How much was the Biden Quid Pro Quo?

[Muhammed]

..there was no open case and the Prosecutor removed was as corrupt as the day was long.

but you know this----don't you?

No. Former PG Shokin testified that there were several open cases on Burisma and he was pressured by Poroshenko to close those cases because of Joe Biden's threats. And unfortunately for Biden, he confessed that he made those threats while the camera was being live streamed from the CFR.

You and others here repeatedly make accusations that Shokin was corrupt, yet you never cite the law you think he violated and Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone been convicted of any crime.

Where is your evidence that Shokin "was as corrupt as the day was long"?

Ohhhh..he testified...that clears it all up...LOL! You don't suppose he might have had a smidgen of motive to, you know, lie--and to thank God that he has a ready-made narrative provided to him to attempt to grab onto and rehabilitate himself? Biden did not confess anything of the sort...he bragged about using the power of the US to remove a corrupt official..at the orders of the President and with the full knowledge of the state Dept..

Unfortunately for you and your ilk..no one with half a brain believes any of this shyte. That does still leave the Trump base, of course---but convincing the already convinced changes nothing.

Where is the evidence of Shokin being corrupt? You TDS afflicted morons NEVER cite any specific law you assume he violated let alone provide any evidence that Shokin has violated any law. All you do is make vague unsubstantiated claims that he is corrupt.

Contrast that to Biden's "solid guy" Lutsenko that he coerced Ukraine to install as Prosecutor General under threat of cutting off US aid. He didn't even have a fucking law degree fer crissakes. Not only didn't he have any credentials whatsoever, he was an ex-con who had recently got out of prison after serving time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister. The guy who has fled the Ukraine because he is facing more corruption charges!

If a guy who did prison time for corruption and never even went to law school was nominated to be the Attorney General by a US president and confirmed by Senate at the behest of a foreign diplomat who's son was getting paid $millions by a large gas company that was under criminal investigation, and then that AG closed the case, wouldn't you think there was some sort of shady shenanigans going on that was worth investigating? Or are you brain dead?

1) Shokin has never been charged with a crime.

2) Lutsenko served prison time for corruption and is now facing more corruption corruption charges.

Yet some people are stupid enough actually believe that the reason that Biden had Shokin ousted and replaced by Lutsenko was to "fight corruption".

THINK!

 

[colfax_m]

..there was no open case and the Prosecutor removed was as corrupt as the day was long.

but you know this----don't you?

No. Former PG Shokin testified that there were several open cases on Burisma and he was pressured by Poroshenko to close those cases because of Joe Biden's threats. And unfortunately for Biden, he confessed that he made those threats while the camera was being live streamed from the CFR.

You and others here repeatedly make accusations that Shokin was corrupt, yet you never cite the law you think he violated and Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone been convicted of any crime.

Where is your evidence that Shokin "was as corrupt as the day was long"?

Ohhhh..he testified...that clears it all up...LOL! You don't suppose he might have had a smidgen of motive to, you know, lie--and to thank God that he has a ready-made narrative provided to him to attempt to grab onto and rehabilitate himself? Biden did not confess anything of the sort...he bragged about using the power of the US to remove a corrupt official..at the orders of the President and with the full knowledge of the state Dept..

Unfortunately for you and your ilk..no one with half a brain believes any of this shyte. That does still leave the Trump base, of course---but convincing the already convinced changes nothing.

Where is the evidence of Shokin being corrupt? You TDS afflicted morons NEVER cite any specific law you assume he violated let alone provide any evidence that Shokin has violated any law. All you do is make vague unsubstantiated claims that he is corrupt.

Contrast that to Biden's "solid guy" Lutsenko that he coerced Ukraine to install as Prosecutor General under threat of cutting off US aid. He didn't even have a fucking law degree fer crissakes. Not only didn't he have any credentials whatsoever, he was an ex-con who had recently got out of prison after serving time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister. The guy who has fled the Ukraine because he is facing more corruption charges!

If a guy who did prison time for corruption and never even went to law school was nominated to be the Attorney General by a US president and confirmed by Senate at the behest of a foreign diplomat who's son was getting paid $millions by a large gas company that was under criminal investigation, and then that AG closed the case, wouldn't you think there was some sort of shady shenanigans going on that was worth investigating? Or are you brain dead?

1) Shokin has never been charged with a crime.

