How many blame republicans?

I'm not sure that some of the far right even understand what Fannie and Freddie are supposed to do.

That's true. They were never out on the street peddling mortgages like Countryside and all the others that filled our TV screens 24/7. They guaranteed those mortgages, which is where they took the hit.

they guaranteed sub prime mortgages?

Well, no, not in the sense that they were a co-signer. I might as well post this whole thing, which explains it all. If I just posted the link, nobody would bother to read it.

McClatchy Washington Bureau
Posted on Sun, Oct. 12, 2008

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis
David Goldstein and Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
last updated: February 19, 2010 02:01:13 PM

WASHINGTON — As the economy worsens and Election Day approaches, a conservative campaign that blames the global financial crisis on a government push to make housing more affordable to lower-class Americans has taken off on talk radio and e-mail.

Commentators say that's what triggered the stock market meltdown and the freeze on credit. They've specifically targeted the mortgage finance giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, which the federal government seized on Sept. 6, contending that lending to poor and minority Americans caused Fannie's and Freddie's financial problems.

Federal housing data reveal that the charges aren't true, and that the private sector, not the government or government-backed companies, was behind the soaring subprime lending at the core of the crisis.

Subprime lending offered high-cost loans to the weakest borrowers during the housing boom that lasted from 2001 to 2007. Subprime lending was at its height from 2004 to 2006.

Federal Reserve Board data show that:

More than 84 percent of the subprime mortgages in 2006 were issued by private lending institutions.

Private firms made nearly 83 percent of the subprime loans to low- and moderate-income borrowers that year.

Only one of the top 25 subprime lenders in 2006 was directly subject to the housing law that's being lambasted by conservative critics.

The "turmoil in financial markets clearly was triggered by a dramatic weakening of underwriting standards for U.S. subprime mortgages, beginning in late 2004 and extending into 2007," the President's Working Group on Financial Markets reported Friday.

Conservative critics claim that the Clinton administration pushed Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to make home ownership more available to riskier borrowers with little concern for their ability to pay the mortgages.

"I don't remember a clarion call that said Fannie and Freddie are a disaster. Loaning to minorities and risky folks is a disaster," said Neil Cavuto of Fox News.

Fannie, the Federal National Mortgage Association, and Freddie, the Federal Home Loan Mortgage Corp., don't lend money, to minorities or anyone else, however. They purchase loans from the private lenders who actually underwrite the loans.

It's a process called securitization, and by passing on the loans, banks have more capital on hand so they can lend even more.


This much is true. In an effort to promote affordable home ownership for minorities and rural whites, the Department of Housing and Urban Development set targets for Fannie and Freddie in 1992 to purchase low-income loans for sale into the secondary market that eventually reached this number: 52 percent of loans given to low-to moderate-income families.

To be sure, encouraging lower-income Americans to become homeowners gave unsophisticated borrowers and unscrupulous lenders and mortgage brokers more chances to turn dreams of homeownership in nightmares.

But these loans, and those to low- and moderate-income families represent a small portion of overall lending. And at the height of the housing boom in 2005 and 2006, Republicans and their party's standard bearer, President Bush, didn't criticize any sort of lending, frequently boasting that they were presiding over the highest-ever rates of U.S. homeownership.

Between 2004 and 2006, when subprime lending was exploding, Fannie and Freddie went from holding a high of 48 percent of the subprime loans that were sold into the secondary market to holding about 24 percent, according to data from Inside Mortgage Finance, a specialty publication. One reason is that Fannie and Freddie were subject to tougher standards than many of the unregulated players in the private sector who weakened lending standards, most of whom have gone bankrupt or are now in deep trouble.

During those same explosive three years, private investment banks — not Fannie and Freddie — dominated the mortgage loans that were packaged and sold into the secondary mortgage market. In 2005 and 2006, the private sector securitized almost two thirds of all U.S. mortgages, supplanting Fannie and Freddie, according to a number of specialty publications that track this data.

In 1999, the year many critics charge that the Clinton administration pressured Fannie and Freddie, the private sector sold into the secondary market just 18 percent of all mortgages.

