How is repealing the madate going to save money?

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    easy , take away subsidizes of the people who get insurance instead of paying the fine and doing away completely with Medicaid subsidies.

    Not really helping the working poor, but they have to get money from somewhere to lower the top bracket to 35% (as DT wants ) and give tax breaks to flow through businesses and corps , repeal the AMT and expand inheritance tax and HSA's.

    Sound so much like a tax cut for the lower and middle income.
     
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    What was the question? Mandate? Does mandate sound like choice to you? You are a very confused woman.
     
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    Ill make a deal with you.
    Lets get rid of all illegals. Cut off ALL incentive.
    Then we can subsidize the lazy, irresponsible and poor peoples.
    How about that?
     
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    But isn't the argument that the people affected will cost MORE in the long run ?
     
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    People on the ACA work, and you are under a misconception if you think the majority of those who get subsidies are lazy and irresponsible.
     
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    Yes you will see insurance cost even more, those uninsured will make ins go up, that is why there is a mandate for insurance.
     
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    I do not consent to having any Mandate. We don't need the government running our lives.
     
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    That is not running your life, if you have a car, you need ins, if you have a body you need ins. Same thing. Insure yourself. We have many laws, don't be a drain on society, insure yourself.
     
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    Insurance mandates clearly exceed the federal government's power under the Interstate Commerce Clause which is found in Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution. Therefore, the power to regulate commerce cannot compel commerce. The Commerce Clause was intended to give Congress the power to regulate foreign trade and to prevent States from imposing tariffs on interstate goods. It's rather simple. Additionally, Federalist Paper # 22 makes it clear that the intent behind the Clause was to prevent States from placing tolls or tariffs on goods as they pass through each State.

    Anyone who claims otherwise is ignoring the plain meaning of the Constitution because they do not want to limit federal power in any way. Or in many instances simply aren't qualified to discuss it. In this case, I imagine the former. You may as well throw the Tenth Amendment out the window. Which I suppose may likely also be the intention in some cases. Depending on the perceived usefulness of one's audience.

    For your reference... Article 1, Section 8 of the Constitution and Federalist # 22 by Hamilton, of all people.
     
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