How to humiliate the neighbour in front of their guests

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    Scene is from the eastern Mediteranean between a joint Greek-French exercise.
    Participating is also French aircraft-carrier Charles de Gaulle.

    DefenceNet - ΑÎ*ΟΚΛΕΙΣΤΙΚΟ: Τουρκικά F-16 κατά γαλλικών Rafale F.1/F.2 και Super Etendard στο Αιγαίο ! (ανανÎ*ωση)
    The Greek aircraft did tests with Link 16 matching with the French (the tests were entirely successful) when the screens of Greek and French fighter made their debut for Turkish fighter.
    One aircraft E-2C Hawkeye early warning of the French aircraft carrier that participated in the exercise found traces of the invaders from the East and informed the French and Greek aircraft.
    The Turkish fighters were informed that the area is exercise and before entering a room reserved, but not only ignored, but joined in the middle of the exercise and came close to 2 miles away two French Rafale.
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    The same day on the Greek-French exercises, Greek defence minister is on its way flying to Cyprus:


    Turkish warplanes, missiles bearing, harassed the aircraft carrying the other day Greek Defense Minister Evangelos Venizelos on its way to Cyprus..The Turkish insolence interpreted by those in charge of the Ministry of Defense as a signal that Turkey is the boss of the area.
    "I sincerely regret," said Minister of National Defense of Greece, in a speech to the Defense and Foreign Affairs Committees of the Cypriot parliament, "because the day that our parliamentary delegation and myself to my colleagues in Cyprus erchomastan flight service, marked by a series violations of traffic rules in different parts of the Aegean, violations of Greek national airspace and overflights armed Turkish aircraft over Greek islands, in particular over Agathonisi.
    "We had to contact the leaders of scheduled air between the two countries in order to prevent accidents, because, as Mr. Venizelos said," taking place in areas legally bound Greek-French aeronautical performance.

    "This," he added, "is a small sample of the problems we face every day.

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    So in an area best known for its holiday beach resorts, armed warplanes routinely carry out interceptions and mock dogfights.
    This is what we do every day," said 332 Squadron Commander Antonis Vassiliou, whose outfit uses French-built Mirage 2000 jets for interception missions out of Tanagra Air Force base, north of Athens.

    "We intercept aircraft that violate flight rules," Vassiliou said.
    He adds: "It's our way of life ... we remain prepared to address a situation that has built up over years and is likely to continue for many years." That worries politicians.

    Greek officials say the number of violations has held constant at about 1,500 each year, but that Turkish pilots have adopted more aggressive patrolling tactics such as low-altitude flights over tiny populated islands. The increased aggression is troubling, Bakoyannis said.

    Turkey maintains it is not carrying out any air space violations since it defines the area within Greece's control differently from Greek Authorities.
    gulfnews : Greece, Turkey still feel tension in the air


    Other sidenote from today
    http://www.usmessageboard.com/the-m...s-iaf-against-using-airspace.html#post1798707
     
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    I am not sure, but doesnt Greece still has territorial claims on Istanbul? (And Turkey propably has some on Greece too, Ottoman legacy after all).
    Germany didnt renounce its pre WW2 claims on Poland before the reunification, given that Turkey did not participate in WW2, I would guess that noone forced them to relinquish any territorial claims yet.
     
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    Turkey has defined the concept of "grey zones" which means, that Greek territory of this category is actually territory without sovereignity.
    Aegean dispute - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Turkish authorities have spoken of "grey zones" of undetermined sovereignty.
    The Turkish government has avoided to state exactly which islets it wishes to include in this category. On various occasions, Turkish government sources have indicated that islands such as Pserimos, Agathonisi, Fournoi and Gavdos might be included. Most of them had undeniably been in factual Greek possession, which had never previously been challenged by Turkey, and many are inhabited.
    The Turkish air force has reportedly adopted a policy of ignoring Greek claims to all airspace and territorial waters around such formations that it counts as grey zones.
     
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    Greece’s debt has just been downgraded, and experts say that if the country goes belly up, the euro (€) could be in big trouble.
    "The Greek problem will be an acid test for the currency union," a senior German government official told German magazine Der Spiegel.
    Fitch Ratings cut Greece’s credit rating to BBB+, the third-lowest investment grade.
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    Greece is the lowest-rated country in the euro zone.
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    While the government has plans to cut the gap, many analysts are skeptical.
    "The likely rise in public debt to more than 120 percent of GDP next year and further to 125 percent in 2011 would leave the public finances highly exposed to shocks," Fitch analysts wrote in their report.
    Experts are concerned that a Greek bankruptcy could spread to other countries in Europe.
    “Greece is a whole lot more important than Dubai,” Uri Landesman, a fund manager at ING Investment Management, told Bloomberg.
    “There are a lot of banks, in Europe especially, that have exposure to Greece.”
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    Experts: Greece Bankruptcy Could Doom Euro

    Greece must bake smaller breads in the future.
    Current situation is product of illusion to catch Turkey in terms of militarization.
     

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