How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000

The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.

The median home value fell to about $170,000 in March from $185,000 a year earlier, according to Zillow.com. That means a buyer who closed on a house just before the tax-credit program expired in April 2010 collected $8,000 but has since lost $15,000 in value. Those who bought earlier in the program have done worse; the median price is down $20,000 from March 2009.

"The $8,000 first-time home buyers tax credit . . . has brought many new families into the housing market," the White House boasted in November 2009 upon announcing an extension and expansion of the program. Judging by sales declines since, that seems beyond doubt. Over the past year, the pace of existing home sales has fallen more than 6% and that of new home sales has fallen 22%.

The credit wasn't great for taxpayers, either. IRS says it paid $26 billion in home buyer credits in 2009 and 2010, enough to cover the maximum $8,000 credit for more than 3 million buyers. (It says at least $513 million went for fraudulent claims. Some claimants hadn't bought houses. Some filed twice. Some were under age 18 or incarcerated.) ...


How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000 - SmartMoney.com


How much more proof do Progressives need to see that their central planning, social engineering, Big Government policies always end up doing far more harm than good?
So it was "more harmful" to lose $15,000 than to lose $23,000 had they not gotten a tax rebate. :cuckoo:


How about not buying a house in the first place and waiting until prices reduce even further?

Now you are onto something called common sense. Keep that train of thought going.
 
The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.

The median home value fell to about $170,000 in March from $185,000 a year earlier, according to Zillow.com. That means a buyer who closed on a house just before the tax-credit program expired in April 2010 collected $8,000 but has since lost $15,000 in value. Those who bought earlier in the program have done worse; the median price is down $20,000 from March 2009.

"The $8,000 first-time home buyers tax credit . . . has brought many new families into the housing market," the White House boasted in November 2009 upon announcing an extension and expansion of the program. Judging by sales declines since, that seems beyond doubt. Over the past year, the pace of existing home sales has fallen more than 6% and that of new home sales has fallen 22%.

The credit wasn't great for taxpayers, either. IRS says it paid $26 billion in home buyer credits in 2009 and 2010, enough to cover the maximum $8,000 credit for more than 3 million buyers. (It says at least $513 million went for fraudulent claims. Some claimants hadn't bought houses. Some filed twice. Some were under age 18 or incarcerated.) ...


How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000 - SmartMoney.com


How much more proof do Progressives need to see that their central planning, social engineering, Big Government policies always end up doing far more harm than good?
So it was "more harmful" to lose $15,000 than to lose $23,000 had they not gotten a tax rebate. :cuckoo:


How about not buying a house in the first place and waiting until prices reduce even further?
So you are saying no one would have bought a house, but as soon as they saw a $8,000 rebate they said, "let's spend a median amount of $185,000 for a house we don't need so we can get an $8,000 rebate." :cuckoo:

What really happened was people who were planning to buy a house had $8,000 more to spend either on the purchase price of the house or on upgrades, or to save, or spend on other things all of which help the economy.
 
Yes it did help slow the fall.

The truth of the matter is that it likely did NOT slow the fall. Rather, it is more likely that sales were made EARLIER than people had planned but I have a glaring suspicion that the actual number of sales over a longer period wou8ld be the same. If you are going to buy a house then you are going to buy a house and the measly 8K is not going to change your mind. The only thing that 8it will do is motivate you to buy NOW rather than waiting 6 months or so. That is EXACTLY what happened with car sales. People that were going to buy a car anyway went ahead and bought one earlier. That is why the sharp increase was followed by a drastic decrease in sales.
 
The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.

The median home value fell to about $170,000 in March from $185,000 a year earlier, according to Zillow.com. That means a buyer who closed on a house just before the tax-credit program expired in April 2010 collected $8,000 but has since lost $15,000 in value. Those who bought earlier in the program have done worse; the median price is down $20,000 from March 2009.

"The $8,000 first-time home buyers tax credit . . . has brought many new families into the housing market," the White House boasted in November 2009 upon announcing an extension and expansion of the program. Judging by sales declines since, that seems beyond doubt. Over the past year, the pace of existing home sales has fallen more than 6% and that of new home sales has fallen 22%.

The credit wasn't great for taxpayers, either. IRS says it paid $26 billion in home buyer credits in 2009 and 2010, enough to cover the maximum $8,000 credit for more than 3 million buyers. (It says at least $513 million went for fraudulent claims. Some claimants hadn't bought houses. Some filed twice. Some were under age 18 or incarcerated.) ...

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000 - SmartMoney.com


How much more proof do Progressives need to see that their central planning, social engineering, Big Government policies always end up doing far more harm than good?



The problem isn't government it's BAD government.
 
The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.

The median home value fell to about $170,000 in March from $185,000 a year earlier, according to Zillow.com. That means a buyer who closed on a house just before the tax-credit program expired in April 2010 collected $8,000 but has since lost $15,000 in value. Those who bought earlier in the program have done worse; the median price is down $20,000 from March 2009.