Fueled by low interest rates and cheap credit, home prices between 2001 and 2007 galloped beyond anything ever seen, and that fueled demand for mortgage-backed securities, the technical term for mortgages that are sold to a company, usually an investment bank, which then pools and sells them into the secondary mortgage market.

About 70 percent of all U.S. mortgages are in this secondary mortgage market, according to the Federal Reserve.

Conservative critics also blame the subprime lending mess on the Community Reinvestment Act, a 31-year-old law aimed at freeing credit for underserved neighborhoods.

Congress created the CRA in 1977 to reverse years of redlining and other restrictive banking practices that locked the poor, and especially minorities, out of homeownership and the tax breaks and wealth creation it affords. The CRA requires federally regulated and insured financial institutions to show that they're lending and investing in their communities.

Conservative columnist Charles Krauthammer wrote recently that while the goal of the CRA was admirable, "it led to tremendous pressure on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac — who in turn pressured banks and other lenders — to extend mortgages to people who were borrowing over their heads. That's called subprime lending. It lies at the root of our current calamity."

Fannie and Freddie, however, didn't pressure lenders to sell them more loans; they struggled to keep pace with their private sector competitors. In fact, their regulator, the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight, imposed new restrictions in 2006 that led to Fannie and Freddie losing even more market share in the booming subprime market.

What's more, only commercial banks and thrifts must follow CRA rules. The investment banks don't, nor did the now-bankrupt non-bank lenders such as New Century Financial Corp. and Ameriquest that underwrote most of the subprime loans.

These private non-bank lenders enjoyed a regulatory gap, allowing them to be regulated by 50 different state banking supervisors instead of the federal government. And mortgage brokers, who also weren't subject to federal regulation or the CRA, originated most of the subprime loans.

In a speech last March, Janet Yellen, the president of the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco, debunked the notion that the push for affordable housing created today's problems.

"Most of the loans made by depository institutions examined under the CRA have not been higher-priced loans," she said. "The CRA has increased the volume of responsible lending to low- and moderate-income households."

In a book on the sub-prime lending collapse published in June 2007, the late Federal Reserve Governor Ed Gramlich wrote that only one-third of all CRA loans had interest rates high enough to be considered sub-prime and that to the pleasant surprise of commercial banks there were low default rates. Banks that participated in CRA lending had found, he wrote, "that this new lending is good business."

Private sector loans, not Fannie or Freddie, triggered crisis | McClatchy
 
noine of those democrats ordered men into battle to rid Saddam of those weapons that he just so happened NOT to have. that was ALL Bush:razz:

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


Or did John Kerry lie for political reasons?
 
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear.
We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

Uh.. yeah. Bush invented the whole thing.
 
And then there's this:

"Iraq is a long way from USA but, what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
 
Oh, and this:

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
 
Oops.. another one:

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S.Constitution and Laws, to take necessary actions, (including, if appropriate,
air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction
programs."
Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
 
I never thought the right would abandon its long held belief that we are the greatest nation on earth.

Conservatives throw America under the bus! Film at eleven.
No one has thrown America under the bus but obama and company. We are just tring to protect what we can against the tide of insanity.

Democrats have had the presidency, the Senate, and the House, simultaneously, for exactly 4 out of the last 29 years, counting this year.

What are you blaming the Democrats for, again, exactly? ...in that 1/7th of the last 3 decades that they actually had unshared power?
 
I never thought the right would abandon its long held belief that we are the greatest nation on earth.

Conservatives throw America under the bus! Film at eleven.
No one has thrown America under the bus but obama and company. We are just tring to protect what we can against the tide of insanity.

Democrats have had the presidency, the Senate, and the House, simultaneously, for exactly 4 out of the last 29 years, counting this year.

What are you blaming the Democrats for, again, exactly? ...in that 1/7th of the last 3 decades that they actually had unshared power?
I am blaming the democrats for the failure of Freddy and Fanny which if they would have controlled their pet projects we never would have had a failed economy
 
No one has thrown America under the bus but obama and company. We are just tring to protect what we can against the tide of insanity.

