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Why don't you give us a realistic solution to this problem. Remember I said realistic, so you can't use the word Church or charity in your response.
or government. Now you go...
Government system is already in place. So I don't need to suggest anything. Aside from ways to make it more efficient, I wouldn't be looking to abolish what we have altogether. So like I said, you tell us how we do it better by starting over completely. Unless that's not what you are advocating.
Most Republicans seem to think that raising taxes should never occur. AND they are constantly trying to cut them.
That means the welfare state takes a BIG hit, comrade.Taxes should be raised enough to pay for all the government we're getting, when we're getting it.
If you don't like that idea, then cut spending, BUT,
you cut everybody's spending, not just the 'other' guys'. That means defense takes a BIG hit, warmongers.
that means the welfare state takes a big hit, comrade.taxes should be raised enough to pay for all the government we're getting, when we're getting it.
If you don't like that idea, then cut spending, but,
you cut everybody's spending, not just the 'other' guys'. That means defense takes a big hit, warmongers.
Anyone who's balanced a household budget knows you have revenue and expenditures.
You can't afford steak if you don't go to work for 4 out of 5 days this week.
Yet we have been buying steak in spite of the fact that we don't have enough revenue coming in, because we've willfully LOWERED our revenues. .
A social worker came to this ladys house to help her with all the things that need done after a spouse dies. Would it be better for my tenant if there were no funds to pay for a social worker to help her?
If you think it would be better for all for social services to be cut severly, why do you think that?
Why is the only solution you can think of government? What about putting your cold, stingy fingers in your own wallet instead of sending someone to put theirs in mine?
Why don't you give us a realistic solution to this problem. Remember I said realistic, so you can't use the word Church or charity in your response.
Most Republicans seem to think that raising taxes should never occur. AND they are constantly trying to cut them.
Not true. While President Obama has cut taxes on both individuals and small businesses (17 times!!!), pubs don't seem to do anything but raise them. Ignoring Norquist's lies for a moment, we've all heard the Clown Car Candidates tell us they plan to raise taxes on the very poor and the working class while lowering them on those who make $1MILLION DOLLARS or more.
Look back at other pubs. The only one who didn't raise taxes was the little Shrub and that was only because the dolt couldn't count. Instead, he spent like a drunk sailor and made no effort to pay for his spending. His daddy and other pubs, including the hero of of the right, Crazy Reagan, raised taxes on the working class and poor but not on their cronies. (See fascism thread elsewhere.)
The oldest trick in the book and the one the pubs are the best at is accusing their enemies of what they do. FACT: Republicans are the ultimate tax and spend plutocrats.
Most Republicans seem to think that raising taxes should never occur. AND they are constantly trying to cut them.
Not true. While President Obama has cut taxes on both individuals and small businesses (17 times!!!), pubs don't seem to do anything but raise them. Ignoring Norquist's lies for a moment, we've all heard the Clown Car Candidates tell us they plan to raise taxes on the very poor and the working class while lowering them on those who make $1MILLION DOLLARS or more.
Look back at other pubs. The only one who didn't raise taxes was the little Shrub and that was only because the dolt couldn't count. Instead, he spent like a drunk sailor and made no effort to pay for his spending. His daddy and other pubs, including the hero of of the right, Crazy Reagan, raised taxes on the working class and poor but not on their cronies. (See fascism thread elsewhere.)
The oldest trick in the book and the one the pubs are the best at is accusing their enemies of what they do. FACT: Republicans are the ultimate tax and spend plutocrats.
No he hasn't. You're talking about tax credits and other assorted magic tricks.
or government. Now you go...
Government system is already in place. So I don't need to suggest anything. Aside from ways to make it more efficient, I wouldn't be looking to abolish what we have altogether. So like I said, you tell us how we do it better by starting over completely. Unless that's not what you are advocating.