2) Lutsenko served prison time for corruption and is now facing more corruption corruption charges.

Yet some people are stupid enough actually believe that the reason that Biden had Shokin ousted and replaced by Lutsenko was to "fight corruption".

THINK!

Ukraine is pretty corrupt, right? One thing that happens in corrupt countries is that people who get in the way are brought up on phony charges. That appeared to have been the case for Lutsenko. As interior minister he was in charge of the police and did a pretty good job after Euromaiden so they were hopeful he would do a good job as PG.

It turned out that Lutsenko didn’t live up to what was hoped.

 

[BlindBoo]

None. There was no Biden shake down. Besides as the NYT reported in 2014 "The United States’ $1 billion in loan guarantees is dwarfed by the $18 billion in loans that the International Monetary Fund has provisionally agreed to provide and the $15 billion promised by the European Union."

They all wanted him gone.

 

[Muhammed]

None. There was no Biden shake down. Besides as the NYT reported in 2014 "The United States’ $1 billion in loan guarantees is dwarfed by the $18 billion in loans that the International Monetary Fund has provisionally agreed to provide and the $15 billion promised by the European Union."

That provision being that those loans were conditional on Ukraine first getting the US loan guarantees.

In other words, Ukraine would lose out on $33 billion in loans granted at US treasury credit ratings, unless they fire Shokin and install Lutsenko into the PGO.

So Biden was effectively holding back $33 billion rather than a mere $1 billion. And you conclude that somehow proves it was not a shakedown?

WTF?

 

[Muhammed]

the company he worked for was so that means he was too,,,

For actions that took place before Hunter was with the company.

And Hunter Biden was hired specifically to get rid of those pesky legal problems. And, son of a bitch, he did a great job. He must be a legal genius! Or something.

Here's the timeline.

April 14, 2014: Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew signs billion dollar loan guarantee package for Ukraine.
Treasury Secretary Lew Announces Signing Of $1 Billion U.S. Loan Guarantee Agreement For Ukraine

April 18, 2014: Facing criminal investigation, Mykola Zlovcheski appoints Hunter Biden to the board directors of Burisma Holdings to be in charge of Burisma's Holding's legal unit.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...a-Announces-Hunter-Biden-s-Appointment-to.pdf

November 2, 2015: Shokin survives assassination attempt via sniper attack. He is saved by the bullet resistant glass of his office window.

December 6, 2015: Joe Biden meets with Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

December 8, 2015: Joe Biden addresses Rada (Ukraine's unicameral parliament).

December 9, 2015: Joe Biden threatens President Poroshenko and Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, telling them that he would withhold the $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.

February 19, 2016: President Poroshenko's office falsely claims it has received Viktor Shokin's official resignation letter.

February 24, 2016: Email seeking reconsideration of Burisma's status as a corrupt corporation sent from Blue Star Strategies to the State Department name drops Hunter Biden.

March 29, 2016: Rada formally dismisses Shokin.

May 12, 2016: Biden approved "solid guy" Yuriy Lutsenko is scandalously appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine, ostensibly to fight corruption, despite the fact that Lutsenko had served prison time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister and had no legal credentials. No legal experience. Not even a law degree. Apparently his only qualification was that Joe Biden approved of him.

June 3, 2016: $1 billion loan guarantees that had been held up finally approved.

Do yo have a link for your cut and paste that verify the dates etc, or was this all written by you off of memory?

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

 

[Care4all]

For actions that took place before Hunter was with the company.

And Hunter Biden was hired specifically to get rid of those pesky legal problems. And, son of a bitch, he did a great job. He must be a legal genius! Or something.

Here's the timeline.

April 14, 2014: Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew signs billion dollar loan guarantee package for Ukraine.
Treasury Secretary Lew Announces Signing Of $1 Billion U.S. Loan Guarantee Agreement For Ukraine

April 18, 2014: Facing criminal investigation, Mykola Zlovcheski appoints Hunter Biden to the board directors of Burisma Holdings to be in charge of Burisma's Holding's legal unit.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...a-Announces-Hunter-Biden-s-Appointment-to.pdf

November 2, 2015: Shokin survives assassination attempt via sniper attack. He is saved by the bullet resistant glass of his office window.

December 6, 2015: Joe Biden meets with Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

December 8, 2015: Joe Biden addresses Rada (Ukraine's unicameral parliament).

