How To Wean the Dependent Off Welfare

[Jarlaxle]

Out of touch.

No, just realistic. Looking at our youth today I'd say starving is the least of their problems.

Dummy. Poor people go to McDonalds because it is cheap. Eating healthy is BEYOND THE MEANS OF OUR WORKING POOR.

You are lying or you are STUPID...so, which is it?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Dude worked his ass off for 20 years, made 11 bucks an hour. Lost his job 7 months ago...and has not found one yet. Can't move. Is he a leech?

If his pinnacle of success was $11/hour menial labor after 20 years...he's an idiot.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I am always amazed when I hear of people working very hard to bring the American people a lower and lower standard of living. Unions are shit. Employers don't "owe" anyone jobs. Fire you without cause. Blah and blah and on and on and all designed to LOWER the standard of living for the middle and lower classes. Declining wages, less benefits, fewer raises. That is a decline in standards from what a great many of us have experienced in the work place.

I would think that none of you posting here are in the muti million dollar earnings range.
Most in the middle. Maybe upper middle. The middle class has been shit on. And shit rolls down hill. So you take it out on the poor person. But like you all say; the very rich pay all the Federal Income taxes. Or most. SO pretend YOUR tax dollar (piddly that it is) is only being spent on what you like (military,war, corp subsidies). Cause you sure aren't of the very rich.

Maybe you won't be so pissed off at the poor. Cause your taxes ain't paying for them.
Your blood pressure wil stay lower, you will be more healthy and then the Medicare costs will be lower for you in the future. Or you won't stroke out worrying about that lady with three kids getting 1000. dollars a month. (That's nirvana I'd say, prolly got a TV and a refrig) If you stroke out, you will apply for SSDI and Medicaid and you hate those programs. SO quit hating the poor. They are trying to survive in a situation not of their making, just like me and you. Will they suck up welfare monies????if its offered........sure they will........just like any good CEO does. You got to survive. Just ask Wall Street about welfare.

Here's a question. Who supports forced birth control of women and men on welfare.
If you don't have a child while still a teen, you do much better in life. SO forced birth control if on welfare.

I support mandatory sterilization before anyone is eligible to collect one cent of welfare of any kind.

Get pregnant, loose welfare. Kids drop out of school, no more welfare. Something has to be done to improve high school graduation rates for poor people and stop the nunber of teenage pregnancies.

Doing nothing to undeucated poor people with children but cuttin their monies out will not be a success. You need a carrot and a stick to change behavior.

Stop the bastard factories. Break the cycle.

 

[BallsBrunswick]

I wonder how many of the people screaming about social programs and displaying a lot of bizarre hatred on the issue are on some form of social programs themselves. I'm guessing quite a few of them.

 

[LoneLaugher]

There is probably some self loathing going on.

 

[Moonglow]

Can the millions of Americans now accustomed to food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches be weaned from this dependency? In principle the answer is “yes” and the cost would be minimal; in practice the answer is “no” given that the solution is anathema to America’s burgeoning therapeutic state.

Let’s begin by disposing of the usual solutions to combat dependency. Forget about cold turkey, no matter how slow the withdrawal period. A 10% reduction in food stamps per month would only invite mayhem.

What about a robust economy to cure dependency? After all, nobody could possibly resist a fresh supply of well-paid jobs. The opposite is more likely: Prosperity boosts tax revenue, and this means more money to buy votes with handouts. With the Democrats in power, prosperity will promote the addiction, not cure it.

Avoidance of dependency, even for those in dire straits, historically rested on personal aversion to being a freeloader. It was the fear of dishonor, humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and disgrace for taking handouts that deterred future dependency. Any job, no matter how menial, was better than the ignominy of publicly lining up for one’s allotment of government-supplied free cheese.

