How is Barak Obama "far left"?

[theDoctorisIn]

I seem to remember that the OP was "How is Barak Obama far left"

Not "what has Barak Obama done that is far left".

*checks OP*


Yup.

What's your point? Would you rather just keep making commentary on what my OP was, which was incorrectly worded, or would you like to actually make an argument for something "far left" that Obama has done?

 

[RadiomanATL]

I seem to remember that the OP was "How is Barak Obama far left"

Not "what has Barak Obama done that is far left".

*checks OP*


Yup.

What's your point? Would you rather just keep making commentary on what my OP was, which was incorrectly worded, or would you like to actually make an argument for something "far left" that Obama has done?

That is all I was looking for. An admission that the goalposts have been moved since yer OP. Carry on.

 

[alan1]

I've heard Obama being called "far left", "the most liberal senator in the senate", or any number of combinations and permutations of that phrase.

And yet, all I've seen from him is Bill Clinton-like moderation. President Obama is a middle of the road, moderate Democrat.

If you disagree with me, tell me why?

The following are indicia of left-wing mentality:

1. Cuddles up to dictators and tyrants, while ignoring or casting aspersions at allies and democracies

Rhetorc, and bad rhetoric at that. Which dictators has he "cuddled up" to, and what do you mean by "cuddle up"?


Do you disagree that Brits more likely than not believe in British exceptionalism?


Rhetoric. There's no way for you to know what Obama "wants" to do. Once again, has he spread any wealth?


So, tell me again which critics of his he has "shut down"? What exactly has he done to "shut down" his critics?



Once again, just listing the talking points you heard on Glenn Beck don't actually make an argument.



"Big government" doesn't mean anything when throughout American history, the government has only ever gotten bigger. By that argument, Ronald Reagan would be a far-left politician. Also, which industries are now controlled by the government?

7. Belief in disarmament for our country rather than a robust defense.

And that's just a lie.

8. Chooses as Supreme Court nominee, one who promised that her background will color her views of justice.
At the hearings of Justice Roberts, we see an interesting interplay that illuminates the differences between liberals and conservatives:
ROBERTS: I had someone ask me in this process -- I don’t remember who it was, but somebody asked me, you know, “Are you going to be on the side of the little guy?”

And you obviously want to give an immediate answer, but, as you reflect on it, if the Constitution says that the little guy should win, the little guy’s going to win in court before me. But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well, then the big guy’s going to win, because my obligation is to the Constitution. That’s the oath.

Everyone's view of justice is different - as you said, "colored" by their backrounds. That would be why there are 12 Supreme Court justices, not 1 - so different views can be heard.


Now, you still have yet to produce any actual actions that he has taken that point to him being "far left". And while you are welcome to whatever opinion you'd like, rhetoric and opinion don't equal facts.

This oughtta be good. I predict PC will send thedoctorisin to the emergency room.

 

[Modbert]

This oughtta be good. I predict PC will send thedoctorisin to the emergency room.

If it's anything like earlier, PC needs to go to the emergency room since she is so out of touch with reality.

 

[alan1]

This oughtta be good. I predict PC will send thedoctorisin to the emergency room.

If it's anything like earlier, PC needs to go to the emergency room since she is so out of touch with reality.

Did you read this thread?
So far, thedoctorisin has been bitchslapped left and right. It would be sad if it wasn't so entertaining.

 

[Modbert]

Did you read this thread?
So far, thedoctorisin has been bitchslapped left and right. It would be sad if it wasn't so entertaining.

I've read and been participating in this thread and I have to disagree.

As for PC:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/general-discussion/93317-halloween-treats.html

 

[rdean]

How on the hell is it a redistribution of wealth from the middle class to the top 3%?

I am middle class, how are Republicans "at war" with me?

Just take a look at insurance companies. Look at Cigna as an example. The CEO gets a 5 year compensation package of nearly a quarter billion dollars. They make nothing. They sell nothing. They simply stand between you and your doctor. They get money by skimming insurance policies. That's is a redistribution of wealth.

