How stupid are left wingers? This stupid.

[Billo_Really]

Then how about lowering taxes for everyone?

I'm down with that.

 

[Andylusion]

So, what you want, is corporations paying more tax.

Now where does that money come from?

A: Higher prices to consumers. (you)
B: Lower wages to employees. (you)
C: Fewer jobs, and lower growth from the entire country. (you).

Which of these results of your views, do you think is good?

I'm not going to respond to your little strawman bullshit. If you want to know what I want, ask me.

How is it a straw man? Where do you think money comes from? You think companies have money trees hidden in the back yard, where Bill and Monica can get to together, shake the tree, and endless piles of money to pay all the taxes you demand, fall into the hands of passing politicians?

How is this a strawman?? Corporations do not have one single penny that doesn't come from either charging customers more, or paying employees less, or they don't invest in growth of the company and the economy.

If you think that's a strawman then you back it up. You prove how that is a strawman.

It isn't. It's reality. You want to deny reality, fine. But don't whine like a baby when I point it out.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

You have to be rightwinger stupid to think that the "favorite drink!" demand is so inelastic as to not be able to absorb 1.5 cent per ounce tax.

What is more likely going on is this pricing and conversation around it is a continuous reminder to people why they shouldn't drink soda - it's most likely bad for your health and so it becomes NOT their favorite drink.

The tax is simply the the straw that accelerated ongoing national trend: "We are in our 10th year of consecutive year-on-year declines in traditional soda volumes in the U.S.," said Adam Fleck, an analyst with Morningstar

Bottled water set to topple soda sales for the first time

Like cigarette taxes, this is sound policy that depresses demand on products consumption of which costs all tax payers on the healthcare back end.

Hey look....

It's Al Gore.....

We know what's better for you than you do.....

And that is how we justify removing choices from you......

Stupid prick

Isn't it amazing how proud they are for raising the price of something to the point you can't afford it and claim it's for you own good. And then decide 15 bucks an hour to flip burgers is a fair wage and there's no way that price increase will make people not buy the items.

You have to be a special kind of stupid to be a liberal.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

So, what you want, is corporations paying more tax.

Now where does that money come from?

A: Higher prices to consumers. (you)
B: Lower wages to employees. (you)
C: Fewer jobs, and lower growth from the entire country. (you).

Which of these results of your views, do you think is good?

I'm not going to respond to your little strawman bullshit. If you want to know what I want, ask me.

How is it a straw man? Where do you think money comes from? You think companies have money trees hidden in the back yard, where Bill and Monica can get to together, shake the tree, and endless piles of money to pay all the taxes you demand, fall into the hands of passing politicians?

How is this a strawman?? Corporations do not have one single penny that doesn't come from either charging customers more, or paying employees less, or they don't invest in growth of the company and the economy.

If you think that's a strawman then you back it up. You prove how that is a strawman.

It isn't. It's reality. You want to deny reality, fine. But don't whine like a baby when I point it out.

It's a strawman because it totally butt fucks billo's entire line of thinking.

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Tax on capital gains and dividends has noting to do with corporate taxes.

That depends on how you file your corporation.

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

 

[Billo_Really]

How is it a straw man?

When you started telling me what I wanted, that's a typical intro to a strawman. However, taking a second look at your post, I can see you were just paraphrasing what I said. I don't want them paying less tax rate than I do. If that means they have to pay more tax to make that happen, then yes, I want them to pay more tax.

Where do you think money comes from?

That's a little off topic.

You think companies have money trees hidden in the back yard, where Bill and Monica can get to together, shake the tree, and endless piles of money to pay all the taxes you demand, fall into the hands of passing politicians?

Now that's definitely a strawman. Telling me what I think? You want to know what I think, ask me what I think and I will tell you what I think. You don't tell me.

How is this a strawman?? Corporations do not have one single penny that doesn't come from either charging customers more, or paying employees less, or they don't invest in growth of the company and the economy.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

If you think that's a strawman then you back it up. You prove how that is a strawman.

It isn't. It's reality. You want to deny reality, fine. But don't whine like a baby when I point it out.

The reality is we need to cut off this corporate welfare they are reaping from the government at the expense of average Americans.

