How is government in way of Business??

[uscitizen]

A CATO article on ag subsidies:

The U.S. Department of Agriculture distributes between $10 billion and $30 billion in cash subsidies to farmers and owners of farmland each year.1 The particular amount depends on market prices for crops, the level of disaster payments, and other factors. More than 90 percent of agriculture subsidies go to farmers of five crops—wheat, corn, soybeans, rice, and cotton.2 More than 800,000 farmers and landowners receive subsidies, but the payments are heavily tilted toward the largest producers.3

In addition to routine cash subsidies, the USDA provides subsidized crop insurance, marketing support, and other services to farm businesses. The USDA also performs extensive agricultural research and collects statistical data for the industry. These indirect subsidies and services cost taxpayers about $5 billion each year, putting total farm support at between $15 billion and $35 billion annually.

Agricultural Subsidies | Downsizing the Federal Government

 

[thereisnospoon]

The rightys keep chanting from under their rocks, that somehow government is preventing the economy recovery, BECAUSE GOVERNMENT IS IN THE WAY!! I'ts all somehow governments fault that jobs are not being created with the Trillon dollars corporations are known to be hoarding. So lets eliminate a few myths;

1.That government creates jobs. No, cons know that is not true, and they tell us quite often that government does not create jobs.

2.That government is standing in the way of corporations. Yet they cannot cite anything, and when you put them on the spot, they take their Rushkie myths and dive back under their rocks.

So rightys, this is your chance to tell us Leftys, honestly, how is government in the way of business's creating jobs??

Government creates nothing. It only consumes.
Governemnt spending( espeically by simply printing money ) may create temporary relief, but the free market MUST always correct itself then recover. Something it has always done in spite of the good intentions( pave the way to hell) of politicians.
It is NOT the job of government to create jobs. The private sector does that.
Look at your history. Every time without fail government interference in commerce has resulted in negative results. And before you go chanting Cumbayah on FDR's New Deal, remeber the Great Depression did not end until well into WWII.
Yes government DOES interfere with business. It stymies business through burdensome "over" regulation and one of the highest corporate tax structures in the industrialized world. Government also creates ( IMO Deliberately) loopholes for business to use to send business overseas.
After the dot com bust in the 90's, Clinton listened to his advisors. They told hm to leave the economy alone. He did, and we had one of our most prosperous decades ever. Not because Clinton was a democrat. Because he realized the economy is cyclical. Left to correct itself, people learn to become prosperous again while the economy recovers because it MUST. It's that simple.
OOPS. I forgot one thing that governemnt does create. Dependency on government.
BTW the only rocks one can relate to conservativesare the rocks we threw at 60 democrat House members and 13 democrat Senators.....73 direct hits. LOL!!!!

 

[loosecannon]

Wow...I cannot believe what the Fabian socialist/ progressive propaganda system has done to this country.

You were responding to "Londoner".

 

[uscitizen]

Another CATO article on sports subsidies:

During the 20th century, more than $20 billion has been spent on major league ballparks, stadiums, and arenas. This includes a minimum of $14.7 billion in government subsidies that has gone to the four major league sports —Major League Baseball, the National Football League, the National Basketball Association, and the National Hockey League —including more than $5.2 billion just since 1989.

These numbers (all in 1997 dollars) exclude the billions of dollars in subsidies provided through the use of tax-free municipal bonds, interest paid on debt, lost property and other tax revenues not paid on facilities, taxpayer dollars placed at risk of being lost if the venture failed, direct government grants to teams, and the billions of dollars spent by taxpayers on minor league facilities.

Looking to the rest of 1999 and the next several years, considering what is already agreed to and what various teams and cities are seeking or proposing, another conservative estimate indicates that at least $13.5 billion more will be spent on new ballparks, stadiums, and arenas for major league teams. Taxpayers are expected to pay more than $9 billion of that amount (in nominal terms).

Sports Pork: The Costly Relationship between Major League Sports and Government

 

[shintao]

Oh no, in no way am I against all government regulations. That would be anarchist. Child labor laws, health, safety are necessary. I was specifically referring to state, city, fed regs that contradict each other. There are several industries in which this does apply. Some of these regs are good but a lot aren't and do hinder private business.

But some laws you accept, are opposed by other businesses that work those areas. They would say that government is interfering with them, as would OddBall & a few other con castaways here.

Maybe the problem isn't government interference, but corporations saying they want certain regulations in place, that might be the opposite of what you want.

Years back in Ca., capitalism was working so good that dairy farmers cut their own throats and were barely making their Mansion & Caddy pickup payments, while moms could afford dairy products for their kids, senors could get free gov. cheese. So gov. stepped in, and bought up tons of dairy cows, had the farmers kill them. Not a thought to send them to Africa or S. America. This brought the price of dairy products sky high again, and seniors went without gov. cheese a few years later when supplies were exhausted.

So that is how government helped fuck Americans. And I see this fucking more about consumers than I do any business whining about interference. Capitalism is supposed to be self-corrective, but alas, that is not true.

 

[Oddball]

Which one of you leftist dweebs has ever run an honest-to-goodness business?