CEO pay: Redefining sky-high - Aug. 30, 2005

In 2001, the ratio of CEO-to-worker pay hit a peak of 525-to-1 In 1990, for instance, CEOs made about 107 times more than the average worker, while in 1982, the average CEO made only 42 times more.
"The question is, 'Did they earn it?'"

Republicans say YES YES YES YES!!!!

I hoped this helped. This is only a portion of the Republican supported MASSIVE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from the Middle Class to the top 3%. Part of their ongoing "war on the Middle Class".

That still fails to address how letting somebody keep their own money is redistribution of wealth.
It just sounds like sniveling to me.

So, why didn't the average CEO make 525 times more than the average worker back in 1982? What changed? Think about it.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I've heard Obama being called "far left", "the most liberal senator in the senate", or any number of combinations and permutations of that phrase.

And yet, all I've seen from him is Bill Clinton-like moderation. President Obama is a middle of the road, moderate Democrat.

If you disagree with me, tell me why?

The following are indicia of left-wing mentality:

1. Cuddles up to dictators and tyrants, while ignoring or casting aspersions at allies and democracies

Rhetorc, and bad rhetoric at that. Which dictators has he "cuddled up" to, and what do you mean by "cuddle up"?


Do you disagree that Brits more likely than not believe in British exceptionalism?


Rhetoric. There's no way for you to know what Obama "wants" to do. Once again, has he spread any wealth?


So, tell me again which critics of his he has "shut down"? What exactly has he done to "shut down" his critics?



Once again, just listing the talking points you heard on Glenn Beck don't actually make an argument.



"Big government" doesn't mean anything when throughout American history, the government has only ever gotten bigger. By that argument, Ronald Reagan would be a far-left politician. Also, which industries are now controlled by the government?

7. Belief in disarmament for our country rather than a robust defense.

And that's just a lie.

8. Chooses as Supreme Court nominee, one who promised that her background will color her views of justice.
At the hearings of Justice Roberts, we see an interesting interplay that illuminates the differences between liberals and conservatives:
ROBERTS: I had someone ask me in this process -- I don’t remember who it was, but somebody asked me, you know, “Are you going to be on the side of the little guy?”

And you obviously want to give an immediate answer, but, as you reflect on it, if the Constitution says that the little guy should win, the little guy’s going to win in court before me. But if the Constitution says that the big guy should win, well, then the big guy’s going to win, because my obligation is to the Constitution. That’s the oath.

Everyone's view of justice is different - as you said, "colored" by their backrounds. That would be why there are 12 Supreme Court justices, not 1 - so different views can be heard.


Now, you still have yet to produce any actual actions that he has taken that point to him being "far left". And while you are welcome to whatever opinion you'd like, rhetoric and opinion don't equal facts.

You have lost this one- not just lost, shut out!

Your rebuttal has all of the philosophical content and intellectual impact of “oh, yeah?”

And you are bereft of either a cogent argument or a cerebrum.

Even if you are so limited in long term memory, or reading comprehension, you still are an embarrassment to those on your side of the argument. It appears that everyone else in the world is cognizant of facts that you claim- no doubt with rapidly blinking eyes- to be unaware of (forgive me for ending the sentence with a preposition).

Let's play along:
. I imagine that you feel that the American President bowing to the Saudi King is proper.

You must be a product of the public school system, but I'll try to bring you up to date on where American stands in the world:
Disavows the Exceptionalism of America. President Obama probably wouldn’t have enjoyed a beer, or a wine, with Alexis de Tocqueville, who, in his seminal work in 1835 referred to America as “exceptional.” Instead, he goes around the world apologizing for a multitude of wrongs and oversteps by his country, calls us arrogant, and finds common ground with tyrants and tin-pot dictators. He hires an attorney-general who calls Americans “cowards,” and glad hands leaders who claim the economic woes of the world are due to “white people.” Certainly, there are errors in our history, but where is our President trumpeting the greatness of a country that has accumulated more power than any other in history, and used it more judiciously?
By comparison, President Sarkozy, in Senegal in 2007, actually said this about his country’s colonialism: “They took, but I would like to say, with respect, that they also gave: they built bridges, roads, hospitals, chemists, schools. They made virgin soil bear fruit, they invested their concern, their labours and their knowledge. I want to say it here: The colonials were not all thieves. The colonials were not all exploiters.
There were bad men among them, but there were also among them men of goodwill, men who thought they were carrying out a civilising mission, men who thought they were doing the right thing.”

