How long will the cons have to hear they trashed the economy?

[sealybobo]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

Pretending it the dems fault when the dems are the ones who inisted the Broker rules be in the gramm leach bliely act to make it plausable and functionable in our economic system is utter stupidity.



WHY did Bush and his SEC REFUSE to impliment the full bill?


Becasue without this protection the banks who won them GOT EVERYTHING they had been wanting go0t decades.

They got the ability to deal however they wanted with the lending part and the secruities part of this bill.

With the protection intact they would have had to hire only professionally trained brokers.

without the protections they could hire and train whomever they wanted and however they wanted.

They hired dupes and rubes and trained them to do their bidding.


You people are now the rubes

I'll tell you what. You can go on living in your perfect little world where Democrats are wonderful angels riding magic flying unicorns.

And the rest of us will live in the world where we know everyone inside the Beltway are self-serving egomaniacs.

Deal??

 

[Rat in the Hat]

The Bush team allowed the banks to skirt the regulations written into the gramm leach bliely act.


They immediately inforced all the shit in it the BANKS had been drooling over since Glass Steagal and mad sure the protection written into the bill were never implimented untill AFTER the crash.


This was designed by the right to FUCK the American people and make bank for the banks.


Then when it didnt create the Utopia the right has ALWAYS claimed their ideas would they had to resort to Kensyean fiscal policy to get us out of the mess.



Nope folks THIS was orcastrated by the republican party and their masters the wealthy.

I know it sounds all fair and shit to blame everyone.

But it aint true

And what did your Democrats do to fix it in 2007 & 2008 when they had the majority in Congress?

Nothing.

They were too busy enriching themselves, just like the Republicans were.

Obama is worth over 10 million dollars, how much did he pay in taxes last year. How much of this WEALTH came about since he became Divider-in-Chief???

And why isn't he redistributing HIS wealth, like he wanted to do to Joe the Plumber??

 

[Truthmatters]

Guess who writes loans and guess who sells securities ?



Brokers do folks.


If the brokers had remained being professionally trained like BEFORE GLB act then they would have refused to sell these loans and refused to sell the securities that were filled with bad loans.

Do you know why they would have refused?

Because they would have gotten their brokers credentials taken away.


Now you can pretend this isnt true but that does not make it reality

 

[Gremlin-USA]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

 

[Truthmatters]

The republican party is the party of the wealthy.

Their ideas have proven yet again to Fuck this country and our economy.


Now they want to power to do some more damage.

They are still waving arround the SAME FUCKING IDEAS that caused this mess.


WHY??????

 

[Truthmatters]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

stupid fucking lie with no basis in fact.

 

[Truthmatters]

Your party will have this mess on their backs right up until there is no republican party.

The ideas you promote will bare the weight of thier results untill there is no human beings left.

You created the history with your failed ideas and you will always be tattooed with it.

 

[sealybobo]

The Bush team allowed the banks to skirt the regulations written into the gramm leach bliely act.


They immediately inforced all the shit in it the BANKS had been drooling over since Glass Steagal and mad sure the protection written into the bill were never implimented untill AFTER the crash.


This was designed by the right to FUCK the American people and make bank for the banks.


Then when it didnt create the Utopia the right has ALWAYS claimed their ideas would they had to resort to Kensyean fiscal policy to get us out of the mess.



Nope folks THIS was orcastrated by the republican party and their masters the wealthy.

I know it sounds all fair and shit to blame everyone.

But it aint true

And what did your Democrats do to fix it in 2007 & 2008 when they had the majority in Congress?

Nothing.

They were too busy enriching themselves, just like the Republicans were.

Obama is worth over 10 million dollars, how much did he pay in taxes last year. How much of this WEALTH came about since he became Divider-in-Chief???

Obama isn't even making $1 million dollars a year, yet. Now contemplate how rich the top 1% are if they are. And ask yourself, why should they be getting an unfair tax break while we are broke? When it was them who lied us into war and are making great money being CEO's of Bain Capital, Oil Companies, Defense Contractors and Healthcare Giants. And gouging us. This is why it is our Government that must get involved and fix this mess. The rich and corporations have taken over our country and its time to take it back. Vote Democratic. Straight ticket.

 

[Truthmatters]

it is tattoooed accrossed the forehead of the republican party

 

[sealybobo]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

Obama adds 300K jobs a month. You say he bad.

Bush was losing 700K jobs a month, you said he good.

P.S. If it weren't for Boehner/Ryan in the House and McConnell in the Senate, Obama would be adding 600K jobs a month.