"The $8,000 first-time home buyers tax credit . . . has brought many new families into the housing market," the White House boasted in November 2009 upon announcing an extension and expansion of the program. Judging by sales declines since, that seems beyond doubt. Over the past year, the pace of existing home sales has fallen more than 6% and that of new home sales has fallen 22%.

The credit wasn't great for taxpayers, either. IRS says it paid $26 billion in home buyer credits in 2009 and 2010, enough to cover the maximum $8,000 credit for more than 3 million buyers. (It says at least $513 million went for fraudulent claims. Some claimants hadn't bought houses. Some filed twice. Some were under age 18 or incarcerated.) ...

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000 - SmartMoney.com


How much more proof do Progressives need to see that their central planning, social engineering, Big Government policies always end up doing far more harm than good?
The problem isn't government it's BAD government.
The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
P. J. O'Rourke
 
The Republicans are the party that says government doesn't work and then they get elected and prove it.
P. J. O'Rourke

It works well enough for a very select number of us.

And NO I do not mean welfare mothers.


I mean our WELFARE BANSTER class.
 
Unless these people sell their home there is no loss. Of course they can't sell their home within three years of buying it or else they have to pay back the $8k credit.

So who is eating this loss right now?

Almost nobody.
 
Unless these people sell their home there is no loss. Of course they can't sell their home within three years of buying it or else they have to pay back the $8k credit.

So who is eating this loss right now?

Almost nobody.

At last someone else figured it out.
 
The tax credit saved the housing industry.

Believe me, I know from personal experience.

And the tax credit was the brainchild of Republican Senator Johnny Isakson of Georgia.

But don't let the facts interfere with your mythology.

LOL at the housing industry being saved.
 
1) The tax credit hasn't cost any homebuyers anything - if they collected the credit, they haven't been able to realize any gains or losses on their home.

2) Home values in my area have remained steady or increased. I can't be held responsible for the mistakes of people half way across the country.
 
1) The tax credit hasn't cost any homebuyers anything - if they collected the credit, they haven't been able to realize any gains or losses on their home.

2) Home values in my area have remained steady or increased. I can't be held responsible for the mistakes of people half way across the country.



Tell that to the businesses that have cratered because of the drop in home equity values that has caused people to stop updating their homes.
 
The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.


Man if you bought a house to use as a home 2 years ago and are needing to sell now maybe you shouldn't have bought a fucking house. If you're not needing to sell it then what's your point?
 
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Man, if you didn't have money for a down payment and couldn't document that you have sufficient income to PAY THE MORTGAGE, INSURANCE, AND TAXES maybe you shouldn't have bought a fucking house.
 
The Further Adventures of Obamanomics!

How the $8,000 Tax Credit Cost Home Buyers $15,000:

The government's recent $8,000 cash incentive for first-time home buyers has proved even more costly for recipients than for taxpayers, according to data released Monday. Typical buyers have lost twice as much to price declines as they received from the program.


Man if you bought a house to use as a home 2 years ago and are needing to sell now maybe you shouldn't have bought a fucking house. If you're not needing to sell it then what's your point?


Was that your opinion when everyone was blaming Bush for the housing collapse?
 
1) The tax credit hasn't cost any homebuyers anything - if they collected the credit, they haven't been able to realize any gains or losses on their home.

2) Home values in my area have remained steady or increased. I can't be held responsible for the mistakes of people half way across the country.



Tell that to the businesses that have cratered because of the drop in home equity values that has caused people to stop updating their homes.

The home equity market dried up...in 2006.

People who cater to folks updating their home LOVED the tax credit - it gave every new homebuyer 8 grand to go spend on updating kitchens, painting bathrooms etc..

In fact, it was jokingly called the Home Depot bailout.
 
Man, if you didn't have money for a down payment and couldn't document that you have sufficient income to PAY THE MORTGAGE, INSURANCE, AND TAXES maybe you shouldn't have bought a fucking house.

Well the 8 thousand couldnt' be applied to your downpayment. Ya either had the funds for a downpayment or you didn't.
 
I'm sorry, but whatever happened to the days when folks saved up down payments of 10%-20% or even more for a house and waited until they knew they would likely be in a place for at least 5-10 years and didn't use their equity as a piggy bank and planned to actually own the house outright at some point?

Now people buy homes with as little down payment as possible with no real commitment to living in the house for any length of time and they cash out their equity every chance they get. The same attitudes that helped bring down the housing market still persist.


A home isn't an "investment" in the way the real estate agents want you to think of it as - if its your HOME its value to OTHERS should be irrelevant, only its value to YOU should matter. If you bought a house 2 years ago with the credit hoping it would be worth more now so you could either sell it for a profit or cash out on some equity - then guess what? YOU ARE A MARKET LOSER, DEAL WITH IT. If you bought a home to live in 2 years ago and you're stilling living there and not expecting to need to move any time soon and not expecting to use it as a piggy bank - then you shouldn't be worried about the price decline.
 

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