How gullible is the U.S.

[patrickcaturday]

One of the greatest faults that the U.S. has now is that in some respects we are one of the most gullible nations on the Earth. We want to believe the best about other people in the world and that is one of the biggest problems we have with Israel.

The Israelis say they want peace and we believe them. The Israelis say they are open to a two state solution and even though all of the evidence says differently we believes them. With their settlements and their setting aside land for the future expansion of those settlements, it is now estimated that they have control of 50% of the land of the West Bank. With their destruction of Palestinian wells ( that have been there for centuries ) and their confiscation of water rights they now control 70 to 90% of the water in the west bank. This control of the water will effectively remove the Jordan Valley as an economic resource from the future Palestinian State which will reduce the GDP of that state by approximately 1,000,000,000 dollars. The Israeli only roads effectively subdivide the new state so that economic functions cannot exist. In other words the Israelis are doing their utmost to make a Palestinian State nonviable.

The thought of a One State Solution is dead on arrival as no one in their right mind thinks that the Israelis would give the franchise to the Palestinians as that would make the dream of a Jewish State impossible.

So what is the Zionists solution to the problem. Believe it or not it is pretty simple they want to ethnically cleanse the area of Palestinians ( who they consider to be less then them ). If we weren't so gullible we would have understood this a long time ago.

I will put up some Quotes to illustrate my point.

IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME BELIEVE THEM !!!


"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!"
-- Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.


"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.


WHY DO WE ACCEPT THE GARBAGE THAT ISRAEL EITHER WANTS OR WILL ACCEPT A TWO STATE SOLUTION

 

[uscitizen]

We are far more gullible about our own country.

 

[SFC Ollie]

Oh, another I hate Jews thread.

carry on........

 

[JStone]

John F. Kennedy, "Salute To Israel"

Both Israel and the United States acknowledge the supremacy of the moral law – both believe in personal as well as national liberty – and, perhaps most important, both will fight to the end to maintain that liberty

Yes; Israel, we salute you. We honor your progress and your determination and your spirit. But in the midst of our rejoicing we do not forget your peril. We know that no other nation in this world lives out its days in an atmosphere of such constant tension and fear. We know that no other nation in this world is surrounded on every side by such violent hate and prejudice

Today we celebrate her 8th birthday – but I say without hesitation that she will live to see an 80th birthday – and an eight hundredth. For peace is all Israel asks, no more – a peace that will “beat swords into plowshares and spears into pruning-hooks”; a peace that will enable the desert to “rejoice and blossom as the rose,” “when the wicked cease from troubling and the weary be at rest.” Then, and only then, will the world have witnessed the complete fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy “Tzee-Yon B’Meeshpat Teepadeh” – “Zion shall be redeemed through justice.” And all of us here, and there, and everywhere will then be able to say to each other with faith and with confidence, in our coming and in our going: “Shalom” – peace! Peace be with you, now and forever.
Remarks by Senator John F. Kennedy at Yankee Stadium on April 29, 1956 | Finding Camelot

Lebanese American Fouad Ajami, Professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Advanced International Studies and a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. He is co-chair of the Hoover Working Group on Islamism and the International Order

"The Palestinian suicide bomber of the Passover massacre did not descend from the sky; he walked straight out of the culture of incitement let loose on the land, a menace hovering over Israel, a great Palestinian and Arab refusal to let that country be, to cede it a place among the nations. He partook of the culture all around him—the glee [that] greets those brutal deeds of terror, the cult that rises around the martyrs and their families."
Israel Faces a Culture of Hatred and Violence - US News and World Report

Barack Obama...

The slaughter of innocent Israelis is not resistance -- it's injustice.

Let's be honest: Israel is surrounded by neighbors that have waged repeated wars against it. Israel's citizens have been killed by rockets fired at their houses and suicide bombs on their buses. Israel's children come of age knowing that throughout the region, other children are taught to hate them. Israel, a small country of less than eight million people, looks out at a world where leaders of much larger nations threaten to wipe it off of the map. These facts cannot be denied.
Remarks by President Obama in Address to the United Nations General Assembly | The White House

 

[docmauser1]

One of the greatest faults that the U.S. has now is that in some respects we are one of the most gullible nations on the Earth.