Now go take a look at "mine and oil" safety.

Talk about fucking insanity. Read this from 2001. Bush and the Republicans deregulated OSHA and replaced "safety" with "Voluntary Compliance". And then wrote a "stunning" glowing, completely imaginary report and "published it" as the official government position.

If it were up to Republicans, it would all be about "Voluntary Compliance". "Speed limits", and all automobile regulations would be "voluntary Compliance". Yea, stick you family in that car and drive down the highway built on only "Voluntary Compliance".

But it saved billions for Mine owners and Oil companies, so to Republicans, it was "worth it". The fuckers.

2001 OSHSPA Report - State Incentives: Promoting Voluntary Compliance

State legislatures and state plan administrators alike believe that enforcement is just one tool for decreasing worker injuries, illnesses and fatalities. Federal OSHA and state plans use incentives that promote voluntary compliance, as well as employer/employee education and training to identify and abate worksite hazards. Through the strategic planning process, these activities are coordinated with the enforcement program in each state to focus on priorities identified by their strategic plans.

Yopu really don't know what you are talking about.


Who's Yopu? Your pet ferret?
 
Now go take a look at "mine and oil" safety.

Talk about fucking insanity. Read this from 2001. Bush and the Republicans deregulated OSHA and replaced "safety" with "Voluntary Compliance". And then wrote a "stunning" glowing, completely imaginary report and "published it" as the official government position.

If it were up to Republicans, it would all be about "Voluntary Compliance". "Speed limits", and all automobile regulations would be "voluntary Compliance". Yea, stick you family in that car and drive down the highway built on only "Voluntary Compliance".

But it saved billions for Mine owners and Oil companies, so to Republicans, it was "worth it". The fuckers.

2001 OSHSPA Report - State Incentives: Promoting Voluntary Compliance

State legislatures and state plan administrators alike believe that enforcement is just one tool for decreasing worker injuries, illnesses and fatalities. Federal OSHA and state plans use incentives that promote voluntary compliance, as well as employer/employee education and training to identify and abate worksite hazards. Through the strategic planning process, these activities are coordinated with the enforcement program in each state to focus on priorities identified by their strategic plans.

Yopu really don't know what you are talking about.


Who's Yopu? Your pet ferret?

I have a new keyboard the keys are a little touche and my fingers are a little thick it was a typo but if you insist I was spelling you. You do realize o&p are side by side on the keyboard
 
noine of those democrats ordered men into battle to rid Saddam of those weapons that he just so happened NOT to have. that was ALL Bush:razz:

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." -- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002


Or did John Kerry lie for political reasons?

giving the president the authority to use force - IF NECESSARY- is not the same thing as actually ordering men into battle when it was NOT necessary...but then, a cowardly, traitorous moron like you might not understand that.:razz:
 
I have been a member of this board for less then a day and I have read a few misinformed replies about blaming the republicans for all that is wrong with this country. I am here to set the record straight.


Since 1945 the democrats have controlled the house all but 7 times

From 1949 to 1993 the Democrats have controlled the house.
= 44years

2006 until the present the Democrats have controlled the house.
=4 years

Democrats controlled the senate
1945,
1949,
1951
1955
1957
1959
1961
1963
1965
1967
1969
1971
1973
1975
1977
1979
=32years

Also I will add that the democrats control both house and senate from
1955-1979
= 24 years

and from1987-1993
= 6 years
And in 2001 the democrats controlled the senate
= 2years


Years Democrats controlled White House and Congress[/B]
1945
1949
1951
1961
1963
1965
1967
1977
1979
1993
1995
1997
1999
2009
= 28 years


The Repoublicans controlled the Senate
1947
1953
1981
1983
1985
1995
1997
1999
2003
2005
= 20years

the Republicans had controlled the house
1995
1997
1999
2001
2003
2005
=12years

Years Republican controlled the White House and Congress
2003
2005
=4years
And here is a look at each year
Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008
Sounds like the American voter don't care much for Republican ideas.
 