So you have no opinion. And I was surely thinking I would get all my answers met on this thread. Some real logical sound business savy debate, but alas,....................it was not to be.

I'll score that a big "NO".

If you haven't run a business, then you have no idea what you're blabbering about, and will more than likely reject any and all examples of how gubmint gets in the way and makes operating business bothersome and expensive....In fact, you'd most likely claim those impediments to be of supposed benefit.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Which one of you leftist dweebs has ever run an honest-to-goodness business?

ZERO.. LIiberals don't believe in achievement, success and the entrepreneurial spirit. They all think businesses are crooked entities that are out to screw people and pay workers as little as possible.
Liberals would never be business owners because there is no union to repersent them.

 

[shintao]

BTW the only rocks one can relate to conservativesare the rocks we threw at 60 democrat House members and 13 democrat Senators.....73 direct hits. LOL!!!!

That was quite a slice, wasn't it? That is what happens when you stand to close, one rock will get you all. LOL!

 

[uscitizen]

Yet another CATO article on corporate welfare for Nuke plants.

I write, of course, about the $8.3 billion federal loan guarantee announced by President Obama this week for Southern Company to build two new nuclear power plants. The money will be used to guarantee the loans being made by the federal government (via the Federal Financing Bank) to partially cover the cost of Southern’s projected $14 billion nuclear construction project at their Vogtle plant near Waynesboro, Georgia. The loan guarantees were authorized by Congress in the 2005 Energy Policy Act and, we are told, are the first installment on a total package of $54 billion that the President would like to hand out to facilitate the construction of 7-10 new nuclear power plants (Congress, however, has only authorized $18.5 billion to this point).

Radioactive Corporate Welfare | Cato @ Liberty

 

[thereisnospoon]

see shint. They aren't ever going to get around to telling you how the government is in the way.

It's an article of faith.

They live in a fact free world. They believe Obama was born in kenya. They believe death panels ar in the healtchcare law. They believe 34 warships are accompanying the president to India. And on and on. It doesn't matter that you can absolutely prove these things aren't true. It doesn't. They believe them and that's all that matters.

Are you OK with the president taking some 3,000 people India at taxpayer expense?
Itis you poeple who live fact free. In fact soem of you are so far in the bag for Obama, he can do no wrong. Concerning Obama, you people live in a parallel universe.
Look, none of this matters. The electorate has rejected Obama's policies and has rejected liberalism. End of story.

 

[shintao]

Which one of you leftist dweebs has ever run an honest-to-goodness business?

ZERO.. LIiberals don't believe in achievement, success and the entrepreneurial spirit. They all think businesses are crooked entities that are out to screw people and pay workers as little as possible.
Liberals would never be business owners because there is no union to repersent them.

And you think government doesn't create jobs, and government needs to get out of the way somehow or way you don't have an answer for. Republicans will never be able to run a business in America, because there will always be unions bringing conditions to workers, to counter the sissy CEOs of corporations, or some other excuse why they are failures.

 

[uscitizen]

CATO again on ADM corporate welfare:

The Archer Daniels Midland Corporation (ADM) has been the most prominent recipient of corporate welfare in recent U.S. history. ADM and its chairman Dwayne Andreas have lavishly fertilized both political parties with millions of dollars in handouts and in return have reaped billion-dollar windfalls from taxpayers and consumers. Thanks to federal protection of the domestic sugar industry, ethanol subsidies, subsidized grain exports, and various other programs, ADM has cost the American economy billions of dollars since 1980 and has indirectly cost Americans tens of billions of dollars in higher prices and higher taxes over that same period. At least 43 percent of ADM's annual profits are from products heavily subsidized or protected by the American government. Moreover, every $1 of profits earned by ADM's corn sweetener operation costs consumers $10, and every $1 of profits earned by its ethanol operation costs taxpayers $30

Archer Daniels Midland: A Case Study In Corporate Welfare

 

[uscitizen]

Federal subsidies to private businesses cost taxpayers $87 billion per year. That is over 30 percent more than the Cato Institute's 1997 corporate welfare estimate of $65 billion. If corporate welfare were eliminated tomorrow, the federal government could provide taxpayers with an annual tax cut more than twice as large as the tax rebate checks mailed out in 2001.

President Bush's first proposed budget recommends about $12 billion in total corporate welfare cuts. Most notable are the proposed cuts for the Advanced Technology Program, the Export-Import Bank, the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, the Maritime Administration's guaranteed loan program, and the Small Business Administration. However, the Bush budget proposal also increases some of the largest corporate welfare programs, such as federal aid to oil companies through the fossil energy research and development program and research subsidies to aerospace companies as well as increases for the National Agricultural Statistics Service, the Foreign Agriculture Service, and the Conservation Reserve Program.

Spending bills working their way through the House and Senate Appropriations Committees have reversed or diluted Bush's proposed cuts. While the House kept intact the cuts for the Advanced Technology Program and the Overseas Private Investment Corporation, it diluted the cuts for the Small Business Administration and the Export-Import Bank. The Senate voted to increase the budgets for the Advanced Technology Program and federal assistance to energy companies.