That's true, of course, confirmed by memorable words of Basam Tibbi "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other." Doooh.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Why won't schmucky judophobes mention that it was related to Ramle, because jews didn't want armed arab thugs in the rear? Besides that time arabs were called arabs and not palistanians. A spade's a spade, of course.

WHY DO WE ACCEPT THE GARBAGE THAT ISRAEL EITHER WANTS OR WILL ACCEPT A TWO STATE SOLUTION

Those who doesn't accept "garbage" are invited to accept palistanians. That's humanitarian.

 

[hjmick]

Jews!

 

[patrickcaturday]

One of the greatest faults that the U.S. has now is that in some respects we are one of the most gullible nations on the Earth.

That's true, of course, confirmed by memorable words of Basam Tibbi "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other." Doooh.

"We walked outside, Ben-Gurion accompanying us. Allon repeated his question, What is to be done with the Palestinian population?' Ben-Gurion waved his hand in a gesture which said 'Drive them out!" Yitzhak Rabin, leaked censored version of Rabin memoirs, published in the New York Times, 23 October 1979.

Why won't schmucky judophobes mention that it was related to Ramle, because jews didn't want armed arab thugs in the rear? Besides that time arabs were called arabs and not palistanians. A spade's a spade, of course.

WHY DO WE ACCEPT THE GARBAGE THAT ISRAEL EITHER WANTS OR WILL ACCEPT A TWO STATE SOLUTION

Those who doesn't accept "garbage" are invited to accept palistanians. That's humanitarian.

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

 

[JStone]

Arab-American Dr. Wafa Sultan, Human Rights Activist, Among "Time Magazine's 100 Heroes and Pioneers Whose Power, Talent Or Moral Example Is Transforming Our World"

Wafa Sultan - The 2006 TIME 100 - TIME.

Israel - The One And The Only Free Democratic Country In The Entire Middle East.

I believe that any nation that grants equal opportunity to every citizen, regardless of race, religion, political affiliation, or gender, thereby, establishes its moral legitimacy. According to this principle, Israel stands alone in the Middle East region, as a nation with moral legitimacy: it grants all citizens equal rights for men and women alike, freedom of religion, and freedom of speech and of the press. Not a single Arab or Muslim country in the surrounding region does the same. Nor do any of those Arab and Muslim nations allow their citizens personal freedom, or the right to maintain and express opposing points of view.

These essential qualities of life provide oxygen for the human soul; they are the kind of basic nourishment that is desperately missing in all of Israel's Muslim neighbors. Yet, the so-called humanitarian aid organizations at the United Nations direct all their energy to act against anything and everything Israel does. Let me ask: as every human being deserves to live in dignity, why has an enormous unbalanced portion of global aid gone mostly to Palestinians, while millions of underprivileged people all over the world suffer genuine, life-threatening deprivation? Here is why: The United Nations time and again focuses its power on the perpetual manufacturing of false anti-Israel accusations. Painting Palestinians as perennial underdogs provides the perfect cover for their subversive effort. Without doubt, this trend encourages hatred and violence against the Jewish people in Israel and everywhere else. And that is exactly its point.

A Palestinian women's organization reported that Muslim men perpetrate some 40 honor killings annually in the West Bank alone, not including the vast majority of honor killing and abuse of women that go unreported -- as Islamic society maintains secrecy in upholding the popular belief that those "cursed with a sin, [should] hide it."

According to recent face-to-face surveys by prominent international pollsters, more Palestinians in East Jerusalem would prefer to be citizens of Israel than citizens of a new Palestinian state -- and 40% would probably or definitely move to avoid Palestinian rule.

Those who love liberty and life will strengthen their ties and warm relations with Israel, and stand with her. Israel will continue to shine its light among all nations.

The United Nations and Human Rights Abuse | EuropeNews

 

[toomuchtime_]

That's true, of course, confirmed by memorable words of Basam Tibbi "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other." Doooh.Why won't schmucky judophobes mention that it was related to Ramle, because jews didn't want armed arab thugs in the rear? Besides that time arabs were called arabs and not palistanians. A spade's a spade, of course.Those who doesn't accept "garbage" are invited to accept palistanians. That's humanitarian.

