How stupid are left wingers? This stupid.

[Billo_Really]

And, what do you propose we do with the windfall of cash?

Pay off the debt and provide everyone in the country with universal health care.

 

[Andylusion]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

First off, you understand that if you place a tax on stock trades... people simply won't trade stocks on Wall Street.... right? There are many other stock exchanges, and I have stocks in companies around the world.

If I'm going to get taxes on my stocks here... then I won't have stocks here. I'll just buy elsewhere. Zero taxes for you. Now if I can do that... and I only make $20,000 last year.... certainly a billionaire can do the same.

Second, you can't prevent companies from off shoring. If I own the company, and I don't want to pay your insane taxes, I'll just move the company out of the country, and all your taxes and closing loop holes BS.... doesn't matter to me anymore.

You think that's a joke?

We finally have an idea of how much money Burger King will save by moving to Canada

The fast food giant stands to save as much as $1.2 billion in taxes over the next three years by moving its headquarters from the United States to Canada, according to a new report by Americans for Tax Fairness, a tax watchdog often critical of corporate tax maneuvers.​

What exactly do you plan to do to prevent this? Force people to stay here in the US? Throw them in jail if they move? Lock up the executives so they can't leave?

See a problem? Unless you plan on reintroducing slavery into US law... you can't stop this.

 

[Andylusion]

And, what do you propose we do with the windfall of cash?

Pay off the debt and provide everyone in the country with universal health care.

LOL! You are crazy. The loss of economic growth would wipe out tax revenues by far more than the gains in corporate tax income.

Moreover, it wouldn't be a fraction of what is needed to pay for universal health care. Not even a fraction.

 

[Billo_Really]

First, this lobbying stuff..... do you think that if you made it illegal to lobby, that they wouldn't lobby? Of course they would. It was just be under the table where we don't see it.

Name one government..... ONE GOVERNMENT..... anywhere in this world today, that isn't lobbied by corporations that are regulated? Where is it? Where is this magic government?

You are effectively suggesting that if it wasn't legal, it wouldn't happen. Well there are many governments where lobbying isn't legal. Which one, would you point to, that it doesn't happen there?

Hint: All of them it does. France? Yup. Germany? Yup. Sweden? Yup. All of them. UK, Spain, China even. Not one example.

You know what the difference is between here and France? We know about the lobbying. They don't. I'd rather know. This idea that you are going to somehow eliminate all outside influence, is just another socialist utopian dream. In reality, politicians meet with business leaders ALL THE TIME. Lobbying never ends. Never.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

You don't care where they get the money..... but if they owe taxes they need to pay it.

My point is, they get the money to pay taxes....... from you. You are paying those taxes. When you say they need to pay it... you are saying in effect "I should pay those taxes!" Because YOU are the one who pays those taxes.

They get their money.... from you.

Now, if your good with that, fine. Just understand that prices will go up, wages will go down, and standards of living will fall, while employment leaves the country.

These are the effects of corporate taxes. You complain about offshoring.... but taxes is the primary driving force behind off shoring. And you can't stop that. In France they tried to prevent companies from off-shoring, and the result was some businesses simply closed.... the rich guys packed up, and moved out of the country, and suddenly a similar company with a similar product, popped up outside the country, where taxes were lower.

Now again, if you are fine with that, great. But just understand YOU are paying those taxes. You say you don't care where they get the money... ok but where they get the money is YOU.

Although you're probably right about lobbyists, you're broadstroking a little too much on me paying their taxes for them. If the corporation happens to be Phillip Morris, then no, I'm not paying any of their taxes, because I don't smoke. If the company is Folgers, I'm not paying for that either, because I don't drink coffee.

 

[Billo_Really]

How in the world do you survive with so much misinformation??

I've read 8 of your posts and this is the third time you have shown that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

The capital gains tax rate is NOT 10%.

In fact, it is 15% (for all investments below a total of $415K) and 20% for all investments above that. There is ALSO a 0% capital gains tax for small investors - up to $37K.

You have continually embarrassed yourself by spreading false information.

The first rule ---- when you're in a hole, stop digging.

