How giss manufactures warming (lots of it) in the antarctic

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    a guest post over at Tallblokes Talkshop- Roger Andrews: How NASA GISS Manufactures Warming in the Antarctic « Tallbloke's Talkshop

    here is how GISS manufactures a warming trend in Antarctica

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    how come climate science has a different definition of science?
     
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    Antarctic warming faster then first thought...
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    West Antarctic Ice Sheet warming twice earlier estimate
    23 December 2012 - The data from Byrd Station shows rapid warming on the west Antarctic ice sheet
     
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    This doesn't sound like the climate of anyone area but of three over different time periods. If Waltky post is based on that then it's bull shit.
     
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    Antarctic ice is melting faster...
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    Scientists find Antarctic ice is melting faster
    15 Apr.`13 - The summer ice melt in parts of Antarctica is at its highest level in 1,000 years, Australian and British researchers reported on Monday, adding new evidence of the impact of global warming on sensitive Antarctic glaciers and ice shelves.
     
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    Warming oceans accelerating Antarctic ice melt...
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    Warming Oceans Cause Bulk of Antarctic Ice Loss
    June 14, 2013 - Most of the loss Antarctic ice is not caused by icebergs falling apart into the sea, but instead by warmer ocean waters underneath the massive ice shelves causing melting, according to a new study by NASA and university researchers.
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    Warm Ocean Accelerating Antarctic Ice Loss
    June 14, 2013 > Summer ice loss in parts of Antarctica is at its highest in 1,000 years, according to a new study which finds that the melt is coming largely from underneath ice shelves, the floating edges of the ice sheet that extend over the ocean.

     
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    There is very little actual data on Antarctica. These stories are always based on someone's new 'model', which disagree with the last model. Buried in the stories are factoids which probably explain what is going on, like the ocean current which has increasingly driven warmer waters against the western peninsula since at least the '50s. Then they add in worst case scenarios, and only later describe how unlikely and long term they are (for plausible deniability).

    What does 'granny' say about people and agencies that have a different story everytime they print something? Unpaid skeptics find large discrepancies and errors every time they look into these new models. When is peer review going to start doing its job in climate science?
     
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    I love it when the warmists get all flumoxed... Notice how instead of scrapping the BS "theory" they will do all sorts of backflips trying to salvage it? they come up with the most ludicrous scemes to support the fraud but in the end the planet is getting cooler and they have lost.





    It’s a global warming paradox.


    (From National Geographic / by Christine Dell’Amore) – As air and sea temperatures rise, Arctic sea ice is rapidly and uniformly dwindling. In 2012, Arctic sea ice declined so much that the loss “utterly” obliterated the previous record, set in 2007, according to the U.S. National Snow and Ice Data Center.

    As of 2012, the area of Arctic sea ice around the North Pole had shrunk to 1.58 million square miles (4.1 million square kilometers)—the smallest measurement since 1979, when satellite observations began.



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    Help me out here IanC -- maybe I'm not completely operational today or sumting..

    If the 1900-1940 data is from a WARMER station -- How does the graph happen? As the station location moves closer to 90S -- the anomaly should be COLDER readings over the sparse region..

    Is it that they Sauteed these outside stations with an adjustment for location for all those years? And now with more stations, that initial homogenizing is wrong??

    Man -- It's hard to tell what's cooking today at the GISS kitchen aint it??
     
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    I haven't gone back to look at the original article but I think your answer lies on the y axis. Anomalies rather than temps.

    Hansen was the leader in infilling empty cells with adjacent cells, sometimes thousands of kms away. Polar regions are often measured at airstrips or encampment that are heavily affected by UHI. This UHI is then smeared over vast regions. Of course it could also be the homogenization process that preferential accepts warming trends while chopping out cooling trends as 'unexpected'.

    Anyway you look at it, the adjustments always increase the warming for the aggregate global temp.
     

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