He made clear to Joe the Plumber what his plans were: to spread the wealth.

He has attempted to shut out Fox News, an effort echoing the Chavez approach to critics. as well as that of every dictatorship. The other networks have noted and refused to play along. Only you can't see it.

"Belief in disarmament for our country rather than a robust defense.[/quote]
And that's just a lie."
"U.N. unanimously backs Obama's nuclear disarmament goal" U.N. unanimously backs Obama's nuclear disarmament goal - Yahoo! News
I will consider accepting your abject apology- if it is accompanied by grovelling.

You can't be as uninformed, as poorly educated as you appear to be!!
"Everyone's view of justice is different -"
Did you ever notice that the statue 'justice' is blindfolded? Guess why.


So consider this the first step in a your long, long journey in search of an education.

I have tried to explain some of these things to you, but, alas, I cannot comprehend them for you.

 

[Modbert]

I wonder if Ronald Reagan is a far left loon since he was the first President to really call for Nuclear Disarming and actually took steps in doing so. Anyone remember his whole dream/vision of a world without Nuclear Weapons?

 

[alan1]

Just take a look at insurance companies. Look at Cigna as an example. The CEO gets a 5 year compensation package of nearly a quarter billion dollars. They make nothing. They sell nothing. They simply stand between you and your doctor. They get money by skimming insurance policies. That's is a redistribution of wealth.

CEO pay: Redefining sky-high - Aug. 30, 2005

In 2001, the ratio of CEO-to-worker pay hit a peak of 525-to-1 In 1990, for instance, CEOs made about 107 times more than the average worker, while in 1982, the average CEO made only 42 times more.
"The question is, 'Did they earn it?'"

Republicans say YES YES YES YES!!!!

I hoped this helped. This is only a portion of the Republican supported MASSIVE REDISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH from the Middle Class to the top 3%. Part of their ongoing "war on the Middle Class".

That still fails to address how letting somebody keep their own money is redistribution of wealth.
It just sounds like sniveling to me.

So, why didn't the average CEO make 525 times more than the average worker back in 1982? What changed? Think about it.

Since you missed it the first time, I'll repeat it,

That still fails to address how letting somebody keep their own money is redistribution of wealth.
It just sounds like sniveling to me.

 

[PoliticalChic]

I wonder if Ronald Reagan is a far left loon since he was the first President to really call for Nuclear Disarming and actually took steps in doing so. Anyone remember his whole dream/vision of a world without Nuclear Weapons?

Am I misreading your post, or are you suggesting that the Reagan approach was the same as the Obama 'Can't we all just get along' approach?

A full account of the Reagan years, and the thinking that went into his plans are here:
Reagan and Nuclear Disarmament

 

[garyd]

Doc how many times does Obama have to say that he prefers a single payer Ie government run health care system before you will believe him.

Basically the fact that Obama is one of the smarter Americna leftist as opposed to most of those that post here means that he know he can't get where he wants to go over night and not be fighting a congress full of Republicans for the last two years of his four year term so like all american leftist seeking high office he lies though his teeth, for public consumption, about who and what he is or he doesn't get that office.

 

[RonaldusMagnus]

I've heard Obama being called "far left", "the most liberal senator in the senate", or any number of combinations and permutations of that phrase.

And yet, all I've seen from him is Bill Clinton-like moderation. President Obama is a middle of the road, moderate Democrat.

If you disagree with me, tell me why?

Hussein O'rama was called the most liberal senator because he voted with the kook-fringe left more than any other senator...

 

[RonaldusMagnus]

Doc how many times does Obama have to say that he prefers a single payer Ie government run health care system before you will believe him.

Basically the fact that Obama is one of the smarter Americna leftist as opposed to most of those that post here means that he know he can't get where he wants to go over night and not be fighting a congress full of Republicans for the last two years of his four year term so like all american leftist seeking high office he lies though his teeth, for public consumption, about who and what he is or he doesn't get that office.