I have been a member of this board for less then a day and I have read a few misinformed replies about blaming the republicans for all that is wrong with this country. I am here to set the record straight.


Since 1945 the democrats have controlled the house all but 7 times

From 1949 to 1993 the Democrats have controlled the house.
= 44years

2006 until the present the Democrats have controlled the house.
=4 years

Democrats controlled the senate
1945,
1949,
1951
1955
1957
1959
1961
1963
1965
1967
1969
1971
1973
1975
1977
1979
=32years

Also I will add that the democrats control both house and senate from
1955-1979
= 24 years

and from1987-1993
= 6 years
And in 2001 the democrats controlled the senate
= 2years


Years Democrats controlled White House and Congress[/B]
1945
1949
1951
1961
1963
1965
1967
1977
1979
1993
1995
1997
1999
2009
= 28 years


The Repoublicans controlled the Senate
1947
1953
1981
1983
1985
1995
1997
1999
2003
2005
= 20years

the Republicans had controlled the house
1995
1997
1999
2001
2003
2005
=12years

Years Republican controlled the White House and Congress
2003
2005
=4years
And here is a look at each year
Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008
Sounds like the American voter don't care much for Republican ideas.

Yep and look were that has gotten us two failed economy's.
 
I have been a member of this board for less then a day and I have read a few misinformed replies about blaming the republicans for all that is wrong with this country. I am here to set the record straight.


Since 1945 the democrats have controlled the house all but 7 times

From 1949 to 1993 the Democrats have controlled the house.
= 44years

2006 until the present the Democrats have controlled the house.
=4 years

Democrats controlled the senate
1945,
1949,
1951
1955
1957
1959
1961
1963
1965
1967
1969
1971
1973
1975
1977
1979
=32years

Also I will add that the democrats control both house and senate from
1955-1979
= 24 years

and from1987-1993
= 6 years
And in 2001 the democrats controlled the senate
= 2years


Years Democrats controlled White House and Congress[/B]
1945
1949
1951
1961
1963
1965
1967
1977
1979
1993
1995
1997
1999
2009
= 28 years


The Repoublicans controlled the Senate
1947
1953
1981
1983
1985
1995
1997
1999
2003
2005
= 20years

the Republicans had controlled the house
1995
1997
1999
2001
2003
2005
=12years

Years Republican controlled the White House and Congress
2003
2005
=4years
And here is a look at each year
Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008
Sounds like the American voter don't care much for Republican ideas.

.....Especially in-comparison.......

:rolleyes:
 
I have been a member of this board for less then a day and I have read a few misinformed replies about blaming the republicans for all that is wrong with this country. I am here to set the record straight.


Since 1945 the democrats have controlled the house all but 7 times

From 1949 to 1993 the Democrats have controlled the house.
= 44years

2006 until the present the Democrats have controlled the house.
=4 years

Democrats controlled the senate
1945,
1949,
1951
1955
1957
1959
1961
1963
1965
1967
1969
1971
1973
1975
1977
1979
=32years

Also I will add that the democrats control both house and senate from
1955-1979
= 24 years

and from1987-1993
= 6 years
And in 2001 the democrats controlled the senate
= 2years


Years Democrats controlled White House and Congress[/B]
1945
1949
1951
1961
1963
1965
1967
1977
1979
1993
1995
1997
1999
2009
= 28 years


The Repoublicans controlled the Senate
1947
1953
1981
1983
1985
1995
1997
1999
2003
2005
= 20years

the Republicans had controlled the house
1995
1997
1999
2001
2003
2005
=12years

Years Republican controlled the White House and Congress
2003
2005
=4years
And here is a look at each year
Party In Power - Congress and Presidency - A Visual Guide To The Balance of Power In Congress, 1945-2008
Sounds like the American voter don't care much for Republican ideas.

.....Especially in-comparison.......

:rolleyes:

:doubt::cuckoo:I don't think so more like you have been sniffing to much glue.
 

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