How to avoid taxes and bite the hand that cared for you.....

[DiamondDave]

Because when you take into account their personal problems, living situations, and whether you deem person X as being more comfortable in paying more compared to person Y, you bring subjective judgement and feeling into it... as justice is blind, so should taxation be, and all aspects of governmental dealings with the citizenry

We should NOT strive for fair... as stated.. fair is SUBJECTIVE... EQUALITY in treatment is what you strive for... you know where you stand, whether your footing is 'better' than someone else or not... subjectivity in playing the 'fair' card has led us further away from equality in treatment than ever before... it has been the engine that has helped this government grow out of control in power, size, spending, reach, and footprint...

What makes treatment equal? Must it be identical?

Bob killed for money.
Jack killed to defend his wife from being murdered.
Ryan killed a soldier in war.

Should they all face the same penalty? Is there any room for intent in your system?

Equality in treatment is indeed identical in treatment...

1) Motive of the murder still makes it murder1 (if it is deemed as murder1)
2) Self defense is not murder... but if somehow it is a conviction of murder1, then YES THEY SHOULD FACE THE SAME PENALTY
3) War is not a crime... if however in the war Ryan commits a murder as deemed by the courts... then YES HE SHOULD FACE THE SAME PENALTY

Just as with the infamous 'hate crime' bullshit.... whether the motivation was racial or was money makes no difference.. except to the touchy feely liberals.... murder1 is murder1.. assault is assault... battery is battery.... etc

 

[Dr.Drock]

Ok you hate me , that has been established.

Back to the question of why you back the millionaires who threaten to leave if they dotn get their way instead of the millionaires who say they dont need a tax cut to stay?


why??????

Did I ever once say him leaving the country was a good thing? Did I say anything remotely close to that? Of course I didn't.

All I said was everyone should get a tax cut, including the particular americans you hate.

 

[Truthmatters]

I mean fuck dude.........................would YOU allow someone to use the resouces of this country, only to run out on the check when it came due?

Corporations do that all the time to communities in this country. Go in, get tax incentives, use up all the resources available and then leave when they see the possibility of slightly better profits in some other slave labor country or right-to-NOT-work state - and if you're the biggest employer in town, you decimate that entire community as well. Lovely "people", these corporations.

people


how insane is that one

 

[DiamondDave]

dear idiot , its what taxes have been doing for our entire history.

There is a reason Americans desided to tax people at differeing rates.

Just because your too stupid to understand why does not mean you get your way.


You were out voted on this LONG ago

1) Not for our entire history... perhaps you should learn your history
2) 'Americans' did not decide.. nor should the citizenry decide... because of human nature of wanting to gain the advantage... and it is exactly why we have a constitution to limit government and not allow tyranny of the masses

And you of all people calling someone else stupid... that is the funniest thing I have seen all day

so now you claim it should be illegal to collect taxes on anyone?

Nice leap.. it was not what was stated....

It should be illegal, however, to take 1 person differently because of subjective 'fairness', where the scale can slide depending on whim, political pressure, political deal making, etc....

Again.. I strive for equality in treatment, blind, just as justice is to be blind... every dollar by every citizen taxed exactly the same.. no exceptions, no loopholes, not touchy feely bullshit

 

[peach174]

I bet we wouldn't be 16 trillion in the hole if the Feds had not passed a federal income tax.
The feds operated just fine before the Federal tax came into being in 1913.
The feds passed that bill to pay off World War I and American citizens have been arguing over the fed. tax system ever since.
Even Hollywood didn't like it. Just watch some of the old black and white movies of the 30's, they always had something in them complaining about the taxes.

 

[ABikerSailor]

I mean fuck dude.........................would YOU allow someone to use the resouces of this country, only to run out on the check when it came due?

Corporations do that all the time to communities in this country. Go in, get tax incentives, use up all the resources available and then leave when they see the possibility of slightly better profits in some other slave labor country or right-to-NOT-work state - and if you're the biggest employer in town, you decimate that entire community as well. Lovely "people", these corporations.

The main problem I have with this guy is that he asked for asylum here in this country, because people were targeting his father in Brazil, and his dad didn't want his son killed, so they came here.

He was GIVEN US Citizenship when he turned 18 due to the circumstances of his entry into this country under asylum.

And now? Just as he's supposed to start paying taxes due to his share of Facebook going public, he's renounced his citizenship so that he doesn't have to pay income tax.

Like I said, he used this country for safety, and now is screwing the people that saved his ass.

 

[peach174]

I mean fuck dude.........................would YOU allow someone to use the resources of this country, only to run out on the check when it came due?

Corporations do that all the time to communities in this country. Go in, get tax incentives, use up all the resources available and then leave when they see the possibility of slightly better profits in some other slave labor country or right-to-NOT-work state - and if you're the biggest employer in town, you decimate that entire community as well. Lovely "people", these corporations.

The main problem I have with this guy is that he asked for asylum here in this country, because people were targeting his father in Brazil, and his dad didn't want his son killed, so they came here.