These feelings are probably still part of human nature and hopefully can be reawakened. It would not take much. Food-stamp recipients, for example, could be required to use clearly identified supermarket checkout lines so contemptuous full-pay customers can stare at them. Even better, return to the days when food stamps resembled colorful oversized 10,000-lira notes so everybody saw them, not today’s EBT card indistinguishable from a bank-issued credit or debit card.

But restoring humiliation as the price for government handouts will be difficult. In today’s world everybody except hatemongers must be shielded from any ego damage. Reversing vassalage requires making people feel bad psychologically—demeaned, stigmatized, and humiliated—and the One Commandment of today’s deeply perverse moral cosmology is Thou Shalt Not Deflate Thy Neighbor’s Ego.

In the past, independence rather than servility was prized. Occasional handouts were necessary but viewed as emergency measures to be quickly ended lest the habit of helplessness take root. Aid was to be given but made as distasteful as possible (e.g., recipients would split logs at the town’s woodpile). The medical parallel would be paregoric, an opium-based stomach medicine purposely formulated to be foul-tasting so as to prevent addiction.

By contrast, today’s welfare philosophy might be described as making the recipient as comfortable as possible while government fixes the lingering recession, terrible schools, racism and discrimination, structural economic shifts, and whatever else can be used to explain why youngsters must be fed by Uncle Sam rather than their parents. Mom’s inability to make lunch is not her fault, so why should junior suffer?

Removing the stigma from being on the dole parallels the trend toward normalizing other once condemned behaviors: homosexuality, out-of-wedlock childbirth, guilt-free promiscuity (the “hook-up” culture), piling on debt that cannot be repaid, and stigma-free personal bankruptcy.

In the name of making people feel normal about what was once deplorable servility, the United States is not only sinking deeper into national debt but also banishing a key building block of civil society. Perhaps it is time to bring back some scarlet letters.



How to Wean the Dependent - Taki's Magazine

Why only speak of the lower class, why never the rich? Will you ever wean them of the ability to fuck over the other 99% with their favorable legislation?

 

[hazlnut]

Can the millions of Americans now accustomed to food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches be weaned from this dependency? In principle the answer is “yes” and the cost would be minimal; in practice the answer is “no” given that the solution is anathema to America’s burgeoning therapeutic state.

Let’s begin by disposing of the usual solutions to combat dependency. Forget about cold turkey, no matter how slow the withdrawal period. A 10% reduction in food stamps per month would only invite mayhem.

What about a robust economy to cure dependency? After all, nobody could possibly resist a fresh supply of well-paid jobs. The opposite is more likely: Prosperity boosts tax revenue, and this means more money to buy votes with handouts. With the Democrats in power, prosperity will promote the addiction, not cure it.

Avoidance of dependency, even for those in dire straits, historically rested on personal aversion to being a freeloader. It was the fear of dishonor, humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and disgrace for taking handouts that deterred future dependency. Any job, no matter how menial, was better than the ignominy of publicly lining up for one’s allotment of government-supplied free cheese.

These feelings are probably still part of human nature and hopefully can be reawakened. It would not take much. Food-stamp recipients, for example, could be required to use clearly identified supermarket checkout lines so contemptuous full-pay customers can stare at them. Even better, return to the days when food stamps resembled colorful oversized 10,000-lira notes so everybody saw them, not today’s EBT card indistinguishable from a bank-issued credit or debit card.

But restoring humiliation as the price for government handouts will be difficult. In today’s world everybody except hatemongers must be shielded from any ego damage. Reversing vassalage requires making people feel bad psychologically—demeaned, stigmatized, and humiliated—and the One Commandment of today’s deeply perverse moral cosmology is Thou Shalt Not Deflate Thy Neighbor’s Ego.

In the past, independence rather than servility was prized. Occasional handouts were necessary but viewed as emergency measures to be quickly ended lest the habit of helplessness take root. Aid was to be given but made as distasteful as possible (e.g., recipients would split logs at the town’s woodpile). The medical parallel would be paregoric, an opium-based stomach medicine purposely formulated to be foul-tasting so as to prevent addiction.

