How to pay for universal healthcare.

[danielpalos]

This is just a beginning.

Now that business won't have to pay for healthcare anymore, make part of that money saved a tax cut and the other part towards universal healthcare.

Since the government would take it over, instead of money going to insurance companies who skim money from every policy, all that revenue would go into paying for healthcare.

And come on Republicans, just for once, don't be stupid. Healthcare companies get their money skimming from the policies they sell. Just the top 10 companies alone account for over a trillion dollars.

The Fortune 500's 10 biggest health-care companies

Let's just cut out the skimmers and the middle man.

Remember, manufacturing has doubled in the last few decades and millions of Americans have been laid off because those jobs were taken by automation. These companies are making money hand over fist. Why not help support a little bit some of the millions they cast aside?

End our warfare State spending. Where is the dedicated funding source for our foreign entanglements? It cannot come from the general fund with general funds meant for the general welfare.

 

[BulletProof]

Too much insurance is, most definitely, the problem.

How do we fix the problem of "too much insurance"? Saying "minimize the reliance on insurance" is just another way of stating the problem.

The answer is deregulation. But, you're right, Republicans aren't interested in that. And, the vast majority of the public are idiots led around by our political leaders.

 

[Sun Devil 92]

This is just a beginning.

Now that business won't have to pay for healthcare anymore, make part of that money saved a tax cut and the other part towards universal healthcare.

Since the government would take it over, instead of money going to insurance companies who skim money from every policy, all that revenue would go into paying for healthcare.

And come on Republicans, just for once, don't be stupid. Healthcare companies get their money skimming from the policies they sell. Just the top 10 companies alone account for over a trillion dollars.

The Fortune 500's 10 biggest health-care companies

Let's just cut out the skimmers and the middle man.

Remember, manufacturing has doubled in the last few decades and millions of Americans have been laid off because those jobs were taken by automation. These companies are making money hand over fist. Why not help support a little bit some of the millions they cast aside?

Government already took it over....a long time ago.

That is why you only have a few insurance companies.

Don't tell me you are stupid enough to believe that the government won't use contractors to administer healthcare.

I mean, I know you are stupid....but not that stupid.

Then again......

 

[Markle]

We don't live in England.

You want their failed health care system.

 

[Markle]

Our Progressive good friends continuously lie about their proposed overhead of Medicare.

Busting Medicare’s “Low Overhead Advantage” Myth
By Bruce McQuain

However, when you make an apples to apples comparison, Medicare comes out much worse than private insurance:

But, as you might expect, when you compare administrative costs on a per-person basis, Medicare is dramatically less efficient than private insurance plans. As you can see here, between 2001-2005, Medicare’s administrative costs on a per-person basis were 24.8% higher, on average, than private insurers.

So, contrary to claims of Alter, Krugman, and President Obama, moving tens of millions of Americans into a government run health care option won’t generate any costs savings through lower administrative costs. Just the opposite.

[...]

Then there’s waste fraud and abuse. Did you happen to catch that little hand wave at “fraud and abuse” in the first quote touting Medicare’s efficiency? What, pray tell, is one of the primary jobs of an administive system? Would you imagine it to be the elimination of fraud and abuse – or said another way, to ensure that the company pays legitimate claims and avoids fraudulent and unnecessary payments?

How efficient is a system which is awash in both fraud and abuse? And, without profit, what incentive do they have to eliminate it?

John Stossel takes that part of the “Medicare efficiency” myth apart:

But there’s a bigger point – the connection between “low” administrative costs and staggeringly HIGH levels of fraud and waste. As Michael Cannon at the Cato Institute and Regina Herzlinger at Harvard Business School have pointed out, much of the 10 to 20 percent of private insurance administrative costs goes to preventing fraud. Private insurers, you see, care about whether or not they lose money. Medicare, with its unlimited claim on the public purse, does not. It’s only taxpayer money, after all.

The results are predictable, but breathtaking nonetheless: an estimated $68 billion (with a B) in outright Medicare fraud every year (About $3 billion in Miami-Dade county ALONE.) On top of that, according to well-respected Dartmouth researchers, roughly a third of Medicare’s total $400 billion annual spending goes to procedures which were medically unnecessary.

[...]

http://www.qando.net/2009/07/02/busting-medicares-low-overhead-advantage-myth/

 

[BulletProof]

It takes a truly incredible amount of stupidity and ignorance for anyone to think socialism is better than the free market. Socialism is inherently inefficient and oppressive. There's no real difference between pointing a gun at someone and supporting socialism, except that you're too cowardly to hold the gun yourself so you want the government to point the gun.

Medicare has much higher overhead, per capita, while also doing a lot less than insurance companies. And, insurance companies themselves could have their overhead easily slashed if the government allowed real competition.

It would be much better for universal healthcare to be administered through a large number of insurance companies, of customer choice, than by the government. Indeed, all current government medical expenditures (vets, elderly, poor, and government employees) should be directed through private insurance companies. Of course, that'll never happen. The self-imagined anti-socialist Republicans are pathetic who'll scream bloody murder if their medical management is turned over to private insurance.

 

[danielpalos]

End our extra-Constitutional drug war to pay for health care, right wingers!

 

[Oldstyle]

This is just a beginning.

Now that business won't have to pay for healthcare anymore, make part of that money saved a tax cut and the other part towards universal healthcare.

Since the government would take it over, instead of money going to insurance companies who skim money from every policy, all that revenue would go into paying for healthcare.

And come on Republicans, just for once, don't be stupid. Healthcare companies get their money skimming from the policies they sell. Just the top 10 companies alone account for over a trillion dollars.

The Fortune 500's 10 biggest health-care companies

Let's just cut out the skimmers and the middle man.

Remember, manufacturing has doubled in the last few decades and millions of Americans have been laid off because those jobs were taken by automation. These companies are making money hand over fist. Why not help support a little bit some of the millions they cast aside?

Of course, if more people got off their lazy fucking ass, and got a Job, from Obama's roaring economic recovery, you know that President Trump inherited, those people would get healthcare provided by their companies, but since they are lazy liberals, work is to a liberal, like a cross is to a vampire.

U.S. job openings hit record high, nearly 6.2 million

You mean if ignorant Republicans got off their asses and got an education, they could get a job.

I hate to point out the obvious, R-Derp...but YOU calling anyone ignorant...is like the coach of the Cleveland Browns calling Bill Belichick a loser! I mean...yeah...you can do it...but damn do you look like a buffoon! You're one of the more clueless posters on this board. It's patently obvious that you've never gotten an education!

 

[debbiedowner]

End our extra-Constitutional drug war to pay for health care, right wingers!

Could save $2 billion a year by eliminating the DEA alone.

Drug Enforcement Administration - Wikipedia

 

[danielpalos]

End our extra-Constitutional drug war to pay for health care, right wingers!

Could save $2 billion a year by eliminating the DEA alone.

Drug Enforcement Administration - Wikipedia

The DEA doesn't Only do marijuana; they should work for the FDA and ensure, label compliance.