How to argue with a "Christian" who thinks you are a agent of Satan if you use NIV?

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    There's a guy on my F150 board who claims ANYTHING but the original King James is a perversion and a tool of the AntiChrist....I say, the guy is nuts.


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    Link me. I'll see what I can do.
     
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    Yeah, I just tell those nutjobs to get lost. I have several different newer translations, the NASB and the NIV, but not the KJV. How the hell do they think we can still understand that old Middle English stuff anyway? It's a mystery to me... :duh3:
     
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    Thanks mate!

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    I just wouldn't let those folks get to you. A mature Christian isn't going to judge you or others on that issue. I have visited many different non-denominational and denominational churches, and some have very strong doctrinal views on which bible translation is ordained by God.

    None have given a response that made any sense, except to reveal a very unchristian attitude at most.

    The NIV, the New American Standard are both excellent translations as well as the good old K.J.'s.

    It is an unfounded bias. I personally like the N.A.S. or New American Standard, but also refer to the NIV.

    I do have a problem, when some authors jump from one translation to another when trying to support their writings with scripture.

    Rick Warren has done this liberally in his best seller, "The Purpose Driven Life". He has utilized many different translations in order to emphasize or support his views. Unfortunately Warren used these different translations at times to make some "stretches" biblically.

    Bottom line is this: Use the translation that is easiest for you to understand what God's trying to say to you. Even the para-phrased Living Bible can be very helpful.

    Some new Christians will start out with a Para-phrase in modern english, and gradually work into a standard translation, such as K.J., NIV, or NAS.

    Translations to avoid because they are not accurate, would be the New World Translation that is offered by Watch Tower or the Jehovah's Witnesses. i.e. Most references to Jesus being God in the Triune sense or definition have been purposely removed or altered in the New World Translation. This was purposefully done, because the J.W's founder, and their continued doctrinal stance is that Jesus was a created being and not eternal God as God the Father and God the Holy Spirit. They have mutated the famous gospel of John verse that says, "was God(in reference to Jesus) to "was a god(lower case G, and "a god", not "is God".
    Avoid, the book of Mormon, as this is the ramblings and part biblical plagerisms of the false prophet Joseph Smith Jr.. although most Mormon missionaries do carry a K.J. translation. Mormon concept of Jesus is far from biblical.

    I lead a bible study of men outside the church and the men in my group bring different translations with them to the study. They have all chosen what works best for them.

    All of the good translations mentioned do have weak areas where the other translation may have a clearer or more accurate wording, but the overall intent, of these translations; K.J., NIV, and NAS, are excellent and scriptural.


    One last reminder as one Christian to another. Your heart and mind will be at ease if you read Galatians, authored by Paul. These folks that tell you that you should only read the K.J. or your sinning are basically fullfilling the role Judeazers, or like the folks that Paul had to contend with the the Church of Galatia. There was an element in the Galatian church that was pressuring the gentile, Galatian church members to under-go circumcision, and other Jewish based formalities to be accepted as believers. Paul had to express some pretty strong language towards these ones he called Judeazers.

    Anytime a person, in the name of Jesus or as a Christian tells you to change what your doing in some way or you will be sinning, immediately test that person's statement against scripture. One good test is to test those folks lives against scripture. Are they being Pharasitical, or acting like Pharisee's. Are they judging you by biblical standards or their own? Remember that Jesus said that the Pharisee's looked for splinters in other's eyes, while all along they had log-sized splinters in their own.

    False guilt is one of the biggest enemies of Christians. Believers are constantly besieged by do's and don'ts, and this is the very thing that Jesus came to end. Our lives are not supposed to be controlled by don't touch this, don't say that, or don't eat that, but by God's Spirit. This is the Spirit of peace and rest, whilst the storm rages outside. We are to cease striving and just know that God is in control. We don't pray because we want to maintain are salvation or tithe to do the same or voluteer either. We are to be motivated from a position of rest, not worry about whether we are doing something correct or not.

    God's Spirit utilizes the scripture that we retain in our minds and allows those truths to trickle down deep in our inner Man, and the change comes from withing, not from the exterior things we do.

    Just remember when someone says, "King James only!". I personally believe that these judgemental Christians are actually used by old, "fuzzy nose", to cast a good case of false guilt on the truly, seeking believer.

    Phillipians 4:6-7...."Be anxious(do not worry) for nothing, but in everything let your request be know to God...................(there's more).

    Psalms 46:10 "Cease striving, and know that I am God."
     
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    Why argue anyway...you will not change this persons mind anymore than he will change yours...I personally read the King James numerous times...still do not understand everything but have the jest of most....I say read whatever makes you comfortable and not argue semantics! :blues:
     

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