You said no unrealistic solutions. Government blows at providing assistance. They waste money, foster dependence, spend money on the wrong things and train people not to be generous on their own. That you have your head in the sand and you're not going to pull it out doesn't make you ignoring that reasonable.
Interesting.I described the degree, I didn't give you a specific figure off the top of my head. I don't know what each and every one of those things I listed costs, sorry. But like I said, I'd like to start the conversation with those and see where that gets us.
How can you argue 'bloated defense spending' when you admit you do not have even a basic knoweldge of what is spent, where, and why?
I didn't say I don't have a basic understanding, you did. I have seen the figures and I know that military spending is a decent chunk of our expenses (about 15% of the total I believe). I said I don't know how those military expenses break down item by item.
Question: Are you trying to have a civil conversation with me or act like an asshole and try and show me up? Let me know now, so I don't waste anymore of my time.
So, what should our top tax rates be?
....in 1993....
....end of 2012!!!!
Americans are on a budget, why isn't our government?
.....budgeting for TWO WARS!!!!
Quote: Originally Posted by zeke
A social worker came to this ladys house to help her with all the things that need done after a spouse dies. Would it be better for my tenant if there were no funds to pay for a social worker to help her?
If you think it would be better for all for social services to be cut severly, why do you think that?
Why is the only solution you can think of government? What about putting your cold, stingy fingers in your own wallet instead of sending someone to put theirs in mine?
1: You have no issue whatsoever with imposing your version of morality on othersI really don't understand where you're going with this. Why don't you cut to the chase..You can refuse to admit that your version of morality is -your- version of morality, but that it is remains a fact.I'll pretend like helping the less fortunate isn't something that America is about for a second just to humor your question.....
You aren't answering the question.When exactly was I complaining about the government imposing anything on me?
I asked you what standing you have to complain should others impose their differing morality on you, as you seek to do to them. This question does not requre an instance of it actually happening to be valid.
Well?
What ought the tax rate be? Most Republicans seem to think that raising taxes should never occur. AND they are constantly trying to cut them.
Anyone who's balanced a household budget knows you have revenue and expenditures.
You can't afford steak if you don't go to work for 4 out of 5 days this week.
Yet we have been buying steak in spite of the fact that we don't have enough revenue coming in, because we've willfully LOWERED our revenues. Classic Ant and Grasshopper.
Idleness today at the expense of security tomorrow.
So, what should our top tax rates be?
One can see that working class people pay a higher tax rate than the rich.
And the the middle class has been expected to pick up the slack from corporations buying politicians lowering the the effective corporate tax rate though numerous loopholes and dodges.
That leaves the rich, who saw their tax rate drop by over HALF over the last 30 years or so. What benefits have we realized from all the economic activity that came from "letting people keep their own money"? Jobs? Higher wages for workers?
I would submit that we have passed the line on the Laffer curve that optimizes income by cutting taxes. Now, decreased tax revenues are actually HURTING us, as we cannot pay down our debt because we CHOOSE to not raise taxes.
The same goes for "limited" government. At what point do you "limit" government so much that it becomes impotent and ineffectual? What is the delineation ?
Until and unless we stake out some intellectual boundaries on the tax issue, we'll forever be caught in the fallacy that "If a little of something is good for you, then a LOT must be GREAT!"
Everyone knows that isn't true. Except for Republicans on taxes and limiting government.
And it makes us look like fools or uncompromising jerks.
Further evidence that liberals ignore whatever part of the Constitution that happens to be in their way at that particular moment.Wait...Are you seriously making a sweeping generalization about America based upon what you read on a freaking political message board?
Perhaps you need to hang out with a different crowd... You know, people who are already donating their time and money to worthy charitable causes - and not because daddy gubmint tells thenm they have to... You might meet some Christians, so try not to call them all assholes...
Isn't there something in the Constitution that prevents the government from forcing others to participate in the Christian virtue of charity?
I think it's in their handbook, but with all the shake-up that's going on at Huffington Post lately nobody is keeping it current...
