How much debt did GWB add? the truth

[rdean]

One other question
when the UE rate was around 5% until Obama took office, when did the economy suffer?
2009?
I mean thru 9-11 and Clintons recession it never got much above 6
so when did the economy suffer?

You do understand that a President's budget is for ONE YEAR. Oct 1 to Oct 1. Obama was sworn in on Jan 20th, but his budget didn't start on the first day he took office. Try to figure out why.

That means Obama had to live under the Bush budget until October 1st, when unemployment has risen to 10.1%.

See how that works? Please explain how that was "Obama's fault".

Bush's Budget Projects Deficits

It's posts like this that cause the right wingers to hate my guts.

Obama lived under the Bush budget until Oct 1, 2009?
Didn't pass any of his own spending before Oct 1, 2009?

Did he? Show us what. Besides, what does that have to do with Bush's budget?

 

[Full-Auto]

Not only that, using psychological warfare on the US Population


The checks might not go out. But the SS trust is in fine shape.

 

[candycorn]

Auditor 00007 just called me a liar on another thread when I stated how much debt GWB added without intrest from the total
09 is open for debate and to be honest the last GOP budget was 07
But thru 08 it was well below 2.5 trillion
thats the number I used
If we are to give 1/2 of 09 (he did not sign the 09 budget) to GWB then it would be close to 2.5 trillion

any-one want to contest the link I have?
Being called a liar is something I do not take lightly

I think we all know that the tax cuts helped some and hurt others; who'd they help? I wonder...

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExfVYjRnxys]‪Bradley Whitford 2004 Mock Presidential Ad‬‏ - YouTube[/ame]​

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

You do understand that a President's budget is for ONE YEAR. Oct 1 to Oct 1. Obama was sworn in on Jan 20th, but his budget didn't start on the first day he took office. Try to figure out why.

That means Obama had to live under the Bush budget until October 1st, when unemployment has risen to 10.1%.

See how that works? Please explain how that was "Obama's fault".

Bush's Budget Projects Deficits

It's posts like this that cause the right wingers to hate my guts.

Obama lived under the Bush budget until Oct 1, 2009?
Didn't pass any of his own spending before Oct 1, 2009?

Did he? Show us what. Besides, what does that have to do with Bush's budget?

If you're blaming Bush for Obama spending money before Oct 1, 2009, you may be doing it wrong.

 

[JRK]

You should know by now that when your MessiahRushie told you the UE rate was 5% when Obama took over he was LYING!!!

The UE was over 7% and skyrocketing, up from the 3.9% Clinton passed to Bush, when Obama came into office and over 8% before he passed his first bill.

So when did the Iraq war cost the economy
when UE got in the 4s

Yes UE went up as Obama took office
and its not got much better
the war in Iraq is over young man
and as far as the 3.9 goes
I am to tired to look it up

we had a recession in 3/01 and 9-11 6 months later

Too lazy would be more honest.
The UE rate for all of 2000 was 3.97%

The United States Unemployment Rate
Clinton
2000-01 4.00
2000-02 4.10
2000-03 4.00
2000-04 3.80
2000-05 4.00
2000-06 4.00
2000-07 4.00
2000-08 4.10
2000-09 3.90
2000-10 3.90
2000-11 3.90
2000-12 3.90

As you can see it is 0543
I have been @ work for close to an hour
I see your still in bed

here are some numbers with a link
And by the way
Thank God we had a GOP congress de regulating so much back then to create those jobs huh?
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441

2.7 million is not bad for 99-00, but the slow down had began and the recession hit just 6 months before 9-11
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
The Business-Cycle Peak of March 2001

you will also notice this "peak" began in 1991

One more thing
get a life, and chill the fuck out
this stuff is not personal, stop making that way
it makes you look foolish

 

[JRK]

To start with we are done in Iraq
And I dont recall anyone of us waking up one morning and just deciding we should go to war
You got an issue with the war(s), so be it
but there care is pennies and for you even to suggest the reason we are having a financial crises (debt) with the US govt because of the injuries sustained by our troops in Iraq and Afghanistan is sick

Blame?
The amount of money spent in these countries is out there for every one to see
let me add that Obama's failed stimulus cost more than we had spent in Iraq
Little-known fact: Obama's failed stimulus program cost more than the Iraq war | Examiner Staff Writer | Beltway Confidential | Washington Examiner

At what point did the democratic party attempt to raise taxes to be used to offset the wars?
they have had both houses from 07-11 with the white house 09-11 and very close to a super majority

you keep posting the right-wing whack-job sources that have no credibility. The reason it is a "little-known" fact is because it is not a fact at all!

