How much is a fair share?

[Contumacious]

> How much is a fair share?.

The "fair share" is a fascist parasitic scam designed to soak the producers.

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The takers(corporations) are soking the producers(workers) and have been since Reaganomics.

You don't want to work for a living? Then resign. No one forces you to work for anyone.

The fascist state on the other hand will send goons to the producers premises to steal loot and plunder.

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[Truthseeker420]

Sure, anyone is capable of an ad hominem attack but the way you refuted the idea of redistributing grades like we do wealth...why that was just brilliant. You were President of your high school debating team, weren't you?

Not a Fox News viewer by the way, but don't let that stop you.

you mean homerism like right wing talking points of a ridiculous anology equating GPA's and 12 room houses with taxes?

 

[eflatminor]

Sure, anyone is capable of an ad hominem attack but the way you refuted the idea of redistributing grades like we do wealth...why that was just brilliant. You were President of your high school debating team, weren't you?

Not a Fox News viewer by the way, but don't let that stop you.

you mean homerism like right wing talking points of a ridiculous anology equating GPA's and 12 room houses with taxes?

Another brilliant retort! It's true you know if you just call your opponent "ridiculous", you win! Better yet, call him a racist. That always works. Whatever you do, don't retort with logic and reason or anything having to do with the point at hand. Deflection is best.

 

[kwc57]

Sure, anyone is capable of an ad hominem attack but the way you refuted the idea of redistributing grades like we do wealth...why that was just brilliant. You were President of your high school debating team, weren't you?

Not a Fox News viewer by the way, but don't let that stop you.

you mean homerism like right wing talking points of a ridiculous anology equating GPA's and 12 room houses with taxes?

Tell us how taxes are any different? If the government can take the money you earned to give to someone else in the name of fairness, why not your grades or rooms of your house? It's a serious question. Your home is just as much a part of your wealth as your pay check. Why isn't the government entitled to redistribute it like your income?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I don't know what a fair share is, but it's not zero. Neither the rich nor the poor should pay zero taxes and both do now.

The rich pays no taxes? Prove it!

 

[Jarhead]

Sure, anyone is capable of an ad hominem attack but the way you refuted the idea of redistributing grades like we do wealth...why that was just brilliant. You were President of your high school debating team, weren't you?

Not a Fox News viewer by the way, but don't let that stop you.

you mean homerism like right wing talking points of a ridiculous anology equating GPA's and 12 room houses with taxes?

Funny...

I posted this (below) and you did not comment on it.
Please tell me how it is a talking point and not a very good analogy.

Read it and offer me your thoughts.

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Student X has a 4.0 His parents paid for school, he has joined no clubs; no extra curricular activities....he dedicates all of his time to his schoolwork...extra help sessions and study groups.....and after 120 credits he has a 4.0

Student Y has a 2.8. He is putting himself through school by working 30 hours a week. He attends all of his classes and goes to as manyt study groups as he can.....but becuase he is forced to work to pay for school, food and rent, he can not attend ALL of the study groups and extra help sessions and his grades reflect it.

Should the school redistribute the GPA's?

Afterall, the both work hard and dedicate as much time as possible to their studies...but one is more "disadvantaged" than the other.

And if you notice...the students surveyed kept on saying "it is different with money" but no one would say how it is different.

 

[DiamondDave]

The dimwits have no definition of "fair share"

It's just another bit of political theater meant to rile up the sheep for a few minutes.

'Fairness' is subjective... usually where people call things fair when that definition gives them an advantage over another...

I prefer the term equal treatment over the term fair...

 

[Ame®icano]

"Fair" would be everyone paying a fixed percentage of their income.
But that's too obvious.
We have "progressive" taxation for the same reason we have "progressive" politiicians.
It is way too tempting for pols to use the tax code to punish and reward others. And that's what's happened.

a flat tax would destroy the socialist income redistribution dreams of the left !! if republicans could implement a flax tax into law the left would be destroyed !!

So would low income earners. A true flat is the most unfair tax of all. The percentage is the same for everyone the burden certainly is not. A 10% flat on someone making only $10,000 would be devastating. For some one making a 100,000 it would be a burden. For someone making 10 million a year it would an inconvenience.