What you just said is the officlal lie I'm hearing the GOP repeat over and over and over. You are trying to win over people who aren't paying that close attention. Because everyone paying attention knows you are a fool and liar. God I wish we could have an Uncivil war.

 

[naturegirl]

forgot to put this in my last post:

24 April 2008, Goldman Sachs donates $1,000,000 to Obama campaign.
25 April 2008, AIG donates $630,000 to Obama campaign.
26 April 2008, Morgan Stanley donates $485,823 to Obama campaign.
27 May 03, 2008, Bush (Republican) warns Congress again.
28 May 19,2008, Bush (Republican) warns Congress again.
29 May 31, 2008, Bush (Republican) makes radio address warning Congress to pass limits on FANNIE MAE.
30 June 2008, Bush (Republican) warns Congress again.
31 July 2008, Congress finally passes a reform bill on FANNIE MAE lending.
32 November 4, 2008, Hussein Obama elected president.
33 December 18, 2008 House Oversight and Government Reform Committee conducts further hearings into FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC.
34 February 17, 2009, Hussein Obama (Democrat) signs bailout program.
35 March, 2009, AIG reports $62,000,000,000 loss.
36 April 2009, Goldman Sachs reports $780,000,000 loss.
37 April, 2009, Morgan Stanley reports $1,300,000,000 loss.

Freddy/Fanny didn't expect the GOP to throw us into a Great Recession. At the time, jobs were plentyful and poor people could afford a home. But not when you send their jobs overseas or hire illegals to do the jobs "Americans won't do"

And of course the Democrats take money from the Drug Companies, oil companies, bankers, etc. You righties want us to fight you with one hand tied behind our back.

OMG, you don't know Obama made a huge bargin with big Pharma aka known as drug companies, Obamavider got more money from BP than any other candidate, Goldman Sachs is just a bump on a log, right.

Obama biggest recipient of BP cash - Erika Lovley - POLITICO.com

While the BP oil geyser pumps millions of gallons of petroleum into the Gulf of Mexico, President Barack Obama and members of Congress may have to answer for the millions in campaign contributions they’ve taken from the oil and gas giant over the years.

Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways In White House Deal With Big Pharma
t says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

In exchange, the Pharmaceutical Researchers and Manufacturers Association (PhRMA) agreed to cut $80 billion in projected costs to taxpayers and senior citizens over ten years. Or, as the memo says: "Commitment of up to $80 billion, but not more than $80 billion."

Goldman Sachs was top Obama donor - CNN

According to Federal Election Commission figures compiled by the Center for Responsive Politics, Goldman Sachs' political action committee and individual contributors who listed the company as their employer donated $994,795 during 2007 and 2008 to Obama's presidential campaign, the second-highest contribution from a company PAC and company employees.

 

[Gremlin-USA]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

stupid fucking lie with no basis in fact.

Why do you resort to talking Filth ? Can you never have a intelligent debate without spouting filth, you really detract from any good point you may have made...

Want facts? open your eyes.... I really do not have time to post again of how well Obama has done for our County.

 

[rdean]

A brief history lesson:

1977: Jimmy Carter (D) signs the Community Reinvestment Act, guaranteeing home loans to low-income families.

1993: Bill Clinton (Democrat) signs NAFTA bill, killing US jobs

1994: Bill Clinton (Democrat) signs GATT, killing US jobs

1998: HUD publishes report damning FREDDIE MAC and FANNIE MAE for not lending home loans to unqualified Applicants.

1999: Bill Clinton (D) puts the CRA on steroids by pushing Fannie Mae & Freddie Mac (F&F) to increase the number of sub-prime loans (owning a home is now a 'right'.).

1999 (September): New York Times (of all rags) publishes an article, 'Fannie Mae Eases Credit To Aid Mortgage Lending', and warns of the coming crisis due to lax lending policies of the Clinton (D) administration.

1999: Bill Clinton (D) Signs the Gramm-Lech-Bliley Act repealing parts of the Glass-Stegeall act of 1933, which “made Banks too big to fail”

2000, Franklin D. Raines (Democrat) chairman of FANNIE MAE pledges to open lending to unqualified blacks and Mexicans.

2000 Bill Clinton (Democrat) signs U.S.-China Relations Act of 2000, killing US jobs

2001, Bush administration raised red flags over massive low-documentation loans by FNMA

2003: The White House calls Fannie and Freddie a "systemic risk". The Bush (R) administration pushes Congress to enact new regulations.

2003: Barney Frank (D) says F&F are "not in a crisis" and bashes Republicans for crying wolf and calls F&F "Financially Sound". Democrats block Republican-sponsored regulation legislation.

