How goes the "middle class", so goes the "country"

[rdean]

Sorry Mitt, ignoring the poor because they have a "safety net" is short sighted.

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism". The rich are not our "overseers" nor should they be. Corporations should not run the country. The fact that we have laws and regulations are things that set us apart from other countries. Laws and regulations help us, not hold us down.

A country's strength has always depended on an educated, well informed and prosperous middle class. Our country is special because we vote our government into office. They can be voted out of office. The government is not some secret cabal of hidden over lords who secretly control our lives and want to put us into slavery.

In fact, if you look at the last few years, the really dangerous are those who want to legislate civil rights and force us to follow their religion. They are the people who work against an educated America. They are those who want to turn the country over to corporations or make it a kind of religious Taliban.

If the middle class votes their own self interest, who will win the election?

 

[stans]

If the middle class votes their own self interest, who will win the election?

That's the problem. The average american knows little to nothhing about economic cause and effect and isn't willing to expend the effort to learn. And there are so many issues, how does a neophyte separate the wheat from the chaff? Politicians take advantage by glibly lying about cause and effect so economically naive voters may very well unknowingly vote against their pocketbooks.

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh. The Obama administration decided that small businesses that gross more than $250K are "rich". Anybody who ever ran a small business knows that $250K is chump change. Too bad Barry never made a buck that wasn't extorted from taxpayers and his Treasury Secretary is an admitted tax cheat or they might view the real middle class as something more than a political tool or a bunch of sheep waiting to be fleeced.

 

[rdean]

You almost gotta laugh. The Obama administration decided that small businesses that gross more than $250K are "rich". Anybody who ever ran a small business knows that $250K is chump change. Too bad Barry never made a buck that wasn't extorted from taxpayers and his Treasury Secretary is an admitted tax cheat or they might view the real middle class as something more than a political tool or a bunch of sheep waiting to be fleeced.

So you have links, right? Serious ones. Not the "Heritage Foundation". I would love to read them. Please post them.

 

[rdean]

You almost gotta laugh. The Obama administration decided that small businesses that gross more than $250K are "rich". Anybody who ever ran a small business knows that $250K is chump change. Too bad Barry never made a buck that wasn't extorted from taxpayers and his Treasury Secretary is an admitted tax cheat or they might view the real middle class as something more than a political tool or a bunch of sheep waiting to be fleeced.

Still waiting for those links. Right wingers demand them of me. Even when I post dozens from all kinds of sources, they believe what they believe and evidence won't change that.

 

[Stephanie]

What "middle class"?

when almost 50% pay NO Federal income tax...the middle class is about DRAINED to death..

thank your Guberment..like they give a shit about the, middle class

 

[rdean]

What "middle class"?

when almost 50% pay NO Federal income tax...the middle class is about DRAINED to death..

thank your Guberment..like they give a shit about the, middle class

You thank them. It was Republicans who did it.

 

[Stephanie]

What "middle class"?

when almost 50% pay NO Federal income tax...the middle class is about DRAINED to death..

thank your Guberment..like they give a shit about the, middle class

You thank them. It was Republicans who did it.

lol..you are such a tool

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

the liberal idea of helping is to encourage unions to drive 30 million jobs offshore and to make our schools among the worst in the world. For good measure they tax corporations so it is cheaper to off-shore jobs, and they invite 20 million illegals in to take jobs. For extra good measure they muck with the health care system until it 2-3 times more costly for the middle class than in other countries.

 

[Oddball]

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

Making the middle class entirely dependent on gubmint isn't patriotic, it's communistic, tovarich.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Sorry Mitt, ignoring the poor because they have a "safety net" is short sighted.

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism". The rich are not our "overseers" nor should they be. Corporations should not run the country. The fact that we have laws and regulations are things that set us apart from other countries. Laws and regulations help us, not hold us down.

A country's strength has always depended on an educated, well informed and prosperous middle class. Our country is special because we vote our government into office. They can be voted out of office. The government is not some secret cabal of hidden over lords who secretly control our lives and want to put us into slavery.

In fact, if you look at the last few years, the really dangerous are those who want to legislate civil rights and force us to follow their religion. They are the people who work against an educated America. They are those who want to turn the country over to corporations or make it a kind of religious Taliban.

If the middle class votes their own self interest, who will win the election?

Obama's been President these "last few years" right Napoleon?

 

[rdean]

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

Making the middle class entirely dependent on gubmint isn't patriotic, it's communistic, tovarich.

So those are the only two choices? Screw the middle class or make them dependents?

 

[Oddball]

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

Making the middle class entirely dependent on gubmint isn't patriotic, it's communistic, tovarich.

So those are the only two choices? Screw the middle class or make them dependents?

The choice of making them dependent chattel of the state is clearly what you favor.