Many don't want to go over their bracket knowing government will tax them more. Once you realize government will tax you same percentage regardless of income, there is no reason to have brackets anymore.

Here is example. My friend's company hired dozen of people thru the job service for $10 an hour. Service was charging $2, so they were effectively working for $8 an hour. After two months company offered to hire them directly, for $10 and half of them rejected the job, because - if they make more money they would lose gov't assistance.

That's that kind of mentality. They probably started working because they were in danger of losing assistance.

Anyways, why flat tax is unfair?

 

[DiamondDave]

Fair share means "what % of income", NOT "what % of total taxes". You're offering us a red-herring. Quit comparing apples and oranges.

Here are the IRS tax brackets for 2011. As much I can see, top tax bracket is much higher then bottom one. Red-herring?

Yes, because you're not counting the loopholes that the Reps don't want to close.

Since WHEN??

You have numerous conservatives and republicans calling for an equalized tax rate for every dollar earned by every citizen AND closing all loopholes..

And YOU spew off about other people listening to 'propaganda'?? fucking laughable

 

[Dr.House]

The "fair share" is a fascist parasitic scam designed to soak the producers.

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The takers(corporations) are soking the producers(workers) and have been since Reaganomics.

No one is seriously this stoopid are they? Without said "taker", would the producer have a job? No. Ever hear of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Why do all of you socialists want to bite the hand that feeds you?

To the socialists, it's OK to tax the shit out of corporations... It's OK if they fail, because Daddy Gubmint will step in and provide the service... Daddy Gubmint will run the retail stores, develop and distribute the drugs, build the automobiles, fly the jets, run the banks, provide the healthcare... Zero competition will allow Daddy Gubmint to set the prices...

Can't wait for my grey jumpsuit, hoo boy...

 

[The Rabbi]

I asked this question on another thread but here we go again.

Obama keep talking about rich not paying their "fair share" but I never heard what that "fair share" really is. There is an argument on both sides, but I would like hear your opinion, how much exactly is the "fair share" rich and/or others should pay? Give me exact number.

Give me what you think would be a fair percentage (of all US wealth) for the top 1% of this nation to own?

Is there any limit to the percentage of all existing wealth that you think would be fair?

Give me an exact number.

All of it, as long as they've earned it. Why should there be any limit at all??

 

[Wiseacre]

The top 1% pay more taxes than the bottom 95%. How fair is that?

 

[The Rabbi]

I don't know what a fair share is, but it's not zero. Neither the rich nor the poor should pay zero taxes and both do now.

Please point to a case in which a person making enough income in a given year to be considered rich pays no income tax.

Anyone who draws all their income from municipal bonds can escape all federal and state income tax. This is just starters. There are so many loopholes in the tax laws, it's amazing the government collects as much taxes as it does.

With all the deductions, exemptions and credits 69% of the filers with less than 50,000 in income pay nothing.

How many people does that include? Cite sources.

 

[DiamondDave]

I asked this question on another thread but here we go again.

Obama keep talking about rich not paying their "fair share" but I never heard what that "fair share" really is. There is an argument on both sides, but I would like hear your opinion, how much exactly is the "fair share" rich and/or others should pay? Give me exact number.

Give me what you think would be a fair percentage (of all US wealth) for the top 1% of this nation to own?

Is there any limit to the percentage of all existing wealth that you think would be fair?

Give me an exact number.

All of it, as long as they've earned it. Why should there be any limit at all??

Precisely... that comes with the concept of freedom... the freedom to succeed that goes hand in hand with the freedom to fail...

This is not some goddamn commune

 

[The Rabbi]

"Fair" would be everyone paying a fixed percentage of their income.
But that's too obvious.
We have "progressive" taxation for the same reason we have "progressive" politiicians.
It is way too tempting for pols to use the tax code to punish and reward others. And that's what's happened.

a flat tax would destroy the socialist income redistribution dreams of the left !! if republicans could implement a flax tax into law the left would be destroyed !!

So would low income earners. A true flat is the most unfair tax of all. The percentage is the same for everyone the burden certainly is not. A 10% flat on someone making only $10,000 would be devastating. For some one making a 100,000 it would be a burden. For someone making 10 million a year it would an inconvenience.

Nonsense. There is no way to judge what is a burden and what isn't. A million dollar tax payment sounds like a burden to me any way you slice it. A thousand dollar payment doesn't. It would all depend on his budget.