December 9, 2015: Joe Biden threatens President Poroshenko and Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, telling them that he would withhold the $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.

February 19, 2016: President Poroshenko's office falsely claims it has received Viktor Shokin's official resignation letter.

February 24, 2016: Email seeking reconsideration of Burisma's status as a corrupt corporation sent from Blue Star Strategies to the State Department name drops Hunter Biden.

March 29, 2016: Rada formally dismisses Shokin.

May 12, 2016: Biden approved "solid guy" Yuriy Lutsenko is scandalously appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine, ostensibly to fight corruption, despite the fact that Lutsenko had served prison time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister and had no legal credentials. No legal experience. Not even a law degree. Apparently his only qualification was that Joe Biden approved of him.

June 3, 2016: $1 billion loan guarantees that had been held up finally approved.

Do yo have a link for your cut and paste that verify the dates etc, or was this all written by you off of memory?

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

let me see if I can find it, I read it was 2016 in several articles...

 

[Muhammed]

And Hunter Biden was hired specifically to get rid of those pesky legal problems. And, son of a bitch, he did a great job. He must be a legal genius! Or something.

Here's the timeline.

April 14, 2014: Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew signs billion dollar loan guarantee package for Ukraine.
Treasury Secretary Lew Announces Signing Of $1 Billion U.S. Loan Guarantee Agreement For Ukraine

April 18, 2014: Facing criminal investigation, Mykola Zlovcheski appoints Hunter Biden to the board directors of Burisma Holdings to be in charge of Burisma's Holding's legal unit.
https://assets.documentcloud.org/do...a-Announces-Hunter-Biden-s-Appointment-to.pdf

November 2, 2015: Shokin survives assassination attempt via sniper attack. He is saved by the bullet resistant glass of his office window.

December 6, 2015: Joe Biden meets with Ukrainian president Poroshenko.

December 8, 2015: Joe Biden addresses Rada (Ukraine's unicameral parliament).

December 9, 2015: Joe Biden threatens President Poroshenko and Prime Minister Yatsenyuk, telling them that he would withhold the $1 billion in loan guarantees unless Shokin was fired.

February 19, 2016: President Poroshenko's office falsely claims it has received Viktor Shokin's official resignation letter.

February 24, 2016: Email seeking reconsideration of Burisma's status as a corrupt corporation sent from Blue Star Strategies to the State Department name drops Hunter Biden.

March 29, 2016: Rada formally dismisses Shokin.

May 12, 2016: Biden approved "solid guy" Yuriy Lutsenko is scandalously appointed Prosecutor General of Ukraine, ostensibly to fight corruption, despite the fact that Lutsenko had served prison time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister and had no legal credentials. No legal experience. Not even a law degree. Apparently his only qualification was that Joe Biden approved of him.

June 3, 2016: $1 billion loan guarantees that had been held up finally approved.

Do yo have a link for your cut and paste that verify the dates etc, or was this all written by you off of memory?

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

let me see if I can find it, I read it was 2016 in several articles...

Articles from the usual fake news suspects?

 

[BlindBoo]

None. There was no Biden shake down. Besides as the NYT reported in 2014 "The United States’ $1 billion in loan guarantees is dwarfed by the $18 billion in loans that the International Monetary Fund has provisionally agreed to provide and the $15 billion promised by the European Union."

That provision being that those loans were conditional on Ukraine first getting the US loan guarantees.

In other words, Ukraine would lose out on $33 billion in loans granted at US treasury credit ratings, unless they fire Shokin and install Lutsenko into the PGO.

So Biden was effectively holding back $33 billion rather than a mere $1 billion. And you conclude that somehow proves it was not a shakedown?

WTF?

I didn't say it wasn't a shakedown. Our foreign policy is mostly based on that type of coercion, but is has been done necessarily in a bipartisan way. Not only did Obama's policy have bipartisan support here at home, but also support from the the EU and the IMF.

 

[Muhammed]

None. There was no Biden shake down.

I didn't say it wasn't a shakedown.

Yes you did.

 

[Rambunctious]

Considering Biden's son was never under investigation by the Ukrainians...

He is today....

 

[BlindBoo]

None. There was no Biden shake down.

I didn't say it wasn't a shakedown.

That is a textbook example of cognitive dissonance.