He was GIVEN US Citizenship when he turned 18 due to the circumstances of his entry into this country under asylum.

And now? Just as he's supposed to start paying taxes due to his share of Facebook going public, he's renounced his citizenship so that he doesn't have to pay income tax.

Like I said, he used this country for safety, and now is screwing the people that saved his ass.

He has paid his taxes. I don't see any charges made on him for tax evasion.
He also paid 500 million in exit taxes.

 

[Mr Natural]

Corporations do that all the time to communities in this country. Go in, get tax incentives, use up all the resources available and then leave when they see the possibility of slightly better profits in some other slave labor country or right-to-NOT-work state - and if you're the biggest employer in town, you decimate that entire community as well. Lovely "people", these corporations.

The main problem I have with this guy is that he asked for asylum here in this country, because people were targeting his father in Brazil, and his dad didn't want his son killed, so they came here.

He was GIVEN US Citizenship when he turned 18 due to the circumstances of his entry into this country under asylum.

And now? Just as he's supposed to start paying taxes due to his share of Facebook going public, he's renounced his citizenship so that he doesn't have to pay income tax.

Like I said, he used this country for safety, and now is screwing the people that saved his ass.

He has paid his taxes. I don't see any charges made on him for tax evasion.
He also paid 500 million in exit taxes.

Good!

At least we shook him down on the way out.

And hopefully the greedy little prick willl stay out.

 

[Charles_Main]

Actually, no...........................................

I just hate those that have benefited from this country who later refuse to pay their fair share.

I mean fuck dude....................we bailed this asshole out of his own country because he was being targeted, gave the fucker U.S. Citizenship, and now that he's made a lot of money from an idea DEVELOPED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, he decides that he doesn't want to pay taxes, so he moves to Singapore and renounces his citizenship.

I mean fuck dude.........................would YOU allow someone to use the resouces of this country, only to run out on the check when it came due?

You guys and this "Their Fair Share" BS. Man you make me sick. Simply by Helping Create Face book the man is responsible for More Tax income to the Government, and Economic Activity. Then you would be in a 1000 years. So SHUT THE FUCK UP.

The Rich are not leaving because they don't want to pay their fair share. You fucking ingrate liberal asshole. They are leaving because they already pay the FUCKING LIONS share of all Taxes, and you FUCKING ASSHOLES say it's not enough.

If I had that much money, I would get the Fuck out of here too. Not to save money, But to escape the Coming Slaughter when you fucking Left wing Loons rise up and start taking heads in your Obama Induced Class Warfare Rage.

Seriously I mean I usually try and Remain Calm and Civil, and I am NOT Rich. But you people make me want to fucking Puke. You Demonize, and Lie about the Very People who have Created the Wealth that made this Nation the Richest and most Powerful nation on Earth. Innovators like Face Book. They don't take something from others. They Create Wealth. When Their IPO hit BILLIONS of Dollars came into Existence. Share of Stock that Millions Bought and Own and will all PAY FUCKING Taxes on. All Because of People like this guy.

You people have Destroyed the American Dream. You have Destroyed the Engine that Created it. You have made it a shameful thing to succeed, and become Rich. The very thing that Made us.

Frankly I hope you enjoy the Broke ass, Shell of a Country that's left once you get your way. I assure you I wont be here anymore to see it. I rather go hang with my Canadian Friends than watch this Great Nations succumb to Your Failed Ideas like so many Before it.

Yanno.....................you might really wanna check out the link.

He's renounced his citizenship because he's going to make money and the only way they can avoid taxes is to renounce their citizenship.

Quick question...........................would YOU give up your citizenship as a member of the United States if it would benefit you financially (i.e. avoiding taxes)?

I did read the link, and Frankly I don't care why he is leaving. The Fact remains that his Contribution alone to Face book created more Wealth and Tax Income than most of the Liberals demonizing him will create or Pay in their Life Times.

Do I think personally that he is ungrateful? Sure, But it is silly for us to Expect anyone, including the Super rich. To make major Financial Decisions based on a sense of Patriotism. And it is maddening to me to watch many of you on the Left demonize the Rich the way you do. I maintain that even paying 0% Taxes a Billionaire does more good for this country than your average worker does. Financially anyways. Period.


But then that is the Disconnect. Many liberals truly believe that the Rich all hole up in Castles and pay no Taxes, Spend no Money, and Employ nobody. Which is utter horse shit. Just today a Rich Person Made me 2100 Dollars, My company a 70,000 Dollar Deco Metal Roof Sale, And gave several of our Employees work to do for a week or 2. So I am not so fast to hate the Rich, They are the only ones who have any damn money to spend on what I sell

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Step 1: Seek political asylum in the US, and be granted citizenship when you're 18.

Step 2: Go to Ivy league school and invent a computer social network and call it Facebook.

Step 3: Move to Singapore (because they don't charge capital gains taxes).