2003, Treasury Secretary John Snow (Republican) recommends to the House Financial Services Committee to impose controls on FANNIE MAE and FREDDIE MAC.

2003, less than a month later, Fannie Mae disclosed 1.2 billion dollars in "accounting error.

2003, Bush Administration increases warnings of toxic loans made by FANNIE MAE.

2004, Franklin Raines (Democrat) resigns from FANNIE MAE.

2005: Fed Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan voices warning over Fannie & Freddie accounting; "We are placing the total financial system of the future at a substantial risk"

2005, Alan Greenspan recommends limits on FANNIE MAE lending.

2005, Senator Chuck Schumer (Democrat) refutes placing limits on FANNIE

2005: Sen Charles Schumer (D) says "I think Fannie & Freddie, over the years, have done an incredibly good job and are an intrinsic part of making America the best-housed people in the world.” No mention of toxic loans or an unsustainable bubble. Flipping houses becomes a cottage industry

2005: Deputy Secretary of Treasury, Samuel Bodman (Republican) warns of risks caused by FANNIE MAE lending to unqualified lenders.

2006 Sen. John McCain (R) again calls for reform of the regulatory structure that governs Fannie & Freddie.

2006: Democrats again block reform legislation and regulation.

2007 Aug: Bush asks Congress to put through limits on FANNIE MAE lending.

2007 Dec: Bush warns Congress to hurry limits on FANNIE MAE lending.

2008: Housing market finally collapses: Democrats blame the Republicans.

Right in the center of all that, from 2001 to 2008, Republicans held both houses for years and did nothing. Now you can't say Democrats wouldn't let them. After all, Republicans passed the Bush Tax cut AND the drugs for votes bill through reconciliation costing the country trillions upon trillions. Since 2007, Republicans have used the filibuster a historic number of times, over 360. That's one every 5 days.

So tell me again how Democrats and Republicans are equally culpable.

 

[naturegirl]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

Obama adds 300K jobs a month. You say he bad.

Bush was losing 700K jobs a month, you said he good.

P.S. If it weren't for Boehner/Ryan in the House and McConnell in the Senate, Obama would be adding 600K jobs a month.

What you just said is the officlal lie I'm hearing the GOP repeat over and over and over. You are trying to win over people who aren't paying that close attention. Because everyone paying attention knows you are a fool and liar. God I wish we could have an Uncivil war.

Oh so the Dem Congress had nothing to do with all those job losses in 2008. It was all Bush's fault............blame, blame, blame. Yea, that fixes everything.

 

[Rat in the Hat]

The republican party is the party of the wealthy.

Their ideas have proven yet again to Fuck this country and our economy.


Now they want to power to do some more damage.

They are still waving arround the SAME FUCKING IDEAS that caused this mess.


WHY??????

Nope, both parties are the party of the wealthy.

Bill Gates Microsoft $54,000,000,000 Democrat
Warren Buffett Berkshire‐Hathaway $45,000,000,000 Democrat
Larry Ellison Oracle $27,000,000,000 Democrat
Christy Walton & Family Wal‐Mart $24,000,000,000 Democrat
Charles Koch Koch Industries $21,500,000,000 Republican
David Koch Koch Industries $21,500,000,000 Republican
Jim Walton Wal‐mart $20,100,000,000 Republican
Alice Walton Wal‐Mart $20,000,000,000 Republican
S. Robson Walton Wal‐Mart $19,700,000,000 Republican
Michael Bloomberg NYC Mayor $18,000,000,000 Democrat
Sergey Brin Google $15,000,000,000 Democrat
Larry Page Google $15,000,000,000 Democrat
Sheldon Adelson Casino Owner $14,700,000,000 Republican
George Soros Financier $14,200,000,000 Democrat
Michael Dell Dell Computer $14,000,000,000 Republican
Steve Ballmer Microsoft $13,100,000,000 Democrat
Paul Allen Microsoft $12,700,000,000 Democrat
Jeff Bezos Amazon $12,600,000,000 Democrat
Anne Cox Chambers Cox Communications $12,500,000,000 Democrat
John Paulson Paulson & Co. $12,400,000,000 Republican

Totals $407,000,000,000 8 Rep. / 12 Dem.

Let me just quote this part again.

8 Rep. / 12 Dem.

http://newamericangazette.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Campaign-Contributions-of-20-richest-people.pdf

 

[Gremlin-USA]

So far I've read nothing on this thread that makes me want to vote GOP.

It should not be about voting Democrat or Republican, it Should be about voting for someone who can handle the Job, Obama has shown he cannot.

Obama adds 300K jobs a month. You say he bad.

Bush was losing 700K jobs a month, you said he good.

