How long before Kurdistan becomes a "Problem"?

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    Others have pretty much addressed it already- the geopolitical reality basically murders the viability of any independent Kurdish state. If it were to secede from Iraq it would cause secessionism in the Kurdish areas of neighboring countries and nobody wants that. Unless it can find a super-powerful patron state to arm and fund it regardless of the possibility of outright war with Turkey/Iran/Whoever, it's pretty much hopeless.
     
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    guys,berzani said if iraq keeps on heading towards a dictatorship,they will hold a vote for independence in september this year (2012).
    not only that,but turkey said it would recognize an independent KRG/South kurdistan IF we and US helped turkey to get PKK out of afrin moutains. US agreed to it.
    Sunni`s and Shia`s don`t have the power to take on kurdistan if it decleares independece.
    Syria have its own problems.
    Iran can`t do anything,because an attack against S.K could trigger a intense gurilla warfare inside iran by kurds in iran. not only that: The slightest aggresive move by iran could trigger an US-israeli attack against it.
    economecly,kurdistan will survive. as it will produce 500,000 by the end of this year. the oil will go truth turkey,as they agreed to sell their products even if kurdistan is decleared.
     
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    GHook93, et al,

    Someday the Kurdish will establish a state. But not anytime soon. Certainly not before the Kurdistan Regional Government (KRG) has been satisfied over Kirkuk. And it is not likely that the governemnt in Erbil (KRG) will start a conflict over Turkish Territory. That woud risk everything.

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    There was once a Treaty; The Treaty of Sèvres (10 August 1920). This is were the original promise of a Kurdish homeland was made. Unfortunately it never came to pass. But for several decades, the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK) has been trying to mount a struggle to form such a state through armed terrorist activity.

    But President Talabani may not be illuminating the complete story. Rumor has it that the Erbil and Ankara have been exchanging ideas relative to an Independent Kurdistan. However, it would probably require the neutralization of the PKK operating on both sides of the border and some oil concessions.

    The cost may be a bit too high at the moment; and there are still ongoing agreements between Erbil and Baghdad that need resolved. However, if Baghdad become uncooperative, it is possible that Masoud Barzani, Leading the KRG, might call for independence.

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    to all you cleuless haters , Kurdistan has already been established just needs proclaiming ... i know you will all have a sleepless night tonight but it is what it is , kurds in South kurdistan has given Halabja gassing and Anfal campaign which cost 5000 and 182000 lives respectivly which of you have given so many lives for a statehood !!? turks , iranians ? iraqis or syrians maybe ! not . and not Syrian(West) kurdistan is getting its autonomy , when iran is attacked the East kurdistan will become free , so it will be turkey vs 3 kurdistans lol , good luck then .

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    here is a video to those wondering why kurds want a state on their ancestral lands occupied by "muslims" which by the way occupation of another nation's land is forbidden in the Quran lol , lesson # for blind turks .


    What if you were born a Kurd? - YouTube
     
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    kirkuki, et al,

    The little video is a nice piece of work. It plays to the sympathy and emotion of the common man. It is a well done clip.

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    The establishment of firm borders and recognized boundaries inside northern Iraq should be the first goal. That will be hard enough; politically and militarily.

    It is not reasonable to assume that, given the current Regional political climate of the adjacent states, the Kurdish Culture cannot expect much more. Certainly, no Syrian or Turkish territory should even be considered at this time. And the continued suggestion that any new Kurdish autonomy would include Syrian or Turkish Territory will not further international regional support for the cause.

    Additionally, the Kurdistan Regional Government, should be focused on the settlement of the Kirkuk lines. And that will be a hard sell, if not a fight.

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    Not disputing what you are saying, but do you have a link. I know the Kurdish PM has stated if the Iraqi stagnate governmenbt doesn't do anything then the will vote on independence, but I hadn't seen anything on a September timeframe. I also haven't see anything on Turkey saying they would recognize the country.
    You are right on Syria, they won't do anything with problems of their own. I think there is more secular fighting in Iraq then the media is letting onto and it should only get worse. Iran can't do anything, because they don't want to give reason for NATO to attack!
     
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    well i think each occupied part of kurdistan has to be freed in its own unique ways , yes South kurdistan is on the way for independence , western kurdistan is already enjoying autonomy and they will not back out on it after Assad , eastern kurdistan depends on the fall of the mullahs in Tehran , so it is only turkey in the end that will be forced to give an autonomy to 15-20 million kurds living in northern kurdistan .
     
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    kirkuki, et al,

    Asking for the Sun, and the Moon and the Stars, will get you nothing.

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    Get recognized first. Get a nation. Right now, there is no autonomous nation for the Kurds; not recognized by the body of nations (anyway). Baby sets!

    Don't count on shaving Syrian territory during a transition. The UN will take special care that Syria is not carved-up during such a sensitive and critical period.

    Turkey is not going to give the Kurds the time of day. In fact, it will fight against the establishment of any autonomous territory for the Kurds; even that within the Iraqi border.

    If the Kurdish people start a serious controversial issue, or risk the ignition of hostilities, it will lose its sympathetic support and setback the objective. The Kurds will have to be patient and accommodating. (Just one man's opinion.)

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