I've noticed that cognitive dissonance is very common among the TDS afflicted.

Dumb dodge. Lets see what you didn't quote :

"Our foreign policy is mostly based on that type of coercion, but is has been done necessarily in a bipartisan way. Not only did Obama's policy have bipartisan support here at home, but also support from the the EU and the IMF.

 

[basquebromance]

"Mr. Sondland, let's be clear: no one on this planet—not Donald Trump, Rudy Guiliani, Mick Mulvaney, Mike Pompeo—no one told you aid was tied to political investigations, is that correct."

Sassy Gordon Sondland: "That's correct."

Game over.

 

[Care4all]

Do yo have a link for your cut and paste that verify the dates etc, or was this all written by you off of memory?

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

let me see if I can find it, I read it was 2016 in several articles...

Articles from the usual fake news suspects?

Actually, I spent an hour or two searching for a reliable source stating such, and could not find one, supporting March

SOOOOOOOOOOOO

I now willfully accept the fact that I WAS WRONG, and need to eat some crow, for my mistake and being an ass, earlier!!

 

[Care4all]

Do yo have a link for your cut and paste that verify the dates etc, or was this all written by you off of memory?

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

let me see if I can find it, I read it was 2016 in several articles...

Articles from the usual fake news suspects?

FYI
The fake news source that I had gotten it from that said it was in March 2016, was a John Solomon opinion piece in the Hill...

who later was found out to be Rudy's source of propaganda disbursement for the investigation he was running with the 2 Ukrainian American goons and Firtash, Victoria T's and Joe Di Genova's Ukrainian Oligarch client, with Russian mafia ties that the USA DOJ is trying to extradite here.


April 1 — In one of several pieces on Ukraine, The Hill‘s conservative opinion columnist John Solomon writes that Joe Biden, as vice president, pressured Ukraine to fire its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016 at a time when Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma, a private Ukrainian gas company, and its board members, including Hunter Biden. Solomon writes that Ukraine had “reopened” its investigation of Burisma after Biden had bragged about forcing Shokin out of office. (There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by either Biden or his son, or that Hunter Biden was ever under investigation. See “Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine.”)

The Whistleblower Complaint Timeline

 

[Muhammed]

I've verified it all.

It's a pretty fucking suspicious timeline of events that certainly invokes reasonable suspicion of corruption.

Is there any reason not to investigate?

No you didn't.

It was early March 2016 when Joe made his threat...NOT in 2015.

I was putting together a timeline and I've noticed that March 2016 narrative, but have not yet been able to verify it.

Could you provide any sort of substantiation (official press release, contemporaneous media report, etc..) that Joe Biden had any contact whatsoever with president Poroshenko and/or prime minister Yatsenyuk in March of 2016 to help verify that?

let me see if I can find it, I read it was 2016 in several articles...

Articles from the usual fake news suspects?

FYI
The fake news source that I had gotten it from that said it was in March 2016, was a John Solomon opinion piece in the Hill...

who later was found out to be Rudy's source of propaganda disbursement for the investigation he was running with the 2 Ukrainian American goons and Firtash, Victoria T's and Joe Di Genova's Ukrainian Oligarch client, with Russian mafia ties that the USA DOJ is trying to extradite here.


April 1 — In one of several pieces on Ukraine, The Hill‘s conservative opinion columnist John Solomon writes that Joe Biden, as vice president, pressured Ukraine to fire its prosecutor general, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016 at a time when Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma, a private Ukrainian gas company, and its board members, including Hunter Biden. Solomon writes that Ukraine had “reopened” its investigation of Burisma after Biden had bragged about forcing Shokin out of office. (There is no evidence of any wrongdoing by either Biden or his son, or that Hunter Biden was ever under investigation. See “Trump Twists Facts on Biden and Ukraine.”)

The Whistleblower Complaint Timeline

Foreign Affairs Issue Launch with Former Vice President Joe Biden
"And I remember going over, convincing our team, our leaders to—convincing that we should be providing for loan guarantees. And I went over, I guess, the 12th, 13th time to Kiev. And I was supposed to announce that there was another billion-dollar loan guarantee. And I had gotten a commitment from Poroshenko and from Yatsenyuk that they would take action against the state prosecutor. And they didn’t.
So they said they had—they were walking out to a press conference. I said, nah, I’m not going to—or, we’re not going to give you the billion dollars. They said, you have no authority. You’re not the president. The president said—I said, call him. (Laughter.) I said, I’m telling you, you’re not getting the billion dollars. I said, you’re not getting the billion. I’m going to be leaving here in, I think it was about six hours. I looked at them and said: I’m leaving in six hours. If the prosecutor is not fired, you’re not getting the money. Well, son of a bitch. (Laughter.) He got fired. And they put in place someone who was solid at the time."