Hussein O'rama is an idiot. He is nothing w/o his little teleprompter...

 

[Bfgrn]

I do not understand how Pravda can see this and you cannot.

America Moving from Kingdom of Cash to Socialism Slowly but Surely - Pravda.Ru

Socialism = far far far left.

Still fighting the cold war Ollie? Did you go to the movies to see Reefer Madness tonight?

BTW, Russia is one of the most conservative countries in the world...THAT would make Stalinists far RIGHT. It's your provincialism and western indoctrination that confuses you; and too many Joe McCarthy speeches...

Here's an excerpt from one of the greatest speeches given by a US President...it's about a radical idea...PEACE...

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Truly, as it was written long ago: "The wicked flee when no man pursueth." Yet it is sad to read these Soviet statements--to realize the extent of the gulf between us. But it is also a warning--a warning to the American people not to fall into the same trap as the Soviets, not to see only a distorted and desperate view of the other side, not to see conflict as inevitable, accommodation as impossible, and communication as nothing more than an exchange of threats.

No government or social system is so evil that its people must be considered as lacking in virtue. As Americans, we find communism profoundly repugnant as a negation of personal freedom and dignity. But we can still hail the Russian people for their many achievements--in science and space, in economic and industrial growth, in culture and in acts of courage.

Among the many traits the peoples of our two countries have in common, none is stronger than our mutual abhorrence of war. Almost unique among the major world powers, we have never been at war with each other. And no nation in the history of battle ever suffered more than the Soviet Union suffered in the course of the Second World War. At least 20 million lost their lives. Countless millions of homes and farms were burned or sacked. A third of the nation's territory, including nearly two thirds of its industrial base, was turned into a wasteland--a loss equivalent to the devastation of this country east of Chicago.

Today, should total war ever break out again--no matter how--our two countries would become the primary targets. It is an ironic but accurate fact that the two strongest powers are the two in the most danger of devastation. All we have built, all we have worked for, would be destroyed in the first 24 hours. And even in the cold war, which brings burdens and dangers to so many nations, including this Nation's closest allies--our two countries bear the heaviest burdens. For we are both devoting massive sums of money to weapons that could be better devoted to combating ignorance, poverty, and disease. We are both caught up in a vicious and dangerous cycle in which suspicion on one side breeds suspicion on the other, and new weapons beget counterweapons.

In short, both the United States and its allies, and the Soviet Union and its allies, have a mutually deep interest in a just and genuine peace and in halting the arms race. Agreements to this end are in the interests of the Soviet Union as well as ours--and even the most hostile nations can be relied upon to accept and keep those treaty obligations, and only those treaty obligations, which are in their own interest.

So, let us not be blind to our differences--but let us also direct attention to our common interests and to the means by which those differences can be resolved. And if we cannot end now our differences, at least we can help make the world safe for diversity.

For, in the final analysis, our most basic common link is that we all inhabit this small planet. We all breathe the same air. We all cherish our children's future. And we are all mortal.

Commencement Address at American University

President John F. Kennedy
Washington, D.C.
June 10, 1963

 

[skookerasbil]

I've heard Obama being called "far left", "the most liberal senator in the senate", or any number of combinations and permutations of that phrase.

And yet, all I've seen from him is Bill Clinton-like moderation. President Obama is a middle of the road, moderate Democrat.

If you disagree with me, tell me why?

The definition of "Moderate Democrat" is "Far left". To put that in context, the definition of "Moderate Republican" is "Left".

Rhetoric. Give me an example of what "far left" is, and show how Obama is that.

fAiL.........Mountain Man pwned your ass back on post 4. Sorry Frank. Its all that needs to be said. This is not People.com, though I would suggest that there are some amatuers on this site who best go post there since they have a polical IQ of a small soap dish.

 

[mudwhistle]

Doc how many times does Obama have to say that he prefers a single payer Ie government run health care system before you will believe him.

Basically the fact that Obama is one of the smarter Americna leftist as opposed to most of those that post here means that he know he can't get where he wants to go over night and not be fighting a congress full of Republicans for the last two years of his four year term so like all american leftist seeking high office he lies though his teeth, for public consumption, about who and what he is or he doesn't get that office.