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

No links, then your quotes have no credibility

 

[AVG-JOE]

That's true, of course, confirmed by memorable words of Basam Tibbi "The dialogue is not proceeding well because of the two facedness of most Muslim interlocutors on the one hand and the gullibility of well-meaning Western idealists on the other." Doooh.Why won't schmucky judophobes mention that it was related to Ramle, because jews didn't want armed arab thugs in the rear? Besides that time arabs were called arabs and not palistanians. A spade's a spade, of course.Those who doesn't accept "garbage" are invited to accept palistanians. That's humanitarian.

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

Please don't post large sections of text in red. Red is the color Moderators use for editing posts and this could lead to undue confusion.

 

[patrickcaturday]

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

No links, then your quotes have no credibility

Here is your link, I hope still trying to figure it out;
The Middle East Conflict: Zionist Quotes

 

[toomuchtime_]

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

No links, then your quotes have no credibility

Here is your link, I hope still trying to figure it out;
The Middle East Conflict: Zionist Quotes

Be serious, not from a propaganda site.

 

[JStone]

OK now that you have disected one quote how about you take a swing at the others !

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988


"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989.


"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."

-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998

No links, then your quotes have no credibility

Here is your link, I hope still trying to figure it out;
The Middle East Conflict: Zionist Quotes

John F. Kennedy: Zionists of America

When the first Zionist conference met in 1897, Palestine was a neglected wasteland

I first saw Palestine in 1939. There the neglect and ruin left by centuries of Ottoman [Muslim] misrule were slowly being transformed by miracles of [Jewish] labor and sacrifice. But Palestine was still a land of promise in 1939, rather than a land of fulfillment. I returned in 1951 to see the grandeur of Israel

I left with the conviction that the United Nations may have conferred on Israel the credentials of nationhood; but its own idealism and courage, its own sacrifice and generosity, had earned the credentials of immortality.

Israel was not created in order to disappear - Israel will endure and flourish. It is the child of hope and the home of the brave. It can neither be broken by adversity nor demoralized by success. It carries the shield of democracy and it honors the sword of freedom; and no area of the world has ever had an overabundance of democracy and freedom.

It is worth remembering, too, that Israel is a cause that stands beyond the ordinary changes and chances of American public life. In our pluralistic society, it has not been a Jewish cause - any more than Irish independence was solely the concern of Americans of Irish descent. The ideals of Zionism have, in the last half century, been repeatedly endorsed by Presidents and Members of Congress from both parties. Friendship for Israel is not a partisan matter. It is a national commitment.

The original Zionist philosophy has always maintained that the people of Israel would use their national genius not for selfish purposes but for the enrichment and glory of the entire Middle East. The earliest leaders of the Zionist movement spoke of a Jewish state which would have no military power and which would be content with victories of the spirit

The technical skills and genius of Israel have already brought their blessings to Burma and to Ethiopia. Still other nations in Asia and in Africa are eager to benefit from the special skills available in that bustling land
http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/ws/index.php?pid=74217#axzz1S92dTMKN

 

[Douger]

Arabic coffee is fantastic !!!
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[Douger]

I'm sorry. Many are brown. We are very close to Nicaragua.

 

[patrickcaturday]

No links, then your quotes have no credibility

Here is your link, I hope still trying to figure it out;
The Middle East Conflict: Zionist Quotes

Be serious, not from a propaganda site.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.



Quotations from Israel[/url

This may also be a propaganda site however reading the section " about us " and since the time and places match up I decided to go with it. But I see there is a lot of propaganda both pro and con, I will try to be more aware of it in the future.

 

[Douger]

Fucking socialists !
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[Douger]

I know. They aint murkin !!!
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[toomuchtime_]

Be serious, not from a propaganda site.

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.



Quotations from Israel[/url

This may also be a propaganda site however reading the section " about us " and since the time and places match up I decided to go with it. But I see there is a lot of propaganda both pro and con, I will try to be more aware of it in the future.