P.S. If it weren't for Boehner/Ryan in the House and McConnell in the Senate, Obama would be adding 600K jobs a month.

What you just said is the officlal lie I'm hearing the GOP repeat over and over and over. You are trying to win over people who aren't paying that close attention. Because everyone paying attention knows you are a fool and liar. God I wish we could have an Uncivil war.

Obama adding 300k jobs a month?, while losing 400k per month or more? .... wow, and that is you argument......

 

[Truthmatters]

The day you give up the historically failed ideas you keep pushing is the day the republican party can overcome the devastating results of their historically failed ideas.

NOW GET IT!


Give up the ideas that caussed you to make this mess.


Otherwise you have it tattooed on your heads for life.


Get some ideas that are NOT historically proven to fail the American people.


Pretty easy huh?


Give up stupid ideas and think up some ideas that are not proven failures.

Your party wont and do you know why?


Because the money people who OWN the Republic party LOVES economic volitility.

Its great fro amassing huge piles of cash.

Well IF you already have huge piles of cash stockpiled to buy up cheap the crap EVERYONE else is losing.

 

[ERGO]

For Thinkers Only: All U.S. presidents have been guilty of big money influence

“The influence industry” is a term referring to the power of money in shaping public policy, landing high-profile government jobs and gaining leverage for special interests.

Big money has long dominated politics and elections, for that matter. Many donors and fundraisers are savvy investors who expect a return on their investments.

Financial contribution is often rewarded with direct access to political representatives, which in turn allows donors to effectively lobby for their causes. Money has shaped public policy, kept politicians in office and often times determined which political constituents are heard.

It should come as no surprise that President Barack Obama and his staff were recently criticized for their hiring practices. According to The Washington Post, more than half of Obama’s biggest fundraisers were given jobs in his administration. At least 24 of Obama’s bundlers took posts as foreign ambassadors, including positions in Finland, Australia, Portugal and Luxembourg. Nine more big donors were appointed to presidential boards and committees.

Although highly unethical, this type of practice has been going on for years.

Money makes the world go round, and the influence of money on U.S. politics is nothing new.

We can look all the way back to 1904 to a scandal involving corporate donors that tainted President Theodore Roosevelt’s campaign. The backlash led to the Tillman Act of 1907, the first major campaign-finance reform law, which prohibited monetary contribution to national political campaigns by corporations.

In the past century, most notably since the Watergate scandal of the 1970s, lawmakers have made countless attempts to change the influential involvement of money in U.S. politics, which is a prominent issue within both major parties.

President Obama and his administration have become a part of the political tradition in falling prey to big-money contributors looking for access. Obama is surely not the first to do so, nor will he be the last.

Under President Ronald Reagan’s administration, the secretary for the Department of Housing and Urban Development and 16 associates were convicted for rigging low-income housing bids to favor Republican contributors to Reagan’s campaign.

President Bill Clinton and his administration were criticized for a campaign fundraising operation during his first term that authorized the use of the White House as a tool to woo big donors. Clinton authorized numerous perks for top party contributors, including golf games, morning jogs with him and overnight stays in the Lincoln Bedroom leading to skepticism of his personal relationships with big donors.

President George W. Bush was criticized for his energy policies that positioned oil and gas companies ahead of other energy interests with billions of dollars in subsidies and tax cuts. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, both former oil executives, developed the country’s energy policy on the recommendations of oil moguls such as Exxon Mobil, Conoco, Shell Oil, BP America and Chevron.

Bush, who received more campaign donations from the oil and gas industry than any other politician, signed an energy bill in 2005 that gave $14.5 billion in tax breaks for oil, gas, nuclear power and coal companies.

On his way out of office, Bush made sure big donors and senior aides were appointed to lucrative positions that would be in place for up to six years after his term ended. According to The Washington Post, nearly half of Bush’s appointments were filled by donors who gave a total of nearly $1.9 million to Republicans from 2003 to 2008 , not a substantial number, but a symptom of the problem nonetheless.

It’s simple. Major political contributors exercise major political influence. It’s a sad state of affairs, but this trend will continue into the future until the necessary regulations are put in place.

In the end, whether a Democrat or Republican is in office, the buttons are pressed by the businessmen who pay to get them elected.

The Left-Right Paradigm... Repandercans vs. Pandercrats... Romney or Obama, It Doesn't Matter!

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oETDQNDrUwY]The Left-Right Paradigm. Romney or Obama: It Doesn't Matter. - YouTube[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wy632HTYpF8]Two Parties = Zero Difference - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Truthmatters]

Now tell me why the right trashes the wealthy people who DO want to see taxes raised ?