By contrast, today’s welfare philosophy might be described as making the recipient as comfortable as possible while government fixes the lingering recession, terrible schools, racism and discrimination, structural economic shifts, and whatever else can be used to explain why youngsters must be fed by Uncle Sam rather than their parents. Mom’s inability to make lunch is not her fault, so why should junior suffer?

Removing the stigma from being on the dole parallels the trend toward normalizing other once condemned behaviors: homosexuality, out-of-wedlock childbirth, guilt-free promiscuity (the “hook-up” culture), piling on debt that cannot be repaid, and stigma-free personal bankruptcy.

In the name of making people feel normal about what was once deplorable servility, the United States is not only sinking deeper into national debt but also banishing a key building block of civil society. Perhaps it is time to bring back some scarlet letters.



How to Wean the Dependent - Taki's Magazine

You have no idea what welfare is.

How about he hedge funds that enjoy billions of dollars of trademark, copyright, and private property protection from the Federal Government, but only pay a tiny fraction of what they earn compared to average middle class consumer buying their goods?

You have no fucking clue how wealth is REALLY REDISTRIBUTED in this country.

 

[Moonglow]

I am always amazed when I hear of people working very hard to bring the American people a lower and lower standard of living. Unions are shit. Employers don't "owe" anyone jobs. Fire you without cause. Blah and blah and on and on and all designed to LOWER the standard of living for the middle and lower classes. Declining wages, less benefits, fewer raises. That is a decline in standards from what a great many of us have experienced in the work place.

I would think that none of you posting here are in the muti million dollar earnings range.
Most in the middle. Maybe upper middle. The middle class has been shit on. And shit rolls down hill. So you take it out on the poor person. But like you all say; the very rich pay all the Federal Income taxes. Or most. SO pretend YOUR tax dollar (piddly that it is) is only being spent on what you like (military,war, corp subsidies). Cause you sure aren't of the very rich.

Maybe you won't be so pissed off at the poor. Cause your taxes ain't paying for them.
Your blood pressure wil stay lower, you will be more healthy and then the Medicare costs will be lower for you in the future. Or you won't stroke out worrying about that lady with three kids getting 1000. dollars a month. (That's nirvana I'd say, prolly got a TV and a refrig) If you stroke out, you will apply for SSDI and Medicaid and you hate those programs. SO quit hating the poor. They are trying to survive in a situation not of their making, just like me and you. Will they suck up welfare monies????if its offered........sure they will........just like any good CEO does. You got to survive. Just ask Wall Street about welfare.

Here's a question. Who supports forced birth control of women and men on welfare.
If you don't have a child while still a teen, you do much better in life. SO forced birth control if on welfare.

I support mandatory sterilization before anyone is eligible to collect one cent of welfare of any kind.

Get pregnant, loose welfare. Kids drop out of school, no more welfare. Something has to be done to improve high school graduation rates for poor people and stop the nunber of teenage pregnancies.

Doing nothing to undeucated poor people with children but cuttin their monies out will not be a success. You need a carrot and a stick to change behavior.

Stop the bastard factories. Break the cycle.

Shooting for that Stalanistic/Hitler derivative are we?

 

[DiamondDave]

No, just realistic. Looking at our youth today I'd say starving is the least of their problems.

Dummy. Poor people go to McDonalds because it is cheap. Eating healthy is BEYOND THE MEANS OF OUR WORKING POOR.

You are lying or you are STUPID...so, which is it?

Yeah.. they just don't get that things like GROCERIES you prepare at HOME are cheaper than even McDonalds... but like a typical libtard, he only thinks that people can do nothing for themselves and they have to go somewhere where it is done for them

 

[DiamondDave]

Dude worked his ass off for 20 years, made 11 bucks an hour. Lost his job 7 months ago...and has not found one yet. Can't move. Is he a leech?

If his pinnacle of success was $11/hour menial labor after 20 years...he's an idiot.

Especially when you can go to a Sheetz or other higher end convenience store and START at $13 an hour...