So its 15%, that's still less than 25. Dividends are still not taxed and that is fucked! And I'm not spreading anyting false, asshole. I said I don't want them paying less than me, how the fuck is that false?

 

[Billo_Really]

Just another taker, huh?

More right wing BS. You fuckers love to make baseless accusations.

 

[Billo_Really]

First off, you understand that if you place a tax on stock trades... people simply won't trade stocks on Wall Street.... right? There are many other stock exchanges, and I have stocks in companies around the world.

If I'm going to get taxes on my stocks here... then I won't have stocks here. I'll just buy elsewhere. Zero taxes for you. Now if I can do that... and I only make $20,000 last year.... certainly a billionaire can do the same.

Second, you can't prevent companies from off shoring. If I own the company, and I don't want to pay your insane taxes, I'll just move the company out of the country, and all your taxes and closing loop holes BS.... doesn't matter to me anymore.

You think that's a joke?

We finally have an idea of how much money Burger King will save by moving to Canada

The fast food giant stands to save as much as $1.2 billion in taxes over the next three years by moving its headquarters from the United States to Canada, according to a new report by Americans for Tax Fairness, a tax watchdog often critical of corporate tax maneuvers.​

What exactly do you plan to do to prevent this? Force people to stay here in the US? Throw them in jail if they move? Lock up the executives so they can't leave?

See a problem? Unless you plan on reintroducing slavery into US law... you can't stop this.

You are so full of shit! Imposing a .003% tax on traded shares will NOT stop people trading.

 

[Billo_Really]

LOL! You are crazy. The loss of economic growth would wipe out tax revenues by far more than the gains in corporate tax income.

Moreover, it wouldn't be a fraction of what is needed to pay for universal health care. Not even a fraction.

After the government pays off the national debt, how could there not be growth?

 

[francoHFW]

OP- So a RW blog is full of shytte? I'm shocked...

 

[Spare_change]

How in the world do you survive with so much misinformation??

I've read 8 of your posts and this is the third time you have shown that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

The capital gains tax rate is NOT 10%.

In fact, it is 15% (for all investments below a total of $415K) and 20% for all investments above that. There is ALSO a 0% capital gains tax for small investors - up to $37K.

You have continually embarrassed yourself by spreading false information.

The first rule ---- when you're in a hole, stop digging.

So its 15%, that's still less than 25. Dividends are still not taxed and that is fucked! And I'm not spreading anyting false, asshole. I said I don't want them paying less than me, how the fuck is that false?

Aren't you even just a little bit ashamed that you don't know what the hell you're talking about? Let's see --- 16%, 10% - what was the other lie you were trying to spread??? Oh yeah ----- how good obama was at cutting all that government regulation, right?

Dividends are NOT taxed??? Huh? That's what capital gains tax addresses .... damn!

You want to wave your arms, jump up and down, and make sure everybody notices you, but you don't know what you're talking about ..... they see you, but they're laughing at you.

 

[Spare_change]

Just another taker, huh?

More right wing BS. You fuckers love to make baseless accusations.

You have spent 200 posts complainiing about how the government isn't getting enough of EVERYBODY ELSE'S money .... You willing to increase all taxes to 50% - including yours????

I thought not .... "I want, I want, I want .... as long as I don't have to pay for it". The truth is you are living off the success of others, and you contribute shit .... take, take, take.

 

[Slyhunter]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

What loopholes that allow corporations to record money made offshore, offshore. You think every corporation on the planet should pay the US taxes? or just the corporations who operate in the US. Ok so they will all move offshore and no corporation will operate in the US. Your ideas will chase jobs and corporations away.

 

[Spare_change]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

What loopholes that allow corporations to record money made offshore, offshore. You think every corporation on the planet should pay the US taxes? or just the corporations who operate in the US. Ok so they will all move offshore and no corporation will operate in the US. Your ideas will chase jobs and corporations away.

Careful .... too much logic will make his head explode.

 

[FA_Q2]

Tax on capital gains and dividends has noting to do with corporate taxes.

That depends on how you file your corporation.

