How to Regulate Colleges?

[Slashsnake]

I'm far from a socialist, but colleges have gotten out of control with costs and treatment of students.

They charge these high rates and then turn around and treat you like a child... God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school for Christ's sake, even though you'll be the one spending your hard earned money paying back what will be their salary after you graduate.

Anyways, it seems like colleges are "non-profit," but charge rates and fees so high that it seems like they're actually making a profit. On top of that, I'm not a fan (at all) of organizations/businesses that think it's "all about them," instead of being fair with the person who is paying for these services. In fact, I completely despise them, and the college sector is one of these businesses.

So, in order to get these colleges off their high horses... I propose the following:

I - Illegal to charge college students out of pocket costs for any fees, tuition, and books for the duration of their time at the college/university. The federal and state governments will pay the college a set dollar amount based on enrollment numbers and average GPA. The higher the average GPA and enrollment, the more money the college will receive.

II - The federal and state government will then charge students a set dollar amount based on their income after they graduate, plus 2.5% interest (which both will be a hell of a lot lower than they're paying now). Students will have an option to re-finance at a bank or credit union, or be able to make monthly payments directly to a website that will allow payment to both at the same time. Another option is to allow students to forgive their college tax credits every year and apply them to their student loans with a 10% bonus in a special savings account they cannot withdrawal from, but still monitor. The account would earn dividends/interest like any other savings account.

III - A small percentage (let's say 5%) of the dollar amount paid back for tuition during the course of the year (minus interest), will be classified as tax credit on your gross yearly income. Example, those who pay $6,000 before interest that year will be able to take $300 more home when they file their federal taxes every February.

It's time for the people to choke these colleges who are on a high horse.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uh, no.

 

[yiostheoy]

This was on PBS recently as well.

There is no damper on college tuition.

 

[Uncensored2008]

This was on PBS recently as well.

There is no damper on college tuition.

The vast majority of colleges are private institutions. They can charge what they please.

May institutions, such as Yale and Harvard are selling a diploma, not an education. They set the price for that product, just as any other retailer does.

 

[Slashsnake]

Uh, no.

How about some actual feedback.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Uh, no.

How about some actual feedback.

Your propositions are complete idiocy and are predicated upon the fallacious notion that institutions of higher learning are socialized, hence subject to the dictates and desires of the government.

 

[RodISHI]

Uh, no.

How about some actual feedback.

A huge place to give feedback.

Many colleges have also turned into crony institutions and party spots.

Why do we support a college professor in Colorado just to spread Islam?

How did Pfizer get so big? I read a few years back it was own in large part by the fund for college professors? (Duke University maybe??)

It seemed to me like many of these colleges get a whole lot of federal grants to do research which in turn merely benefits a few. And why are we spending a billion and a half in federal grants to subsidize foreign education and all when we have bright students right here that could do better with a helping hand?

The bankers make out pretty good when the federal government backs the student loans for students that will never really learn enough to actually use those bits of what they call wisdom and intelligence in the real world. What a racket. I would think that the banker should be on the hook for making loans for young people to go study stuff that will never actually be used by them in the real world.

What happen to businesses training their own people for the skills that they need in their businesses? Trade Unions did it for years and businesses with specialty needs did too.

 

[usmbguest5318]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Colleges and universities are there to do what they do in the way they think is best to do it, given the circumstances specific to the institution in question. It's absurd to think the school should change to suit oneself. It's even more absurd that one would expect that to happen.

 

[Slashsnake]

Uh, no.

How about some actual feedback.

Your propositions are complete idiocy and are predicated upon the fallacious notion that institutions of higher learning are socialized, hence subject to the dictates and desires of the government.

Keep going, not good enough.

 

[Uncensored2008]

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

As an undergrad I once dropped a class because the professor was unethical. I didn't leave the school, I just dropped the class.

 

[Slashsnake]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Because the professor works for the student, not the other way around.

If a student has debt and is 3/4 of the way through to their bachelor's degree and already has $70,000 in debt, the student has every right to call the professor an asshole if they want.

 

[RodISHI]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

I did exactly that. I left after the professor of my main business course attempted to get me to be a madame for him and the other professors in an elaborate scam they came up with to get calledge girls on the hook.

Why are professors like that protected by colleges? Why do board of Regents get paid mega salaries to keep or protect scumbags at colleges teaching young people? What's in it for them?

 

[usmbguest5318]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Because the professor works for the student, not the other way around.

If a student has debt and is 3/4 of the way through to their bachelor's degree and already has $70,000 in debt, the student has every right to call the professor an asshole if they want.

Well, you just keep thinking that....In the real world, consumers don't buy discretionary goods/services with which they have become dissatisfied. If one is dissatisfied, say, with one's attorney, doctor or accountants, one may call him or her an asshole, but in doing so, if one doesn't terminate the relationship, the professional quite likely will.

 

[Jomama]

It's a debt fueled bubble like we had in housing. Take away easy access to stupid money and you'll see price moderation.

Also, if you ever want an example of price collusion it's your top (probably) 300 private schools who are all charging right about $65,000/year all expenses. How in the hell do you have 300 institutions with 300 different cost and capital structures charging the same fee when Harvard is clearly (I don't know...) 10X the demand of school #300 and no additional supply?

 

[Slashsnake]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Because the professor works for the student, not the other way around.

If a student has debt and is 3/4 of the way through to their bachelor's degree and already has $70,000 in debt, the student has every right to call the professor an asshole if they want.