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond
The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war.

But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

would coulda maybe might...please. if I say the cbo says obama care will cots us trillions all you have to say is its "projections"...please...



here from the congressional research office, the cost right now and into 2012 for iraq and afghan.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

have at it;

1.283 Trillion thru 2011

Oh thats got to hurt
great research
notice the 07 numbers vs the 09 thru 2011 numbers with Iraq

 

[edthecynic]

So when did the Iraq war cost the economy
when UE got in the 4s

Yes UE went up as Obama took office
and its not got much better
the war in Iraq is over young man
and as far as the 3.9 goes
I am to tired to look it up

we had a recession in 3/01 and 9-11 6 months later

Too lazy would be more honest.
The UE rate for all of 2000 was 3.97%

The United States Unemployment Rate
Clinton
2000-01 4.00
2000-02 4.10
2000-03 4.00
2000-04 3.80
2000-05 4.00
2000-06 4.00
2000-07 4.00
2000-08 4.10
2000-09 3.90
2000-10 3.90
2000-11 3.90
2000-12 3.90

As you can see it is 0543
I have been @ work for close to an hour
I see your still in bed

here are some numbers with a link
And by the way
Thank God we had a GOP congress de regulating so much back then to create those jobs huh?
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441

2.7 million is not bad for 99-00, but the slow down had began and the recession hit just 6 months before 9-11
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
The Business-Cycle Peak of March 2001

you will also notice this "peak" began in 1991

One more thing
get a life, and chill the fuck out
this stuff is not personal, stop making that way
it makes you look foolish

So do we also thank God that we had a GOP congress and president for the slow down and recession????

 

[JRK]

Too lazy would be more honest.
The UE rate for all of 2000 was 3.97%

The United States Unemployment Rate
Clinton
2000-01 4.00
2000-02 4.10
2000-03 4.00
2000-04 3.80
2000-05 4.00
2000-06 4.00
2000-07 4.00
2000-08 4.10
2000-09 3.90
2000-10 3.90
2000-11 3.90
2000-12 3.90

As you can see it is 0543
I have been @ work for close to an hour
I see your still in bed

here are some numbers with a link
And by the way
Thank God we had a GOP congress de regulating so much back then to create those jobs huh?
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441

2.7 million is not bad for 99-00, but the slow down had began and the recession hit just 6 months before 9-11
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
The Business-Cycle Peak of March 2001

you will also notice this "peak" began in 1991

One more thing
get a life, and chill the fuck out
this stuff is not personal, stop making that way
it makes you look foolish

So do we also thank God that we had a GOP congress and president for the slow down and recession????

Now your catching on

Look in all reality coming out of the 90s it could not get much better

We had numerous smaller bubbles burst
we had 9-11
we had Enron (part of the DE regulation of electrical power service bubble)
The dot com bubble had just exploded as well as NASDAQ

Clinton and the GOP congress made some choices, as did GWB and the early congress he dealt with

GWB made 2 huge mistakes, with congress
Under funding Medicare drug plan
Underfunding the 2 wars (yes there was some plans to fund these wars)
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US pulls out of Saudi Arabia
just an example of things that you never hear about

Without those 2 events, the liberal has nothing he or she can point to
Iraq was a bi partisan event

If you dis agree with it, thats your right

 

[edthecynic]

As you can see it is 0543
I have been @ work for close to an hour
I see your still in bed

here are some numbers with a link
And by the way
Thank God we had a GOP congress de regulating so much back then to create those jobs huh?
1999...... 128,993 108,686 24,465 598 6,545 17,322

2000...... 131,785 110,995 24,649 599 6,787 17,263
2001...... 131,826 110,708 23,873 606 6,826 16,441

2.7 million is not bad for 99-00, but the slow down had began and the recession hit just 6 months before 9-11
ftp://ftp.bls.gov/pub/suppl/empsit.ceseeb1.txt
The Business-Cycle Peak of March 2001

you will also notice this "peak" began in 1991

One more thing
get a life, and chill the fuck out
this stuff is not personal, stop making that way
it makes you look foolish

So do we also thank God that we had a GOP congress and president for the slow down and recession????

