costly. I'm sure you've seen the figures with the percentages (how it's something like 20% of the US budget, but 7% everywhere else with a reasonable health care system)
     
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    Actually, I liked McCain's plan. The problem is that it was too complicated for the election cycle.
     
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    Doggon' serious stuff man. It would be all well and fine if the country had the money to support welfare programs like this, but we don't.

    I've talked with numerous business owners lately and I think we've finally come up with a plan to protect ourselves. Hell, by the time it's all said and done, we may qualify for some of these bennies.

    All I can say is, I'm damned glad we have our house and vehicles paid for.
     
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    I thought McCain's plan was terrible. Funny he called Obama's tax credit

    welfare yet called his tax credit reform. He actually was going to tax

    our healthcare benefits as income. On top of that, the $5000 credit would

    not cover the costs of healthcare, not too mention healthcare costs rise

    an average of 7% every year. Is he going to raise the tax credit every year

    to compensate? It was a very very bad plan imo.
     
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    John McCain gives many Americans a $5000 tax credit to pay for healthcare. (This is the part he's happy to tell you!)

    To pay for that tax credit, he taxes - for the first time ever - your employer-provided healthcare benefits as though they were your income. (This part, he talks about less!)

    In many cases, the difference between the McCain tax hike and his $5000 credit means a tax hike on day one.

    But even for the few people who do start out with a tax cut, it won't last long, because:

    McCain's tax credit grows every year at the speed of inflation, which is about 2%.

    But the cost of healthcare grows over three times faster every year: ~6%! This means that every year, the McCain tax grows and grows. It's a stealth tax, and it falls hardest on the middle class.
     
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    The election is over. You can put the talking points back in the drawer.
     
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    no shit
    lol
    they still dont understand, THEY WON!!!!
     
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