 

[kwc57]

The takers(corporations) are soking the producers(workers) and have been since Reaganomics.

No one is seriously this stoopid are they? Without said "taker", would the producer have a job? No. Ever hear of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Why do all of you socialists want to bite the hand that feeds you?

To the socialists, it's OK to tax the shit out of corporations... It's OK if they fail, because Daddy Gubmint will step in and provide the service... Daddy Gubmint will run the retail stores, develop and distribute the drugs, build the automobiles, fly the jets, run the banks, provide the healthcare... Zero competition will allow Daddy Gubmint to set the prices...

Can't wait for my grey jumpsuit, hoo boy...

ohhhhhhhhh.........kind of like North Korea!!! I get it now.

 

[The Rabbi]

The takers(corporations) are soking the producers(workers) and have been since Reaganomics.

No one is seriously this stoopid are they? Without said "taker", would the producer have a job? No. Ever hear of killing the goose that lays the golden egg. Why do all of you socialists want to bite the hand that feeds you?

To the socialists, it's OK to tax the shit out of corporations... It's OK if they fail, because Daddy Gubmint will step in and provide the service... Daddy Gubmint will run the retail stores, develop and distribute the drugs, build the automobiles, fly the jets, run the banks, provide the healthcare... Zero competition will allow Daddy Gubmint to set the prices...

Can't wait for my grey jumpsuit, hoo boy...

"If it moves, tax it. If it still moves, regulate it. If it stops moving, subsidize it." _Reagan

 

[Ame®icano]

In the OP I asked how much is a fair share?

Later I asked how one, by looking at the tax brackets, knows that what we have now is not fair?

I'm noticing that hardly anyone on the left dare to talk about this. If this is key to his recovery plan, how come they don't talk about it?

Obama said tax the rich, whole left screams to tax the rich. Obama said rich must pay their fair share, left repeats like an echo - fair share.

OK, what is a fair share? Noone on the left is saying anything. Wait, Obama never said it neither.

I don't get it, Obama supports just swallow that hook line and following without thinking?

Well, I have to be fair and say... Some did try, but so far no straight answer.

P.S. Obama said its not class warfare...

 

[kwc57]

In the OP I asked how much is a fair share?

Later I asked how one, by looking at the tax brackets, knows that what we have now is not fair?

I'm noticing that hardly anyone on the left dare to talk about this. If this is key to his recovery plan, how come they don't talk about it?

Obama said tax the rich, whole left screams to tax the rich. Obama said rich must pay their fair share, left repeats like an echo - fair share.

OK, what is a fair share? Noone on the left is saying anything. Wait, Obama never said it neither.

I don't get it, Obama supports just swallow that hook line and following without thinking?

Well, I have to be fair and say... Some did try, but so far no straight answer.

P.S. Obama said its not class warfare...

Your fair share is on the plate. Mine is in the pan.

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[Flopper]

Sure, anyone is capable of an ad hominem attack but the way you refuted the idea of redistributing grades like we do wealth...why that was just brilliant. You were President of your high school debating team, weren't you?

Not a Fox News viewer by the way, but don't let that stop you.

you mean homerism like right wing talking points of a ridiculous anology equating GPA's and 12 room houses with taxes?

Funny...

I posted this (below) and you did not comment on it.
Please tell me how it is a talking point and not a very good analogy.

Read it and offer me your thoughts.

...

Student X has a 4.0 His parents paid for school, he has joined no clubs; no extra curricular activities....he dedicates all of his time to his schoolwork...extra help sessions and study groups.....and after 120 credits he has a 4.0

Student Y has a 2.8. He is putting himself through school by working 30 hours a week. He attends all of his classes and goes to as manyt study groups as he can.....but becuase he is forced to work to pay for school, food and rent, he can not attend ALL of the study groups and extra help sessions and his grades reflect it.

Should the school redistribute the GPA's?

Afterall, the both work hard and dedicate as much time as possible to their studies...but one is more "disadvantaged" than the other.

And if you notice...the students surveyed kept on saying "it is different with money" but no one would say how it is different.

Taxes and GPA are very different. You have to pay taxes. You can choose not to go to college, go to a cheaper school, or get a job and save the money for college.