It still does not matter - corporate taxes are the same as a hidden consumption tax.

 

[FA_Q2]

First, this lobbying stuff..... do you think that if you made it illegal to lobby, that they wouldn't lobby? Of course they would. It was just be under the table where we don't see it.

Name one government..... ONE GOVERNMENT..... anywhere in this world today, that isn't lobbied by corporations that are regulated? Where is it? Where is this magic government?

You are effectively suggesting that if it wasn't legal, it wouldn't happen. Well there are many governments where lobbying isn't legal. Which one, would you point to, that it doesn't happen there?

Hint: All of them it does. France? Yup. Germany? Yup. Sweden? Yup. All of them. UK, Spain, China even. Not one example.

You know what the difference is between here and France? We know about the lobbying. They don't. I'd rather know. This idea that you are going to somehow eliminate all outside influence, is just another socialist utopian dream. In reality, politicians meet with business leaders ALL THE TIME. Lobbying never ends. Never.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

You don't care where they get the money..... but if they owe taxes they need to pay it.

My point is, they get the money to pay taxes....... from you. You are paying those taxes. When you say they need to pay it... you are saying in effect "I should pay those taxes!" Because YOU are the one who pays those taxes.

They get their money.... from you.

Now, if your good with that, fine. Just understand that prices will go up, wages will go down, and standards of living will fall, while employment leaves the country.

These are the effects of corporate taxes. You complain about offshoring.... but taxes is the primary driving force behind off shoring. And you can't stop that. In France they tried to prevent companies from off-shoring, and the result was some businesses simply closed.... the rich guys packed up, and moved out of the country, and suddenly a similar company with a similar product, popped up outside the country, where taxes were lower.

Now again, if you are fine with that, great. But just understand YOU are paying those taxes. You say you don't care where they get the money... ok but where they get the money is YOU.

Although you're probably right about lobbyists, you're broadstroking a little too much on me paying their taxes for them. If the corporation happens to be Phillip Morris, then no, I'm not paying any of their taxes, because I don't smoke. If the company is Folgers, I'm not paying for that either, because I don't drink coffee.

Which is why such a tax is massively regressive - it effects the poor FAR more than the rich.

 

[Billo_Really]

Aren't you even just a little bit ashamed that you don't know what the hell you're talking about? Let's see --- 16%, 10% - what was the other lie you were trying to spread??? Oh yeah ----- how good obama was at cutting all that government regulation, right?

Dividends are NOT taxed??? Huh? That's what capital gains tax addresses .... damn!

You want to wave your arms, jump up and down, and make sure everybody notices you, but you don't know what you're talking about ..... they see you, but they're laughing at you.

Ad hominems are not valid rebuttals.

 

[Billo_Really]

Which is why such a tax is massively regressive - it effects the poor FAR more than the rich.

That's not the point. The rich are getting tax cuts I don't get. The more tax they pay, the more revenue for the government. The more revenue for the government, the more it has the ability to pay off the debt. The more it pays off the debt, the better it is for average American's.

 

[Billo_Really]

You have spent 200 posts complainiing about how the government isn't getting enough of EVERYBODY ELSE'S money .... You willing to increase all taxes to 50% - including yours????

I thought not .... "I want, I want, I want .... as long as I don't have to pay for it". The truth is you are living off the success of others, and you contribute shit .... take, take, take.

Now you're just trolling...

 

[ChrisL]

Which is why such a tax is massively regressive - it effects the poor FAR more than the rich.

That's not the point. The rich are getting tax cuts I don't get. The more tax they pay, the more revenue for the government. The more revenue for the government, the more it has the ability to pay off the debt. The more it pays off the debt, the better it is for average American's.

The government doesn't pay off the debt because it has NO plans on doing that.

 

[Billo_Really]

What loopholes that allow corporations to record money made offshore, offshore. You think every corporation on the planet should pay the US taxes? or just the corporations who operate in the US. Ok so they will all move offshore and no corporation will operate in the US. Your ideas will chase jobs and corporations away.

That's ridiculous! Wherever there is a market, there will be businesses supplying it.