Now your catching on

Look in all reality coming out of the 90s it could not get much better

We had numerous smaller bubbles burst
we had 9-11
we had Enron (part of the DE regulation of electrical power service bubble)
The dot com bubble had just exploded as well as NASDAQ

Clinton and the GOP congress made some choices, as did GWB and the early congress he dealt with

GWB made 2 huge mistakes, with congress
Under funding Medicare drug plan
Underfunding the 2 wars (yes there was some plans to fund these wars)
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US pulls out of Saudi Arabia
just an example of things that you never hear about

Without those 2 events, the liberal has nothing he or she can point to
Iraq was a bi partisan event

If you dis agree with it, thats your right

Well, there you go again, first you praise deregulation for creating jobs, and then in the next post you condemn it for Enron.

And Bush got "bipartisan support" for Iraq by lying to Congress, so the GOP owns it 100%.

 

[rdean]

you keep posting the right-wing whack-job sources that have no credibility. The reason it is a "little-known" fact is because it is not a fact at all!

The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond
The true cost of the Iraq war: $3 trillion and beyond

By Joseph E. Stiglitz and Linda J. Bilmes
Sunday, September 5, 2010

Writing in these pages in early 2008, we put the total cost to the United States of the Iraq war at $3 trillion. This price tag dwarfed previous estimates, including the Bush administration's 2003 projections of a $50 billion to $60 billion war.

But today, as the United States ends combat in Iraq, it appears that our $3 trillion estimate (which accounted for both government expenses and the war's broader impact on the U.S. economy) was, if anything, too low. For example, the cost of diagnosing, treating and compensating disabled veterans has proved higher than we expected.

would coulda maybe might...please. if I say the cbo says obama care will cots us trillions all you have to say is its "projections"...please...



here from the congressional research office, the cost right now and into 2012 for iraq and afghan.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

have at it;

1.283 Trillion thru 2011

Oh thats got to hurt
great research
notice the 07 numbers vs the 09 thru 2011 numbers with Iraq

That was poor research. It only covered "operations" in Iraq.

Include the cost of rebuilding our military.
Include the cost of the tens of thousands of maimed and injured American soldiers that will need care for life by being sent into Iraq over a lie.
Include the cost of paying for the children of brave soldiers who lost their lives over Bush lying.
Include the cost of rebuilding Iraq.

Suddenly that amount triples or quadruples or more. And Republicans, the slimes, will blame it on Obama claiming he exploded the deficit. Can't the right ever be honest? Ever?

 

[JRK]

would coulda maybe might...please. if I say the cbo says obama care will cots us trillions all you have to say is its "projections"...please...



here from the congressional research office, the cost right now and into 2012 for iraq and afghan.

http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/natsec/RL33110.pdf

have at it;

1.283 Trillion thru 2011

Oh thats got to hurt
great research
notice the 07 numbers vs the 09 thru 2011 numbers with Iraq

That was poor research. It only covered "operations" in Iraq.

Include the cost of rebuilding our military.
Include the cost of the tens of thousands of maimed and injured American soldiers that will need care for life by being sent into Iraq over a lie.
Include the cost of paying for the children of brave soldiers who lost their lives over Bush lying.
Include the cost of rebuilding Iraq.

Suddenly that amount triples or quadruples or more. And Republicans, the slimes, will blame it on Obama claiming he exploded the deficit. Can't the right ever be honest? Ever?

What is there to rebuild?
we area spending more in military cost in Libya (each missile that has to be replaced)

That care for the troops you make political , but the bottom line is that cost is not a pimple on the cost GM still, owes us (the UAW)
Doubles?
thats sad dude
Thats really sad your that desperate

The war in Iraq is over
the cost to care for those wounded cost us 1 million dollars per wounded soldier, and we had 10,000 troops that needed that much care
do you know how much money that is?
My god man THINK

 

[rdean]

Oh thats got to hurt
great research
notice the 07 numbers vs the 09 thru 2011 numbers with Iraq

That was poor research. It only covered "operations" in Iraq.

Include the cost of rebuilding our military.
Include the cost of the tens of thousands of maimed and injured American soldiers that will need care for life by being sent into Iraq over a lie.
Include the cost of paying for the children of brave soldiers who lost their lives over Bush lying.
Include the cost of rebuilding Iraq.

Suddenly that amount triples or quadruples or more. And Republicans, the slimes, will blame it on Obama claiming he exploded the deficit. Can't the right ever be honest? Ever?