If I had my way, corporations wouldn't have any voice in government at all. Lobby groups would be illegal and prison time would be waiting for corporate managers having any contact with elected officials.

 

[Billo_Really]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

 

[Spare_change]

I really like your stance .....

"We REALLY need all this stuff, as long as somebody else pays for it."

Makes a lot of sense to me ... you want to handle my utilities bill for this month?

I'm all for getting rid of the Dept of Homeland Security.

How many regulations does that government agency eat up?

You want to get rid of TSA, I'm down with that to.

Maybe we should divert some of that money into remedial English classes, huh?

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't have the slightest idea what the DHS does. You need to do some serious studying before anybody takes your nonsense seriously.

 

[Spare_change]

Gim

How is it a straw man?

When you started telling me what I wanted, that's a typical intro to a strawman. However, taking a second look at your post, I can see you were just paraphrasing what I said. I don't want them paying less tax rate than I do. If that means they have to pay more tax to make that happen, then yes, I want them to pay more tax.

Where do you think money comes from?

That's a little off topic.

You think companies have money trees hidden in the back yard, where Bill and Monica can get to together, shake the tree, and endless piles of money to pay all the taxes you demand, fall into the hands of passing politicians?

Now that's definitely a strawman. Telling me what I think? You want to know what I think, ask me what I think and I will tell you what I think. You don't tell me.

How is this a strawman?? Corporations do not have one single penny that doesn't come from either charging customers more, or paying employees less, or they don't invest in growth of the company and the economy.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

If you think that's a strawman then you back it up. You prove how that is a strawman.

It isn't. It's reality. You want to deny reality, fine. But don't whine like a baby when I point it out.

The reality is we need to cut off this corporate welfare they are reaping from the government at the expense of average Americans.

If I had my way, corporations wouldn't have any voice in government at all. Lobby groups would be illegal and prison time would be waiting for corporate managers having any contact with elected officials.

Gimme, gimme, gimme ....

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

So why in the world would you want to pay 25% in taxes? Why would you ever want to be taxed at that level?

 

[Spare_change]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

And, what do you propose we do with the windfall of cash?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Hold on now. So you're for raising taxes on people and if they can't find the loop holes to not pay those taxes then it's their fault for being dumb. But in the same vein you of course would call them tax dodgers right?

I'm saying I don't want anyone paying a less tax rate than I do. We need to raise the tax rate on capital gains and dividends to 25%. Close all the loopholes that allow corporations to off-shore their profits. And we need to impose a Financial Transactions Tax on every single traded share on Wall Street.

And, what do you propose we do with the windfall of cash?

Whatever it is they do with the cash better be fucking fast because they will only get that one time. Nobody is going to keep working at that tax rate.

 

[Spare_change]

With Sales Depressed by Soda Tax, Philly Grocers Look to Cut Jobs as Mayor Blames 'Greedy' Soda Industry

"I didn't think it was possible for the soda industry to be any greedier," Kenney said in an emailed statement to Philly.com reporter Julia Terruso. "They are so committed to stopping this tax from spreading to other cities, that they are not only passing the tax they should be paying onto their customer, they are actually willing to threaten working men and women's jobs rather than marginally reduce their seven figure bonuses."

Raise taxes on something and shocked that tax gets passed on to the customer. Democrats are fucking retards.

I used to be a Republican......thirty years. I voted for Eisenhower, Goldwater, Nixon three times. When I finally realized that the only things they were doing was cutting tax rates, borrowing what they spent from foreign banks and running up the national debt I swore that I'd never vote for another one. That was at the end of Reagan's first term. I'm 82 years old and I wouldn't vote for a goddamned money grubbing, asshole Republican if my life depended on it!

It does, my friend, it does.

 

[Andylusion]

Where do you think money comes from?

That's a little off topic.

How is this a strawman?? Corporations do not have one single penny that doesn't come from either charging customers more, or paying employees less, or they don't invest in growth of the company and the economy.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

If you think that's a strawman then you back it up. You prove how that is a strawman.

It isn't. It's reality. You want to deny reality, fine. But don't whine like a baby when I point it out.

The reality is we need to cut off this corporate welfare they are reaping from the government at the expense of average Americans.

If I had my way, corporations wouldn't have any voice in government at all. Lobby groups would be illegal and prison time would be waiting for corporate managers having any contact with elected officials.