 

[Oldstyle]

You almost gotta laugh. The Obama administration decided that small businesses that gross more than $250K are "rich". Anybody who ever ran a small business knows that $250K is chump change. Too bad Barry never made a buck that wasn't extorted from taxpayers and his Treasury Secretary is an admitted tax cheat or they might view the real middle class as something more than a political tool or a bunch of sheep waiting to be fleeced.

So you have links, right? Serious ones. Not the "Heritage Foundation". I would love to read them. Please post them.

Links to what? About the peculiar way this Administration has in viewing money? If progressives are "spending it" then a Billion dollars is a minor amount but if a small business owner is "making it" then progressives consider two hundred thousand to be excessive and in need of further taxation. Do you REALLY not know this, Deanie? Duh?

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Deany told everybody in his ward that this time he's definitely kicking Wellington's ass at Waterloo.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

The choice of making them dependent chattel of the state is clearly what you favor.

Yes the liberal approach is always more welfare. That merely creates more personal failure and the need for even more welfare. The liberals are in the business of destroying families and souls!

Thye know it too which is why you cant find one who will defend what they do to people.

 

[Mr Natural]

helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

the liberal idea of helping is to encourage unions to drive 30 million jobs offshore and to make our schools among the worst in the world. For good measure they tax corporations so it is cheaper to off-shore jobs, and they invite 20 million illegals in to take jobs. For extra good measure they muck with the health care system until it 2-3 times more costly for the middle class than in other countries.

So somehow we'd be better off if we made less money?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

the liberal idea of helping is to encourage unions to drive 30 million jobs offshore and to make our schools among the worst in the world. For good measure they tax corporations so it is cheaper to off-shore jobs, and they invite 20 million illegals in to take jobs. For extra good measure they muck with the health care system until it 2-3 times more costly for the middle class than in other countries.

So somehow we'd be better off if we made less money?

what???????????

 

[ShackledNation]

Regardless of what Republicans say, helping the American Middle Class is NOT socialism. It's "patriotism".

Making the middle class entirely dependent on gubmint isn't patriotic, it's communistic, tovarich.

So those are the only two choices? Screw the middle class or make them dependents?

Yes. And the third choice is Ron Paul, who wants to make them prosperous.

 

[waltky]

Considering the American auto jobs that have been outsourced from here to there, is it any wonder...

In Mexico, auto industry fuels middle class
4 Apr.`12 — For 12 hours, Luis Moreno moved camshafts along the assembly line at the vast Nissan plant here, 30 seconds for each one. Now he was coming home in the dark, just as he’d left.

His five children were waiting inside. His wife. Her parents. “I want you to know something,” said Moreno, 31, outside the small house he bought last year with a mortgage financed by Nissan. “It might sound sentimental or corny. But this company has given me everything.” To be precise, Nissan gives Luis Moreno $130 a week. For that, he works four 12-hour shifts, one of 5,400 Nissan employees here making compact models such as the Versa and Sentra, performing a task so monotonous that it puts him in a trance. At a facility that is among the company’s most productive and profitable in the world, Moreno earns roughly one-seventh as much as a comparable worker at Nissan’s U.S. plants in Canton, Miss., and Smyrna, Tenn.

But here in central Mexico, where the global auto industry is booming, a job at Nissan is a path to the middle class. To work for the company in Aguascalientes today is akin to what it might have been like working in the 1950s for General Motors in Flint, Mich., or for Ford in Dearborn. Only it is not the same. Mexico’s export-oriented auto industry has a wide, pernicious gap between the high productivity of its workers and their low pay, critics say. Even with the lower cost of living here, the wage gap represents a hindrance to more robust middle-class growth. At General Motors plants in Mexico, the average worker earns less than $4 an hour in pay and benefits — compared with more than $50 in the United States, according to company figures.

It is a wage disparity with sobering implications for the long-term prospects of the U.S. auto recovery. After World War II, the auto industry lifted millions of Americans into the ranks of the middle class, as blue-collar workers bought cars, made cars, and bought more cars, spinning forward a virtuous cycle of growth and development that spread prosperity across the Midwest and beyond. Mexico’s auto industry today is just as essential to the emergence of the country’s middle class. The latest demographic research shows that Mexico is crossing a critical threshold, as its middle class — about 53 percent of the population — becomes a majority.

Auto workers are churning out record numbers of vehicles in Mexican cities such as Puebla (Volkswagen), Silao (General Motors) and Toluca (Chrysler), with production up 24 percent in February over the same month last year. Several of these facilities are just as productive and technologically advanced, if not more so, as plants in the United States, Europe or Japan, where workers make far higher wages.

Mexico’s cost of living is significantly lower than that of the United States, as basics such as food, housing, health care and transportation are often government-subsidized and can cost half as much or less. But manufactured goods, clothing and household appliances can be just as expensive here as they are in American stores, or even more so because of high sales taxes and other levies. To a Mexican worker making assembly line wages that are 10 to 20 percent of U.S. pay rates, the lower cost of living is not nearly enough to compensate for the wage gap.

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