What is there to rebuild?
we area spending more in military cost in Libya (each missile that has to be replaced)

That care for the troops you make political , but the bottom line is that cost is not a pimple on the cost GM still, owes us (the UAW)
Doubles?
thats sad dude
Thats really sad your that desperate

The war in Iraq is over
the cost to care for those wounded cost us 1 million dollars per wounded soldier, and we had 10,000 troops that needed that much care
do you know how much money that is?
My god man THINK

Iraq War Facts, Statistics at June 30, 2011 - Iraq War Casualties, Spending

US Troops Wounded - 32,130, 20% of which are serious brain or spinal injuries. (Total excludes psychological injuries.)

US Troops with Serious Mental Health Problems - 30% of US troops develop serious mental health problems within 3 to 4 months of returning home

Cost of deploying one U.S. soldier for one year in Iraq - $390,000 (Congressional Research Service)

Costs of Living with Spinal Cord Injury - Spinal Cord Injury - Paralysis Research Center

According to The University of Alabama National Spinal Cord Injury Statistical Center and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the costs of living with SCI can be considerable, and vary greatly due to the severity of injury. 42.6% of spinal cord injured individuals are considered paraplegic (losses of movement and sensation in the lower body) and 56.4% quadriplegic (losses of movement and sensation in both the arms and legs).

First Year$775,567
Each Subsequent Year High quadriplegia (C1-C4) $138,923

Estimated lifetime costs
High quadriplegia (C1-C4) $3,059,184

Now times 3 million by 6,000 what do you get?

------------------------------

Republicans sent these kids into Iraq on a whim with old and rusty equipment and complain that when Democrats "point that out" they are being too "political". Screw the Republicans. Their party is a mess and a disaster that leaves devastation every where they look. They have zero success at anything and destruction every where they focus.

 

[JRK]

So do we also thank God that we had a GOP congress and president for the slow down and recession????

Now your catching on

Look in all reality coming out of the 90s it could not get much better

We had numerous smaller bubbles burst
we had 9-11
we had Enron (part of the DE regulation of electrical power service bubble)
The dot com bubble had just exploded as well as NASDAQ

Clinton and the GOP congress made some choices, as did GWB and the early congress he dealt with

GWB made 2 huge mistakes, with congress
Under funding Medicare drug plan
Underfunding the 2 wars (yes there was some plans to fund these wars)
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US pulls out of Saudi Arabia
just an example of things that you never hear about

Without those 2 events, the liberal has nothing he or she can point to
Iraq was a bi partisan event

If you dis agree with it, thats your right

Well, there you go again, first you praise deregulation for creating jobs, and then in the next post you condemn it for Enron.

And Bush got "bipartisan support" for Iraq by lying to Congress, so the GOP owns it 100%.

Enron had middle mgmt people who lied
you cannot regulate morality

as far as lying to congress
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Do you know who this man was at that time?
what his job was?
I voted for him in the late 90s
This of course was after the vote in the senate in Oct. 2002

 

[edthecynic]

Now your catching on

Look in all reality coming out of the 90s it could not get much better

We had numerous smaller bubbles burst
we had 9-11
we had Enron (part of the DE regulation of electrical power service bubble)
The dot com bubble had just exploded as well as NASDAQ

Clinton and the GOP congress made some choices, as did GWB and the early congress he dealt with

GWB made 2 huge mistakes, with congress
Under funding Medicare drug plan
Underfunding the 2 wars (yes there was some plans to fund these wars)
BBC NEWS | Middle East | US pulls out of Saudi Arabia
just an example of things that you never hear about

Without those 2 events, the liberal has nothing he or she can point to
Iraq was a bi partisan event

If you dis agree with it, thats your right

Well, there you go again, first you praise deregulation for creating jobs, and then in the next post you condemn it for Enron.

And Bush got "bipartisan support" for Iraq by lying to Congress, so the GOP owns it 100%.

Enron had middle mgmt people who lied
you cannot regulate morality

as far as lying to congress
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Do you know who this man was at that time?
what his job was?
I voted for him in the late 90s
This of course was after the vote in the senate in Oct. 2002

Yeah, he was in possession of the phony "evidence" Cheney manufactured, and he was stupid enough to trust the DICK.

 

[rdean]

Well, there you go again, first you praise deregulation for creating jobs, and then in the next post you condemn it for Enron.

And Bush got "bipartisan support" for Iraq by lying to Congress, so the GOP owns it 100%.