So Joe Biden said he made that threat to withhold the billion dollar loan guarantee while he was in Kiev.

I was searching the white house press release archives and have confirmed that Joe Biden did in fact meet with Poroshenko on March 31, 2016 and was still withholding the billion dollars. However, that meeting was in DC, not Kiev.

"The Vice President welcomed the efforts of President Poroshenko to form a stable, reform-oriented government, and stressed that this step, as well as the enactment of needed reforms, are critical to unlocking international economic assistance, including the third $1 billion U.S. loan guarantee."

Readout of Vice President Biden’s Meeting with President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine

However, the quid pro quo for the loan guarantee was not just that they fire PG Shokin because Shokin was dismissed on March 29, 2016, two days before that meeting.

The timeline suggests that the firing of Shokin wasn't the only quid pro quo Biden wanted for the $1 billion loan guarantee. He also wanted Lutsenko to be the Prosecutor General.

Lutsenko was appointed PG on May 12, 2016 and the very next day Joe Biden called Poroshenko.

"The Vice President informed President Poroshenko that the United States was prepared to move forward with the signing of the third $1 billion loan guarantee agreement"
Readout of Vice President Biden’s Call with President Petro Poroshenko of Ukraine

So there you have it, Biden held up the money until he got his corrupt "solid" guy in the PGO.

Trump is right. It's horrible.

 

[Muhammed]

Let's ignore the fact that all parties including the EU, the countries within the EU, IMF, ant-corruption activists in Ukraine and the United States all wanted that Ukrainian prosecutor fired due to his unwillingness to actually prosecute corruption.

Also, let us not forget that it was ONLY Joe Biden who offered the quid pro quo of $1billion dollars. Regardless of the motivation of Bursima in hiring Hunter (we all know it was going to be a pay to play scheme), the fact of the matter is that Biden is the one who threatened to withhold aid, not other parties in the EU, not the IMF.

Biden according to him made that statement, nobody said there was no backing from the U.S. government. Let's also be clear, we were advocating for anti corruption advocates within the Ukraine who wanted this guy gone as well.

Now we're actually twisting the arm of a guy who ran on anti-corruption.

That is incorrect. Biden has actually admitted what he did. Take it as a confession if will. Biden said there was no backing from the US government. I was implicit in his threat that he was leaving inside of six hours and if he did not get what he wanted, the money was gone.

Uh, what exactly are you disagreeing with me on?

That what Biden did is anything close to what Trump did. In every one of these conversations, the implication is that Trump abuse his power for personal gain, i.e., he wanted dirt on a political opponent. That is clearly projected speculation because none of that can be inferred from the conversation.

However, Joe Biden actually stood to gain by his actions, or more accurately, his family stood to gain.

If a person takes a close look at the corruption laws surrounding elected officials, the language is always very clear. No elected politician can directly benefit from lobbyists. However, their children and extended family members are carefully insulated from that law, even though that too constitutes corruption.

Regardless of the fact that other EU players also wanted this prosecutor fired (why they wanted the prosecutor fired would be an interesting investigation in and of itself) the fact remains that none of them had any personal gain to be made from the removal of this prosecutor. The Bidens did have something to gain from it and Biden used the power and authority of the Executive Branch to enforce his desire.

The entire investigation and impeachment are illegitimate in that the wrong parties are being investigated.

"Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych has pardoned jailed former Interior Minister Yuriy Lutsenko, a close ally of imprisoned former Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko.

In an announcement on his presidential website, Yanukovych said he had signed a decree granting the pardon following appeals by Ukrainian and European Union officials, including former Polish President Alexander Kwasniewski and the former president of the European Parliament, Pat Cox."

Yanukovych Pardons Tymoshenko Ally Lutsenko, Five Others

Take a wild guess at what gas company Kwasniewski was on the board of directors of.