I can't bring up that url, but let me point out that at least your first quote is essentially dishonest.

As Israel prepared to lift a three-day blockade of the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir warned today that rioters would be crushed ''like grasshoppers.''

One Palestinian was killed today, bringing the toll to at least 112 in clashes with Israelis in the occupied territories since Dec. 9.

Villagers identified the victim as Suleiman Ahmed al-Jundi, 17 years old, and said he was shot by troops during clashes in Yatta, south of Hebron. Military personnel said he was killed when an army patrol was attacked.

The clandestine leadership of the Palestinian uprising called for a general strike and clashes with Israeli soldiers next week to protest a visit by Secretary of State George P. Shultz. Head-Smashing Threatened

But Mr. Shamir, standing atop an ancient West Bank castle, told reporters: ''Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and other fortresses we are establishing will have his head smashed against the boulders and walls.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/01/world/shamir-promises-to-crush-rioters.html

So what you presented as a single quote was really a combination of two quotes and Shamir never said Palestinians would have their heads crushed or be smashed against walls but that rioters and those who attacked Israeli positions would. Still very dramatic language but when you place it in its proper context in the middle of the first intifada when Palestinian Arabs were not only demonstrating and rioting but also attacking Israeli civilians whenever they could, it is more understandable that such angry language might be used.

 

[patrickcaturday]

"(The Palestinians) would be crushed like grasshoppers ... heads smashed against the boulders and walls."
-- Isreali Prime Minister (at the time) Yitzhak Shamir in a speech to Jewish settlers New York Times April 1, 1988

"Israel should have exploited the repression of the demonstrations in China, when world attention focused on that country, to carry out mass expulsions among the Arabs of the territories."
-- Benyamin Netanyahu, then Israeli Deputy Foreign Minister, former Prime Minister of Israel, speaking to students at Bar Ilan University, from the Israeli journal Hotam, November 24, 1989

"It is the duty of Israeli leaders to explain to public opinion, clearly and courageously, a certain number of facts that are forgotten with time. The first of these is that there is no Zionism, colonialization, or Jewish State without the eviction of the Arabs and the expropriation of their lands."
-- Ariel Sharon, Israeli Foreign Minister, addressing a meeting of militants from the extreme right-wing Tsomet Party, Agence France Presse, November 15, 1998.



Quotations from Israel[/url

This may also be a propaganda site however reading the section " about us " and since the time and places match up I decided to go with it. But I see there is a lot of propaganda both pro and con, I will try to be more aware of it in the future.

I can't bring up that url, but let me point out that at least your first quote is essentially dishonest.

As Israel prepared to lift a three-day blockade of the occupied West Bank and Gaza Strip, Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir warned today that rioters would be crushed ''like grasshoppers.''

One Palestinian was killed today, bringing the toll to at least 112 in clashes with Israelis in the occupied territories since Dec. 9.

Villagers identified the victim as Suleiman Ahmed al-Jundi, 17 years old, and said he was shot by troops during clashes in Yatta, south of Hebron. Military personnel said he was killed when an army patrol was attacked.

The clandestine leadership of the Palestinian uprising called for a general strike and clashes with Israeli soldiers next week to protest a visit by Secretary of State George P. Shultz. Head-Smashing Threatened

But Mr. Shamir, standing atop an ancient West Bank castle, told reporters: ''Anybody who wants to damage this fortress and other fortresses we are establishing will have his head smashed against the boulders and walls.''

http://www.nytimes.com/1988/04/01/world/shamir-promises-to-crush-rioters.html

So what you presented as a single quote was really a combination of two quotes and Shamir never said Palestinians would have their heads crushed or be smashed against walls but that rioters and those who attacked Israeli positions would. Still very dramatic language but when you place it in its proper context in the middle of the first intifada when Palestinian Arabs were not only demonstrating and rioting but also attacking Israeli civilians whenever they could, it is more understandable that such angry language might be used.

http://la.indymedia.org/news/2006/05/157212_comment.php

You are right, but it was not dishonest on my part. As I did on the other board I will apologise for any mistakes in my posts. I am sorry !!!