Step 4: After finding out that you're going to be fabulously wealthy from your internet endeavor, renounce your citizenship and remain in Singapore.

EDUARDO Saverin, the billionaire co-founder of Facebook who fled to the US as a teenager to escape the threat of kidnapping, has renounced American citizenship to avoid millions of dollars in taxes when the company goes public this week.

The Brazilian-born Mr Saverin, 30, who has lived in Singapore since 2009, joins a growing number of people giving up US citizenship before a possible increase in tax rates for top earners, putting fresh pressure on President Obama to extend expiring tax breaks for the wealthy.

Mr Saverin appeared in a document published by the Internal Revenue Service on Friday listing Americans who had renounced their citizenship. His spokesman said that he made the move last September.

Mr Saverin is one of several students who helped Mark Zuckerberg to start Facebook at Harvard University ten years ago, putting up the cash to launch the fledgling social network. He acted as its first chief financial officer but was squeezed out of the company after an escalating fallout with Mr Zuckerberg.

His original wealth came from his father, an industrialist who fled to Miami with his family in 1993 after discovering that his son's name had appeared on a list of targets for gangs specialising in kidnap for ransom. Eduardo was granted US citizenship at the age of 18.

Facebook's offering values the company at $US96 billion. Mr Saverin's stake stands at 4 per cent, making it worth nearly $US4 billion and leaving him liable for as much as $US600 million in capital gains tax were he to remain a US citizen.

Mr Saverin's spokesman played down the timing of the move, suggesting that it had more to do with geography than any efforts to dodge taxes. Singapore has no capital gains tax, although US citizens are liable for the levy wherever they live.

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Not to mention, the other co-founder of Facebook, Mark Zuckerberg is already working out a way to ALSO avoid paying his fair share of taxes.

And all this is happening just before Facebook goes public with it's IPO.

You do know that he is actually paying a ton of US taxes on the money he will make from Facebook, don't you? Are you aware that Zuckenberg, even though he is still in the US, will likely avoid even more than the measly $67 million you are winging about in taxes by giving money to schools, colleges, and various other charities?

If you want me to worry about him taking his money out of the country you have to answer one question, and I will even assume that Saverin actually owes society a debt for the work he put into Facebook. Can you explain why the government, and not society itself, should benefit from that debt? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to go back and give all of his teachers an equal share of that $67 million than for the government to take it and spend it on toilet seats for fighter jets?

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Actually, no...........................................

I just hate those that have benefited from this country who later refuse to pay their fair share.

I mean fuck dude....................we bailed this asshole out of his own country because he was being targeted, gave the fucker U.S. Citizenship, and now that he's made a lot of money from an idea DEVELOPED HERE IN THE UNITED STATES, he decides that he doesn't want to pay taxes, so he moves to Singapore and renounces his citizenship.

I mean fuck dude.........................would YOU allow someone to use the resouces of this country, only to run out on the check when it came due?

You guys and this "Their Fair Share" BS. Man you make me sick. Simply by Helping Create Face book the man is responsible for More Tax income to the Government, and Economic Activity. Then you would be in a 1000 years. So SHUT THE FUCK UP.

The Rich are not leaving because they don't want to pay their fair share. You fucking ingrate liberal asshole. They are leaving because they already pay the FUCKING LIONS share of all Taxes, and you FUCKING ASSHOLES say it's not enough.

If I had that much money, I would get the Fuck out of here too. Not to save money, But to escape the Coming Slaughter when you fucking Left wing Loons rise up and start taking heads in your Obama Induced Class Warfare Rage.

Seriously I mean I usually try and Remain Calm and Civil, and I am NOT Rich. But you people make me want to fucking Puke. You Demonize, and Lie about the Very People who have Created the Wealth that made this Nation the Richest and most Powerful nation on Earth. Innovators like Face Book. They don't take something from others. They Create Wealth. When Their IPO hit BILLIONS of Dollars came into Existence. Share of Stock that Millions Bought and Own and will all PAY FUCKING Taxes on. All Because of People like this guy.

You people have Destroyed the American Dream. You have Destroyed the Engine that Created it. You have made it a shameful thing to succeed, and become Rich. The very thing that Made us.

Frankly I hope you enjoy the Broke ass, Shell of a Country that's left once you get your way. I assure you I wont be here anymore to see it. I rather go hang with my Canadian Friends than watch this Great Nations succumb to Your Failed Ideas like so many Before it.

You're an idiot.

The guy is renouncing his citizenship, to the extent it's because of taxes, because he wants to pay ZERO in taxes.

The only way the US could compete with that is to let him pay ZERO in taxes.

Now tell me, what would we gain by doing that?

The idiot here is you.

Do you really believe he paid $365 million in taxes to save in order to avoid paying $67 million?

 

[Stephanie]

How much would it take for you to SELL your American citizenship?

how much would it take for you to give me one of your two houses?

sheeesh..

 

[Oddball]

How much would it take for you to SELL your American citizenship?

How much you wanna pay me for it?