Well, you just keep thinking that....In the real world, consumers don't buy discretionary goods/services with which they have become dissatisfied. If one is dissatisfied, say, with one's attorney, doctor or accounts, one may call him or her an asshole, but in doing so, if one doesn't terminate the relationship, the professional quite likely will.

The professor terminate the relationship? The professor should be fired for even thinking about being disrespectful towards a student.

 

[Uncensored2008]

A huge place to give feedback.

Many colleges have also turned into crony institutions and party spots.

Why do we support a college professor in Colorado just to spread Islam?

How did Pfizer get so big? I read a few years back it was own in large part by the fund for college professors? (Duke University maybe??)

It seemed to me like many of these colleges get a whole lot of federal grants to do research which in turn merely benefits a few. And why are we spending a billion and a half in federal grants to subsidize foreign education and all when we have bright students right here that could do better with a helping hand?

The bankers make out pretty good when the federal government backs the student loans for students that will never really learn enough to actually use those bits of what they call wisdom and intelligence in the real world. What a racket. I would think that the banker should be on the hook for making loans for young people to go study stuff that will never actually be used by them in the real world.

What happen to businesses training their own people for the skills that they need in their businesses? Trade Unions did it for years and businesses with specialty needs did too.

You touch upon a really critical area. Too often the Universities are little more than grant whores. Can we really consider UC Davis "non-profit" when it solicits billions of dollars in grants? This coupled with the sports rackets undercuts any sense of legitimacy these schools have.

Student loans are as you say, quite the racket. More importantly they are the catalyst for obscene tuition rates. The fees charged to students are dissociated from the student through the loan process. The basic equation of return on capital employed is obscured to the student. The idea that an "ethic studies" or other underwater basket weaving degree will do nothing for them is lost in the din of easy financing. Too often the student doesn't grasp that an education is an investment, which must pay dividends to be worthwhile.

 

[usmbguest5318]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Because the professor works for the student, not the other way around.

If a student has debt and is 3/4 of the way through to their bachelor's degree and already has $70,000 in debt, the student has every right to call the professor an asshole if they want.

Well, you just keep thinking that....In the real world, consumers don't buy discretionary goods/services with which they have become dissatisfied. If one is dissatisfied, say, with one's attorney, doctor or accounts, one may call him or her an asshole, but in doing so, if one doesn't terminate the relationship, the professional quite likely will.

The professor terminate the relationship? The professor should be fired for even thinking about being disrespectful towards a student.

The professor is providing a service -- education -- to the student. By leaving the institution, or at least withdrawing from the class, the student is for all intents and purposes, firing the professor. No institution is going to fire a professor over his/her having a contretemps with a student. They wouldn't be able to keep them on staff if that were to happen.

 

[Fenton Lum]

Uh, no.

How about some actual feedback.

A huge place to give feedback.

Many colleges have also turned into crony institutions and party spots.

Why do we support a college professor in Colorado just to spread Islam?

How did Pfizer get so big? I read a few years back it was own in large part by the fund for college professors? (Duke University maybe??)

It seemed to me like many of these colleges get a whole lot of federal grants to do research which in turn merely benefits a few. And why are we spending a billion and a half in federal grants to subsidize foreign education and all when we have bright students right here that could do better with a helping hand?

The bankers make out pretty good when the federal government backs the student loans for students that will never really learn enough to actually use those bits of what they call wisdom and intelligence in the real world. What a racket. I would think that the banker should be on the hook for making loans for young people to go study stuff that will never actually be used by them in the real world.

What happen to businesses training their own people for the skills that they need in their businesses? Trade Unions did it for years and businesses with specialty needs did too.

Sure, america will take on its bankers and economic system.

 

[Uncensored2008]

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The professor terminate the relationship? The professor should be fired for even thinking about being disrespectful towards a student.

Are you kidding? I have seen professors openly mock students who hold religious or political views that are unpopular. Some assault students who fail to goose step to party views.

[VIDEO] Cal Fullerton Professor Punches Pro-Trump Student in the Face During Trump Hatefest » Liberty Alliance

 

[Slashsnake]

God forbid you call the professor out for being an asshole without being kicked out of school

If one truly thinks that of one's professor, why would one want to remain at the school? If one's opinion of one's instructors/professor(s) is so low, one should be indifferent about being there to take their class(s). Moreover, one is, in college, an adult, which means one is there by choice. If one is dissatisfied, one should leave.

Because the professor works for the student, not the other way around.

If a student has debt and is 3/4 of the way through to their bachelor's degree and already has $70,000 in debt, the student has every right to call the professor an asshole if they want.

Well, you just keep thinking that....In the real world, consumers don't buy discretionary goods/services with which they have become dissatisfied. If one is dissatisfied, say, with one's attorney, doctor or accounts, one may call him or her an asshole, but in doing so, if one doesn't terminate the relationship, the professional quite likely will.

The professor terminate the relationship? The professor should be fired for even thinking about being disrespectful towards a student.

The professor is providing a service -- education -- to the student. By leaving the institution, or at least withdrawing from the class, the student is for all intents and purposes, firing the professor. No institution is going to fire a professor over his/her having a contretemps with a student. They wouldn't be able to keep them on staff if that were to happen.

The professor works for the student and should be fired if they act inappropriately. They are employed by the college who is funded by taxpayers and ultimately the student... They aren't self-employed and aren't providing a service, they're working a job.