 

[Lesh]

What was the actual amount of US aid meant for Ukraine that Biden withheld until his son Hunter was cleared of charges and the prosecutor fired? Was the full amount of aid released once Biden's corrupt personal demands were satisfied by the American taxpayers?

False narrative (lie). There were never any charges for Hunter to be cleared OF

 

[EvMetro]

That's because Joe biden had the prosecutor fired.

 

[Muhammed]

..there was no open case and the Prosecutor removed was as corrupt as the day was long.

but you know this----don't you?

No. Former PG Shokin testified that there were several open cases on Burisma and he was pressured by Poroshenko to close those cases because of Joe Biden's threats. And unfortunately for Biden, he confessed that he made those threats while the camera was being live streamed from the CFR.

You and others here repeatedly make accusations that Shokin was corrupt, yet you never cite the law you think he violated and Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone been convicted of any crime.

Where is your evidence that Shokin "was as corrupt as the day was long"?

Ohhhh..he testified...that clears it all up...LOL! You don't suppose he might have had a smidgen of motive to, you know, lie--and to thank God that he has a ready-made narrative provided to him to attempt to grab onto and rehabilitate himself? Biden did not confess anything of the sort...he bragged about using the power of the US to remove a corrupt official..at the orders of the President and with the full knowledge of the state Dept..

Unfortunately for you and your ilk..no one with half a brain believes any of this shyte. That does still leave the Trump base, of course---but convincing the already convinced changes nothing.

Where is the evidence of Shokin being corrupt? You TDS afflicted morons NEVER cite any specific law you assume he violated let alone provide any evidence that Shokin has violated any law. All you do is make vague unsubstantiated claims that he is corrupt.

Contrast that to Biden's "solid guy" Lutsenko that he coerced Ukraine to install as Prosecutor General under threat of cutting off US aid. He didn't even have a fucking law degree fer crissakes. Not only didn't he have any credentials whatsoever, he was an ex-con who had recently got out of prison after serving time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister. The guy who has fled the Ukraine because he is facing more corruption charges!

If a guy who did prison time for corruption and never even went to law school was nominated to be the Attorney General by a US president and confirmed by Senate at the behest of a foreign diplomat who's son was getting paid $millions by a large gas company that was under criminal investigation, and then that AG closed the case, wouldn't you think there was some sort of shady shenanigans going on that was worth investigating? Or are you brain dead?

1) Shokin has never been charged with a crime.

2) Lutsenko served prison time for corruption and is now facing more corruption corruption charges.

Yet some people are stupid enough actually believe that the reason that Biden had Shokin ousted and replaced by Lutsenko was to "fight corruption".

THINK!

Ukraine is pretty corrupt, right? One thing that happens in corrupt countries is that people who get in the way are brought up on phony charges. That appeared to have been the case for Lutsenko. As interior minister he was in charge of the police and did a pretty good job after Euromaiden so they were hopeful he would do a good job as PG.

It turned out that Lutsenko didn’t live up to what was hoped.

Do you have any evidence that Lutsenko was brought up on false charges? And besides, that still wouldn't explain why someone who never even went to law school would be considered a "solid" choice to be the Prosecutor General.

On April 7, 2013 Lutsenko was pardoned as a part of Ukraine's ongoing decriminalization and rehabilitation effort towards reconciliation, not because the charges were false.

In an announcement on his presidential website, Yanukovych said he had signed a decree granting the pardon following appeals by Ukrainian and European Union officials, including former Polish President Alexander Kwasniewski and the former president of the European Parliament, Pat Cox.

Yanukovych Pardons Tymoshenko Ally Lutsenko, Five Others

Of special note is that Alexander Kwasniewski, who had close ties with the Director of the IMF's European Department, pressured Ukraine to pardon Lutsenko and 9 months later Alexander Kwasniewski was appointed to the Burisma board of directors. And 3 months later Devon Archer and Hunter Biden were also appointed to the Burisma board of directors.

Coincidence?

Then Joe Biden proceeded to withhold the $1 billion US loan guarantees and consequently the IMF loans to Ukraine until they installed Lutsenko into the PGO and agreed to raise energy prices and freeze the minimum wage.

Are you really so naive that you believe it's just a freak coincidence that all 3 of Quid Pro Joe's conditions to get the billion dollar loan guarantee were financially beneficial to Burisma?