20 years and you're only at $11 an hour and you are either stupid, an ex-con, have no ambition, or refuse to look at anything that is not immediately in front of you

 

[DiamondDave]

Can the millions of Americans now accustomed to food stamps, subsidized housing, and free school lunches be weaned from this dependency? In principle the answer is “yes” and the cost would be minimal; in practice the answer is “no” given that the solution is anathema to America’s burgeoning therapeutic state.

Let’s begin by disposing of the usual solutions to combat dependency. Forget about cold turkey, no matter how slow the withdrawal period. A 10% reduction in food stamps per month would only invite mayhem.

What about a robust economy to cure dependency? After all, nobody could possibly resist a fresh supply of well-paid jobs. The opposite is more likely: Prosperity boosts tax revenue, and this means more money to buy votes with handouts. With the Democrats in power, prosperity will promote the addiction, not cure it.

Avoidance of dependency, even for those in dire straits, historically rested on personal aversion to being a freeloader. It was the fear of dishonor, humiliation, embarrassment, shame, and disgrace for taking handouts that deterred future dependency. Any job, no matter how menial, was better than the ignominy of publicly lining up for one’s allotment of government-supplied free cheese.

These feelings are probably still part of human nature and hopefully can be reawakened. It would not take much. Food-stamp recipients, for example, could be required to use clearly identified supermarket checkout lines so contemptuous full-pay customers can stare at them. Even better, return to the days when food stamps resembled colorful oversized 10,000-lira notes so everybody saw them, not today’s EBT card indistinguishable from a bank-issued credit or debit card.

But restoring humiliation as the price for government handouts will be difficult. In today’s world everybody except hatemongers must be shielded from any ego damage. Reversing vassalage requires making people feel bad psychologically—demeaned, stigmatized, and humiliated—and the One Commandment of today’s deeply perverse moral cosmology is Thou Shalt Not Deflate Thy Neighbor’s Ego.

In the past, independence rather than servility was prized. Occasional handouts were necessary but viewed as emergency measures to be quickly ended lest the habit of helplessness take root. Aid was to be given but made as distasteful as possible (e.g., recipients would split logs at the town’s woodpile). The medical parallel would be paregoric, an opium-based stomach medicine purposely formulated to be foul-tasting so as to prevent addiction.

By contrast, today’s welfare philosophy might be described as making the recipient as comfortable as possible while government fixes the lingering recession, terrible schools, racism and discrimination, structural economic shifts, and whatever else can be used to explain why youngsters must be fed by Uncle Sam rather than their parents. Mom’s inability to make lunch is not her fault, so why should junior suffer?

Removing the stigma from being on the dole parallels the trend toward normalizing other once condemned behaviors: homosexuality, out-of-wedlock childbirth, guilt-free promiscuity (the “hook-up” culture), piling on debt that cannot be repaid, and stigma-free personal bankruptcy.

In the name of making people feel normal about what was once deplorable servility, the United States is not only sinking deeper into national debt but also banishing a key building block of civil society. Perhaps it is time to bring back some scarlet letters.



How to Wean the Dependent - Taki's Magazine

You have no idea what welfare is.

How about he hedge funds that enjoy billions of dollars of trademark, copyright, and private property protection from the Federal Government, but only pay a tiny fraction of what they earn compared to average middle class consumer buying their goods?

You have no fucking clue how wealth is REALLY REDISTRIBUTED in this country.

Everyone's private property is protected.. and how the hell you consider that WELFARE is beyond me or anyone with any common sense

You do not have any claim to what I earn or have.. sorry charlie

Now what you buy should have a price depending on what you earn?? What??? Milk at $1 a gallon for the 'poor', $3 a gallon for the middle class, and $50 a gallon for the rich?? What kind of freakin' kumbaya commune shit is that??

You are one of the biggest idiot trolls on this board. And with the likes of rdummy and Mr.Shithead on here, that is quite the accomplishment