The Corporate Welfare Budget: Bigger Than Ever

and this was under a republican president and congress.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Government does not create jobs

That will be news to all those people working for DoD and all those other agencies.

An entrepreneur can create a job when his revenues are greater than his expenditures and he is okay with x amount of profit.

But nobody, not even you hires a person to create a product that will not sell. There is no lack of capital. None. What exists in the real world is a lack of demand. But when has reality ever been allowed to intrude on your religion?

By hiring an employee, that entrepreneur is essentially saying that he is confident that production will increase along with revenues.

And yet over a trillion dollars sits in corporate hands and is not, i repeat not going to hire any workers. Why? The government is in the way? How? You will never get around to answering that, will you? All we will get is repetitions of the right wing prayers.

I knew this was coming. When government send s out a contract for bid, the money to pay that contract comes from either the taxpayers or it is deficit spending in which the money to pay the contract is simply printed further cheating the taxpaeyers by devaluing every dollar they earn.
It is a fact that most government contracts fulfilled by private compnaies are never on time and always cost far more than the original bid. This is not due to incompetence on the part of the firm, but due to the layers upon layers of red tape and overbearing regulations.
Government contracts create temporary jobs only. Once the contract ends, the workers are usually laid off unless the company signs a contract with Govco to do something else.
The private sector is not going to expand with the prospect of a huge tax increase and the expected heavy burden of new health insurance regulations standing in the way.
Yes that is government interference with commerce.
BTW business is not "sitting" on a Trilllion dollars worth of anything except that stupid Obamacare thing which the 112th Congress is going to revamp or even repeal.

 

[shintao]

Which one of you leftist dweebs has ever run an honest-to-goodness business?

So you have no opinion. And I was surely thinking I would get all my answers met on this thread. Some real logical sound business savy debate, but alas,....................it was not to be.

I'll score that a big "NO".

If you haven't run a business, then you have no idea what you're blabbering about, and will more than likely reject any and all examples of how gubmint gets in the way and makes operating business bothersome and expensive....In fact, you'd most likely claim those impediments to be of supposed benefit.

As you can tell Oddball, you are clueless. You can't give reasons government is in the way of businesses. Why not admit you are full of bullshit all the way up to your muff diving goggles. Admit you are just parroting something Rushkie said on the radio to appease dumb fucking rednecks in the trailer park. And if your ideas can be rejected, you must have a piss poor case to begin with.

 

[Oddball]

The clueless one here is you....You've not run a business and don't give a shit.

You sit around, let others take the risks, then come along with the attitude that the entrepreneur owes you a living.

I've rented losers like you more than you know.

 

[thereisnospoon]

And the govt does create jobs, just look at the job creation figures during the Bush Preisdency.

At least 25% of americans depend on the govt for income. either directly working for the govt or working for a business that is a govt supplier, etc.

No way should it be that way... Government is much too large. We could get rid of 50% of the federal employees in adminstrative and other back office postions, including 3/4ths of Queen Michelle's asswiping staff and no one in the private sector would notice a damned thing.
The next time there is a snowstorm in DC and they make the announcement that all non essential govt employees should stay home( free paid holiday) they should be informed that since they are not essential to the function of government they should begin looking for new jobs because they no longer work for the taxpayers.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Government does not create jobs but it does confiscate wealth. An entrepreneur can create a job when his revenues are greater than his expenditures and he is okay with x amount of profit. By hiring an employee, that entrepreneur is essentially saying that he is confident that production will increase along with revenues. Again, govt has nothing to do with this process other than imposing taxes and regulations. Govt is not there to help.

yeah right, and water walks on Jesus.

Business relies 100% on government to create the opportunity in which to organize and execute a business plan.

Try building your next business in deep space and see how it works out.

You have it all figured out, don't you? In your world government is the answer to everything, isn't it?
Got news for you, I know many ( including myself) who are owners of micro and small business who got NOTHING nor waned ANYTHING from government except to have govt stay out of the way of their enterprises.

 

[uscitizen]

The clueless one here is you....You've not run a business and don't give a shit.

You sit around, let others take the risks, then come along with the attitude that the entrepreneur owes you a living.

I've rented losers like you more than you know.

Just why would anyone rent a loser?

 

[uscitizen]

And the govt does create jobs, just look at the job creation figures during the Bush Preisdency.

At least 25% of americans depend on the govt for income. either directly working for the govt or working for a business that is a govt supplier, etc.

No way should it be that way... Government is much too large. We could get rid of 50% of the federal employees in adminstrative and other back office postions, including 3/4ths of Queen Michelle's asswiping staff and no one in the private sector would notice a damned thing.
The next time there is a snowstorm in DC and they make the announcement that all non essential govt employees should stay home( free paid holiday) they should be informed that since they are not essential to the function of government they should begin looking for new jobs because they no longer work for the taxpayers.

Ohh I agree with that in principle, but in reality we would create a decade long DEPRESSION with that action.
We have spent decades getting into this corner and I am not sure we have the balls to get out of it.