Enron had middle mgmt people who lied
you cannot regulate morality

as far as lying to congress
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Do you know who this man was at that time?
what his job was?
I voted for him in the late 90s
This of course was after the vote in the senate in Oct. 2002

Yeah, he was in possession of the phony "evidence" Cheney manufactured, and he was stupid enough to trust the DICK.

America didn't know how low Republicans could sink. It's why they keep "winning". 2.4 million Americans would lose their unemployment unless Obama extended the Bush tax cuts. Republican realized that Obama loves he American people. Republicans don't. It was easy to threaten Obama with screwing the middle class if they didn't get their way. Because they do that anyway. Republicans kneel at the alter of "rich" and only have contempt for the middle class. The poor, they outright hate.

 

[JRK]

Well, there you go again, first you praise deregulation for creating jobs, and then in the next post you condemn it for Enron.

And Bush got "bipartisan support" for Iraq by lying to Congress, so the GOP owns it 100%.

Enron had middle mgmt people who lied
you cannot regulate morality

as far as lying to congress
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Do you know who this man was at that time?
what his job was?
I voted for him in the late 90s
This of course was after the vote in the senate in Oct. 2002

Yeah, he was in possession of the phony "evidence" Cheney manufactured, and he was stupid enough to trust the DICK.

H.R. 4655 - Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
So where did this Intel come from?

 

[JRK]

Enron had middle mgmt people who lied
you cannot regulate morality

as far as lying to congress
Democrat Quotes on Iraq Weapons of Mass Destruction

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." -- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

Do you know who this man was at that time?
what his job was?
I voted for him in the late 90s
This of course was after the vote in the senate in Oct. 2002

Yeah, he was in possession of the phony "evidence" Cheney manufactured, and he was stupid enough to trust the DICK.

America didn't know how low Republicans could sink. It's why they keep "winning". 2.4 million Americans would lose their unemployment unless Obama extended the Bush tax cuts. Republican realized that Obama loves he American people. Republicans don't. It was easy to threaten Obama with screwing the middle class if they didn't get their way. Because they do that anyway. Republicans kneel at the alter of "rich" and only have contempt for the middle class. The poor, they outright hate.

I gross 60-80k a year
in 2001 GWB and the GOP cut everyones taxes
It allowed me to keep about 30,000 more dollars of wealth than if those rates had not been changed
I am not rich
it would be hard to convince me the people who where responsible for that hate me

You might want to think about that
I do not know your age or what you do for wealth
But the GOP is truly for the working man

 

[edthecynic]

Yeah, he was in possession of the phony "evidence" Cheney manufactured, and he was stupid enough to trust the DICK.

America didn't know how low Republicans could sink. It's why they keep "winning". 2.4 million Americans would lose their unemployment unless Obama extended the Bush tax cuts. Republican realized that Obama loves he American people. Republicans don't. It was easy to threaten Obama with screwing the middle class if they didn't get their way. Because they do that anyway. Republicans kneel at the alter of "rich" and only have contempt for the middle class. The poor, they outright hate.

I gross 60-80k a year
in 2001 GWB and the GOP cut everyones taxes
It allowed me to keep about 30,000 more dollars of wealth than if those rates had not been changed
I am not rich
it would be hard to convince me the people who where responsible for that hate me

You might want to think about that
I do not know your age or what you do for wealth
But the GOP is truly for the working man

BULLSHIT! Welfare does not pay that much! And even if welfare did pay that much, over 10 years you might have gotten $10k tops.

 

[DavidS]

Hey guys, you do know Barack Obama is in charge now. He's in charge. He's in charge. You must one day FINALLY accept the fact that Barack Obama is in charge. It's HIS watch now. Not Bush's.

Why don't you accept responsibility for the total debt Bush added?

He DOUBLED the national debt under his tenure.

As did Reagan.

 

[DavidS]

Under Ronald Reagan:

National debt September 81: 997,855,000,000.00
National debt September 89: 2,857,430,960,187.32

Actually, I lied, that was almost a tripling of the national debt.

National debt September 89: 2,857,430,960,187.32
National debt September 93: 4,411,488,883,139.38

Under HW Bush, our national debt almost doubled.

National debt September 01: 5,807,463,412,200.06
National debt September 09: 11,909,829,003,511.75

Under W Bush, our national debt doubled.

Government - Historical Debt Outstanding - Annual 2000 - 2010

Let's see here... under Clinton... our national debt was what again? It increased by 30%.

It's amazing how Republicans talk about Obama and bash Obama for his addition to the national debt, yet completely forget about what Reagan, Bush 1 and Bush 2 did.