First, this lobbying stuff..... do you think that if you made it illegal to lobby, that they wouldn't lobby? Of course they would. It was just be under the table where we don't see it.

Name one government..... ONE GOVERNMENT..... anywhere in this world today, that isn't lobbied by corporations that are regulated? Where is it? Where is this magic government?

You are effectively suggesting that if it wasn't legal, it wouldn't happen. Well there are many governments where lobbying isn't legal. Which one, would you point to, that it doesn't happen there?

Hint: All of them it does. France? Yup. Germany? Yup. Sweden? Yup. All of them. UK, Spain, China even. Not one example.

You know what the difference is between here and France? We know about the lobbying. They don't. I'd rather know. This idea that you are going to somehow eliminate all outside influence, is just another socialist utopian dream. In reality, politicians meet with business leaders ALL THE TIME. Lobbying never ends. Never.

I don't give a shit where they get their money, if they owe taxes, they need to pay it. Not off-shore it somewhere so they could pay less. And they'll invest anywhere there is a demand that will result in profits.

You don't care where they get the money..... but if they owe taxes they need to pay it.

My point is, they get the money to pay taxes....... from you. You are paying those taxes. When you say they need to pay it... you are saying in effect "I should pay those taxes!" Because YOU are the one who pays those taxes.

They get their money.... from you.

Now, if your good with that, fine. Just understand that prices will go up, wages will go down, and standards of living will fall, while employment leaves the country.

These are the effects of corporate taxes. You complain about offshoring.... but taxes is the primary driving force behind off shoring. And you can't stop that. In France they tried to prevent companies from off-shoring, and the result was some businesses simply closed.... the rich guys packed up, and moved out of the country, and suddenly a similar company with a similar product, popped up outside the country, where taxes were lower.

Now again, if you are fine with that, great. But just understand YOU are paying those taxes. You say you don't care where they get the money... ok but where they get the money is YOU.

 

[Billo_Really]

Maybe we should divert some of that money into remedial English classes, huh?

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't have the slightest idea what the DHS does. You need to do some serious studying before anybody takes your nonsense seriously.

I know what it does. It sucks up tax dollars that could be used elsewhere. So I guess the shoe is on the other foot now. It's you who doesn't want those regulations touched.

 

[Spare_change]

It is interesting that you would be against lowering corporate taxes. One of the very basic things this thread highlights is that corporate taxes are the same thing as a consumption tax - something that liberals profess to be against because they are regressive.

The only real differences between a corporate tax and a consumption tax is that the corporate tax is hidden from the people (they do not see its true impact directly) and a corporate tax is rigged by our complex tax system to reward some companies over others. Mainly those that grease the right palms.

The tax rate on capital gains and dividends is 10%. My tax rate is around 35%. I don't want corporations paying less of a tax rate than I do.

How in the world do you survive with so much misinformation??

I've read 8 of your posts and this is the third time you have shown that you don't know what the hell you're talking about.

The capital gains tax rate is NOT 10%.

In fact, it is 15% (for all investments below a total of $415K) and 20% for all investments above that. There is ALSO a 0% capital gains tax for small investors - up to $37K.

You have continually embarrassed yourself by spreading false information.

The first rule ---- when you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

[Billo_Really]

Gim


Gimme, gimme, gimme ....

...good lovin'?

 

[Spare_change]

Maybe we should divert some of that money into remedial English classes, huh?

You have clearly demonstrated that you don't have the slightest idea what the DHS does. You need to do some serious studying before anybody takes your nonsense seriously.

I know what it does. It sucks up tax dollars that could be used elsewhere. So I guess the shoe is on the other foot now. It's you who doesn't want those regulations touched.

Once again, when pressed, you demonstrate that you don't know what the hell you're talking about. Just exactly what portions of DHS do you want eliminated??

Oh ... and please spare us the bald banalities ... answer the damn question.

 

[Billo_Really]

So why in the world would you want to pay 25% in taxes? Why would you ever want to be taxed at that level?

35% goes out of my paycheck. It's not right they get to pay less.

 

[Spare_change]

Gim


Gimme, gimme, gimme ....

...good lovin'?

Just another taker, huh?