 

[colfax_m]

..there was no open case and the Prosecutor removed was as corrupt as the day was long.

but you know this----don't you?

No. Former PG Shokin testified that there were several open cases on Burisma and he was pressured by Poroshenko to close those cases because of Joe Biden's threats. And unfortunately for Biden, he confessed that he made those threats while the camera was being live streamed from the CFR.

You and others here repeatedly make accusations that Shokin was corrupt, yet you never cite the law you think he violated and Shokin has never even been charged with a crime, let alone been convicted of any crime.

Where is your evidence that Shokin "was as corrupt as the day was long"?

Ohhhh..he testified...that clears it all up...LOL! You don't suppose he might have had a smidgen of motive to, you know, lie--and to thank God that he has a ready-made narrative provided to him to attempt to grab onto and rehabilitate himself? Biden did not confess anything of the sort...he bragged about using the power of the US to remove a corrupt official..at the orders of the President and with the full knowledge of the state Dept..

Unfortunately for you and your ilk..no one with half a brain believes any of this shyte. That does still leave the Trump base, of course---but convincing the already convinced changes nothing.

Where is the evidence of Shokin being corrupt? You TDS afflicted morons NEVER cite any specific law you assume he violated let alone provide any evidence that Shokin has violated any law. All you do is make vague unsubstantiated claims that he is corrupt.

Contrast that to Biden's "solid guy" Lutsenko that he coerced Ukraine to install as Prosecutor General under threat of cutting off US aid. He didn't even have a fucking law degree fer crissakes. Not only didn't he have any credentials whatsoever, he was an ex-con who had recently got out of prison after serving time for embezzlement and abuse of office while he was the Interior Minister. The guy who has fled the Ukraine because he is facing more corruption charges!

If a guy who did prison time for corruption and never even went to law school was nominated to be the Attorney General by a US president and confirmed by Senate at the behest of a foreign diplomat who's son was getting paid $millions by a large gas company that was under criminal investigation, and then that AG closed the case, wouldn't you think there was some sort of shady shenanigans going on that was worth investigating? Or are you brain dead?

1) Shokin has never been charged with a crime.

2) Lutsenko served prison time for corruption and is now facing more corruption corruption charges.

Yet some people are stupid enough actually believe that the reason that Biden had Shokin ousted and replaced by Lutsenko was to "fight corruption".

THINK!

Ukraine is pretty corrupt, right? One thing that happens in corrupt countries is that people who get in the way are brought up on phony charges. That appeared to have been the case for Lutsenko. As interior minister he was in charge of the police and did a pretty good job after Euromaiden so they were hopeful he would do a good job as PG.

It turned out that Lutsenko didn’t live up to what was hoped.

Do you have any evidence that Lutsenko was brought up on false charges? And besides, that still wouldn't explain why someone with never even went to law school was scandalously appointed Prosecutor General.

On April 7, 2013 Lutsenko was pardoned as a part of Ukraine's ongoing decriminalization and rehabilitation effort towards reconciliation, not because the charges were false.

In an announcement on his presidential website, Yanukovych said he had signed a decree granting the pardon following appeals by Ukrainian and European Union officials, including former Polish President Alexander Kwasniewski and the former president of the European Parliament, Pat Cox.

Yanukovych Pardons Tymoshenko Ally Lutsenko, Five Others

Of special note is that Alexander Kwasniewski, who had close ties with the Director of the IMF's European Department, pressured Ukraine to pardon Lutsenko and 9 months later Alexander Kwasniewski was appointed to the Burisma board of directors. And 3 months later Devon Archer and Hunter Biden were also appointed to the Burisma board of directors.

Coincidence?

Then Joe Biden proceeded to withhold the $1 billion US loan guarantees and consequently the IMF loans to Ukraine until they installed Lutsenko into the PGO and agreed to raise energy prices and freeze the minimum wage.

Are you really so naive that you believe it's just a freak coincidence that all 3 of Quid Pro Joe's conditions to get the billion dollar guarantee were financially beneficial to Burisma?

Lutsenko’s prosecution in 2010 was kind of a farce. One of his charges was that he used government funds to have a party for the police on a holiday that honors the police. Lock him up.

Further, the trial was far from a fair one. Here’s a lengthy court document laying out the details.

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Do you have evidence of “all three of Joe’s conditions”? Do you have evidence they demanded Lutsenko be appointed?