I wonder what makes you think he's all that smart.

He can't seem to put a speech together without a TelePrompTer.

He constantly assails our ears with Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's.

He has to read his speeches rather then ad-lib them because the collective is fearful he'll ether say something revealing or something stupid.

Bill Clinton was smart. Obama's intelligence is marginal.

 

[mudwhistle]

i've heard obama being called "far left", "the most liberal senator in the senate", or any number of combinations and permutations of that phrase.

And yet, all i've seen from him is bill clinton-like moderation. President obama is a middle of the road, moderate democrat.

If you disagree with me, tell me why?

hussein o'rama was called the most liberal senator because he voted with the kook-fringe left more than any other senator...

mmmm....mmmm....mmmmmm

 

[Bfgrn]

Doc how many times does Obama have to say that he prefers a single payer Ie government run health care system before you will believe him.

Basically the fact that Obama is one of the smarter Americna leftist as opposed to most of those that post here means that he know he can't get where he wants to go over night and not be fighting a congress full of Republicans for the last two years of his four year term so like all american leftist seeking high office he lies though his teeth, for public consumption, about who and what he is or he doesn't get that office.

I wonder what makes you think he's all that smart.

He can't seem to put a speech together without a TelePrompTer.

He constantly assails our ears with Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's.

He has to read his speeches rather then ad-lib them because the collective is fearful he'll ether say something revealing or something stupid.

Bill Clinton was smart. Obama's intelligence is marginal.

President Obama WRITES many of his speeches and has much more to do with authoring his words...that kind of shoots down your argument...

BTW, you cannot attribute words to Abraham Lincoln that he didn't say...

NOW that you know the truth, I'm sure you will delete your signature...IF you have integrity

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Alleged quotes from Abraham Lincoln about the poor, the weak, prosperity, workers, class hatred, and character.

The Truth:
These words are often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but according to the book They Never Said it: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, they are not from Lincoln.

The quotes were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister. He released a pamphlet titled Lincoln On Limitations, which did include a Lincoln quote, but also added 10 statements written by Boetcker himself.

Bits of Wisdom From Abraham Lincoln-Fiction!

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"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

 

[mudwhistle]

Doc how many times does Obama have to say that he prefers a single payer Ie government run health care system before you will believe him.

Basically the fact that Obama is one of the smarter Americna leftist as opposed to most of those that post here means that he know he can't get where he wants to go over night and not be fighting a congress full of Republicans for the last two years of his four year term so like all american leftist seeking high office he lies though his teeth, for public consumption, about who and what he is or he doesn't get that office.

I wonder what makes you think he's all that smart.

He can't seem to put a speech together without a TelePrompTer.

He constantly assails our ears with Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhh's.

He has to read his speeches rather then ad-lib them because the collective is fearful he'll ether say something revealing or something stupid.

Bill Clinton was smart. Obama's intelligence is marginal.

President Obama WRITES many of his speeches and has much more to do with authoring his words...that kind of shoots down your argument...

BTW, you cannot attribute words to Abraham Lincoln that he didn't say...

NOW that you know the truth, I'm sure you will delete your signature...IF you have integrity

-------------------------------------------------------------
Alleged quotes from Abraham Lincoln about the poor, the weak, prosperity, workers, class hatred, and character.

The Truth:
These words are often attributed to Abraham Lincoln, but according to the book They Never Said it: A Book of Fake Quotes, Misquotes, & Misleading Attributions, they are not from Lincoln.

The quotes were published in 1942 by William J. H. Boetcker, a Presbyterian minister. He released a pamphlet titled Lincoln On Limitations, which did include a Lincoln quote, but also added 10 statements written by Boetcker himself.

Bits of Wisdom From Abraham Lincoln-Fiction!

------------------------------------------------------------
"The legitimate object of Government is to do for a community of people whatever they need to have done but cannot do at all, or cannot so well do, for themselves in their separate and individual capacities. But in all that people can individually do as well for themselves, Government ought not to interfere."
President Abraham Lincoln

Obama doesn't have time to write his own speeches because the prick is always giving them.